Wigfrid song OP

[Subzero_0559]

I think the new song warrior’s reprise should be nerfed because it’s too powerful as it is now reviving all nearby teammates with a cool-down it means your team in multiplayer cannot lose pretty much. Thoughts?

[KvltBear]

I mean...yeah. It's insane. She's already powerful on her own but I think this song is too much. At least make it one use.

[HowlVoid]

In other mmos it's limited to one player per revive and not everyone within range... 

In ff14 it's one player every 60 seconds (while swift cast is active) or risk standing in place for a long time (plus a hefty mana cost).

[Mike23Ua]

I mean.. it’s good that other characters are finally starting to catch up to Wanda and all her wacky Overpowered shenanigans..

But the Wendy main in me makes me upset that out of all people in the entire game… Wigfrid is the one with revival powers.

Wendy actually studied Spiritual Rituals and stuff like that in an Attempt to bring Abigail back.

yet Wigfrid gets to call upon the power of the gods to bring everyone back?

All I can say about that is Klei better have some GOOD Ideas for Wendy later. 

[Keigo]

Its not even close to op in fact is one of the skill points to not take, if the team wants to revive bring an amulet wich is cheap. 

[Dragonboooorn]

Im more concerned from lore POV. Like, a lady who is insane Valkyre cosplayer but also is a performer artist in the past can... Revive the dead with her voice? uhhh what kind of magic is this??? Maxwell and Wanda must be jealous

[NoodlemanNed]

multiplayer fights in this game are already so easy that having a tool like this isnt even useful in most cases.

ive played in groups quite a lot and supplying the team with battle helms is enough to keep everyone alive through the whole fight. sure people still die at random points, but as other people already brought up, revives in this game are very cheap to begin with. team wipes are also rare enough to the point where a mass revive rarely helps over a single use revive.

due to the massive inspiration requirement, this song is also pretty much unusable outside of boss fights

[Wonz]

 

5 hours ago, Subzero_0559 said:

I think the new song warrior’s reprise should be nerfed because it’s too powerful as it is now reviving all nearby teammates with a cool-down it means your team in multiplayer cannot lose pretty much. Thoughts?

What stopped you before from crafting a lot of telltale hearts?  

I just drop few before boss fight and if someone dies anyone can pick it up to revive while others get aggro.  

This song is going to be underused because of season lock.

[_zwb]

48 minutes ago, Dragonboooorn said:

Wanda must be jealous

Nah, Wanda is better at reviving people, she can send them back and die again, casually trolling

[Mysterious box]

56 minutes ago, Keigo said:

Its not even close to op in fact is one of the skill points to not take, if the team wants to revive bring an amulet wich is cheap. 

No no no we let this fly with Wanda and that was fine because it had various downsides attached like a cooldown and sending the player back to the point of their death but reviving a full server of players for just 50 inspiration is absolutely bonkers.

I say give it a 8 minute cooldown and make it cost 50 inspiration if she revives 1 person and make it a 16 minute cooldown and make it cost her full bar if she revive 2+ sort of a overclocking cost.

[landromat]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

I mean.. it’s good that other characters are finally starting to catch up to Wanda and all her wacky Overpowered shenanigans..

But the Wendy main in me makes me upset that out of all people in the entire game… Wigfrid is the one with revival powers.

Wendy actually studied Spiritual Rituals and stuff like that in an Attempt to bring Abigail back.

yet Wigfrid gets to call upon the power of the gods to bring everyone back?

All I can say about that is Klei better have some GOOD Ideas for Wendy later. 

Imagine she Just resurrects abigail and leaves.

Wendy is not the character Who supposed to beat death imo. She supposed to live with it

[Trips]

6 hours ago, Subzero_0559 said:

I think the new song warrior’s reprise should be nerfed because it’s too powerful as it is now reviving all nearby teammates with a cool-down it means your team in multiplayer cannot lose pretty much. Thoughts?

doesn't change much

 

1 hour ago, NoodlemanNed said:

multiplayer fights in this game are already so easy that having a tool like this isnt even useful in most cases.

ive played in groups quite a lot and supplying the team with battle helms is enough to keep everyone alive through the whole fight. sure people still die at random points, but as other people already brought up, revives in this game are very cheap to begin with. team wipes are also rare enough to the point where a mass revive rarely helps over a single use revive.

due to the massive inspiration requirement, this song is also pretty much unusable outside of boss fights

due to exactly this ^

between telltale hearts, life-giving amulets, Wanda and reviving at the Postern on endless, it really isn't that hard to revive people to begin with..

and like what noodle said, people are prob just gonna revive whoever dies individually before wigfrid gets the opportunity to rez multiple at once

[lenship2]

and i thought the second chance watch was the most overpowered aspect of wanda...

[Mysterious box]

Just now, lenship2 said:

and i thought the second chance watch was the most overpowered aspect of wanda...

Apparently mass revival is ok because combat is easy. See you next time when we're justifying adding fully functional androids who gather any and all resources from anywhere in the map while your at base because resource collection is easy. 

[NoodlemanNed]

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Apparently mass revival is ok because combat is easy.

mass revival is ok because theres hardly ever a situaton to even use it in. everyone in this thread also likes to conveniently ignore all the limitations on the song which only make it usable in the situation where people tend to die the least.

[Mysterious box]

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

mass revival is ok because combat is easy.

 

1 minute ago, NoodlemanNed said:

mass revival is ok because theres hardly ever a situaton to even use it in. everyone in this thread also likes to conveniently ignore all the limitations on the song which only make it usable in the situation where people tend to die the least.

I mean that doesn't at all contradict what I said though?

That being said good to know in the rare case a group might fail Wigfrid can completely negate it.

[NoodlemanNed]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

I mean that doesn't at all contradict what I said though?

well what you said about resource gathering isnt exactly a great comparison because despite being easy, you still have to do the task. If nobody is dying then the song isnt doing any task at all, and that situation is extremely common based on the team fights i have participated in.

another thing i think is important is that groups tend to only fail fights when they go in unprepared, this song simply provides a more simple way to be prepared. any team of players overstocking on armor and healing will be able to steamroll whatever challenge they please.

[Subzero_0559]

Boss fights are when people are more likely to die to be honest than starving or freezing or smthing along those lines. Furthermore just because you or I or some other people who have hundreds or thousands of hrs in dst find the game’s boss fights easy doesn’t mean that something that makes the game easy for everyone isn’t OP it’s like if they added tactical nukes to Winona saying it’s not OP because boss fights are easy anyway. It trivialises the game whether you found it easy now or not.
 

Another argument I’ve see is that it’s like telltale hearts or life giving amulets but it’s not for a few reasons. Firstly telltale hearts are more of an inconvenience than this song because it revives 1 player, costs your own hp and leaves the revived player with lower max hp. The life giving amulet revives only 1 player and must be crafted again to revive another player. This song can be crafted once and used forever. Let’s say u fight every boss 10 times the song is a 1 time craft if across every boss fight 10 times (about 150 battles) there are 100 deaths that’s 100 life giving amulets, not cheap. The song on the other hand is 1 song you would’ve had the value of 100 red gems with this 1 song.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, NoodlemanNed said:

well what you said about resource gathering isnt exactly a great comparison because despite being easy, you still have to do the task. If nobody is dying then the song isnt doing any task at all, and that situation is extremely common based on the team fights i have participated in.

How isn't it? You still have to do the task of fighting in order to die in mass and even then normally you would have to seek out the resources to revive no?

2 minutes ago, NoodlemanNed said:

another thing i think is important is that groups tend to only fail fights when they go in unprepared, this song simply provides a more simple way to be prepared. any team of players overstocking on armor and healing will be able to steamroll whatever challenge they please.

Again this doesn't make what I said any less true.

[NoodlemanNed]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

How isn't it? You still have to do the task of fighting in order to die in mass and even then normally you would have to seek out the resources to revive no?

no, i would not need to seek out revival materials if my teammates are not dying in the first place

[Subzero_0559]

22 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

and i thought the second chance watch was the most overpowered aspect of wanda...

Ye this takes it to another level

Just now, NoodlemanNed said:

no, i would not need to seek out revival materials if my teammates are not dying in the first place

You being experienced and not needing the song doesn’t make it any less OP

2 hours ago, Wonz said:

 

What stopped you before from crafting a lot of telltale hearts?  

I just drop few before boss fight and if someone dies anyone can pick it up to revive while others get aggro.  

This song is going to be underused because of season lock.

Different because every time a player dies someone has to go and revive them one by 1 and it leaves them with lower max hp and the cost of crafting them adds up over time whereas the song is a 1 time craft it should atleast be consumed upon use.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, NoodlemanNed said:

no, i would not need to seek out revival materials if my teammates are not dying in the first place

I don't get the point of this statement? Your not dying therefore you should get a mass revive skill?

[Subzero_0559]

Ye it’s a weird argument from him it’s like saying that we should buff dark sword dmg by 3 times because he can beat all the bosses with hambats anyway

[NoodlemanNed]

im not saying klei should add this item, and i thought i already implied that i wouldnt use this item unironically anyways. i also never suggested a dark sword buff.

my point is that if this thing were to be added, it wouldnt be very strong for the reasons i already mentioned. it could still be a fun item for doing gimmick fights later on in the game when you have the down feathers required to craft dozens of revive songs. However from a balance perspective this thing is exclusively useful as a crutch for less experienced players struggling against bosses (which is a good thing imo). theres also the fact that the wigfrid player themself cant be struggling against said boss because you still need to keep yourself alive to use the thing in the first place.

[GimplyGoose]

On the surface the skill looks very strong, but I encourage you to try it out yourself. It is not nearly as convenient as other revival methods. Reviving someone in a situation where Wigfrid has enough inspiration will likely end up with that character just dying again.