Willow Friendly fire

[Ruperstiltskin]

Please you really need to change this Klei.

I was playing willow with a friend and both the lunar flames and the regular flame spell (the one that cost 1 ember) could damage my friend. In the first case it made him extremely cold and started taking freezing damage, while the simple flame spell made him also burn (it did like 30 damage for 1each ember)???? I don't really think you should give this power to the character that people view as a griefer when you can litteratly kill anyone on server.

[Yuuko]

I get why the 1 ember spell would deal fire damage - because it just puts a fire down.  Fire is not safe, only Willow does not take burn damage.

idk about the others...  I haven't played in groups with beta yet.

[Swiyss]

30 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

Please you really need to change this Klei.

I was playing willow with a friend and both the lunar flames and the regular flame spell (the one that cost 1 ember) could damage my friend. In the first case it made him extremely cold and started taking freezing damage, while the simple flame spell made him also burn (it did like 30 damage for 1each ember)???? I don't really think you should give this power to the character that people view as a griefer when you can litteratly kill anyone on server.

I agree with the freezing effect. It should be removed in my opinion. but the regular flame you mentioned is just a gameplay thing.

[Ruperstiltskin]

17 minutes ago, xDpromonick9 said:

49 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

 

I agree with the freezing effect. It should be removed in my opinion. but the regular flame you mentioned is just a gameplay thing.

I don't really think you understand, you can instantly make people on fire, for 1 ember, its not like they can move after it, they are already burning for a long time and getting damaged cause they are on fire, the fire is on them, following them till their destined perish

[chirsg]

how about adding a soft revenge mechanic? If willow hurts your, allow characters to briefly enable pvp to give the willow a good smack. The world would be a better place with a bit of moderate revenge. 

 

[Swiyss]

2 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

I don't really think you understand, you can instantly make people on fire, for 1 ember, its not like they can move after it, they are already burning for a long time and getting damaged cause they are on fire, the fire is on them, following them till their destined perish

well I guess that should be changed too if it's exactly like you mentioned it.

[MondayNight]

1 hour ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

.. both the lunar flames and the regular flame spell (the one that cost 1 ember) could damage my friend.

...this power to the character that people view as a griefer when you can litteratly kill anyone on server.

Very good griefing mechanic. Now the Willow trolls can also kill players, not solely rush-burn camps via Map Reveal mods.

Finally and hands down, Willow is best griefing character, no further debate.

[Mysterious box]

8 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

Very good griefing mechanic. Now the Willow trolls can also kill players, not solely rush-burn camps via Map Reveal mods.

Finally and hands down, Willow is best griefing character, no further debate.

Tbf Willow has a really hard time burning alot of things down now since she'll have to light them one at a time since her fires no longer spread.

So now Noone can blame Willow for base burning.

[BalkanCockroach]

Waiting for the, Kill all players plus grief base speedrun any%

[Ruperstiltskin]

6 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Waiting for the, Kill all players plus grief base speedrun any%

Video when???

[BalkanCockroach]

1 minute ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

Video when???

If i were to post such video that might be against the guidlines cause it promotes vandalism/arson ingame.

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

I don't really think you understand, you can instantly make people on fire, for 1 ember, its not like they can move after it, they are already burning for a long time and getting damaged cause they are on fire, the fire is on them, following them till their destined perish

I can’t play in betas, so I have no idea what your talking about, but not only does this sound absolutely hilarious… but I would imagine it serves some sort of gameplay purpose as well right?

Unless this fire is directly on your face.. then it follows you like a lightbulb bug right? (Probably gives off a tiny bit of light too)

I would Imagine that the reason WHY Willows can cast them at other players probably has something to do with helping them?

Such as: Providing torchlight for night time, or Warmth during cold Winters..

I’d imagine that instead of patching& removing this interaction, that the other players can just smack the floating fireball to make it extinguish?

Similar to how if you DONT want Lightbugs to follow you anymore, just smack it dead.

Im a Wendy main, so I show no sympathies when another player smacks Abigail and gets what’s coming to them.

[MondayNight]

10 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Tbf Willow has a really hard time burning alot of things down now since she'll have to light them one at a time since her fires no longer spread.

So now Noone can blame Willow for base burning.

You underestimate griefers' determination. Also now the objective is to herd players together and roast them alive. Pubs will be so lively and mostly.. fiery after update goes live. "Fiery but mostly Peaceful!"

[BalkanCockroach]

2 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

You underestimate griefers' determination. Also now the objective is to herd players together and roast them alive. Pubs will be so lively and mostly.. fiery after update goes live. "Fiery but mostly Peaceful!"

People want this removed. But i believe it has a tremendously important purpose: killing the Wes that's sitting at base eating food and making baloons.

[Ruperstiltskin]

9 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I can’t play in betas, so I have no idea what your talking about, but not only does this sound absolutely hilarious… but I would imagine it serves some sort of gameplay purpose as well right?

 

Basicly, you can cast a spell that makes a tiny flame in a tiny circle that burns anything inside, that includes mobs and enemies, it works basicly as if you torch a structure o punch a mob with a torch, but if you cast it on top of another player, they start burning as well, and with the fire time extension skill they are basicly burning for like 20 seconds straight

[BalkanCockroach]

In this video i tried to beat don't starve together while 3 Willow mains hunted me down. Let's see i'm able to win.

Ngl this gave me an idea for a pvp server. 1 wolfgang speedrunner vs 3 Wes. The wes can spawn at florid postern with no cost, not even booster shot.

[Antynomity]

Keep it in the game, make so friendly fire is lower than damage to enemies but do not straight up remove it, friendly fire is a good mechanic + because it's funny.

[Captain_Rage]

Leave it as it is. If people wanted and got the equivalent of tactical nukes that can wipe away enemies without effort it should come with a consequence.

[flamboyant wolf]

lesson learnt the hard way:

Never critique a Willow main while in their casting range. 

[_zwb]

Here's the real friendly fire

Spoiler

 

[HowlVoid]

Ok but, isn't this itself a balance?

People are complaining about low IQ play, too much dmg, too much going on etc

But if it requires some coordination and friendly fire than it seems to me like the skill is balanced? 

Maybe it's time to revisit the scale mail? Let it protect from cold fire too.

And maybe now fireproof falsetto could be useful? (Obviously buff it first to 90% fire proof).

[Yuuko]

Maybe if her spells had a delay before a player was effect so they'd have time to move ?  Like it could instantly burn all things / mobs there, but give players 1 second delay would that be better?  For both 1 ember and lunar spells.

[grm9]

20 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

But if it requires some coordination and friendly fire than it seems to me like the skill is balanced? 

the problem is that other people will be punished for your mistakes and some people might start kicking willow players for this, otherwise that'd at least require enabling friendly fire between willow and damaged players so they can kill willow 

[MondayNight]

2 hours ago, grm9 said:

... some people might start kicking willow players for this...

Might? MIGHT? Lol.

It's certain. No might or may or perhaps. I for one see a Willow joining server with Moon Perk: kick. No dilemma, no pondering. "Shoot 1st, ask nothing later".

KLei really done and fuked up with this Willow "friendly fire". Yes is quite oh so very fun & funny.. as the griefer/troll. For the rest? Not in mood for dumb $hit shenanigans, even if by mistake. Though am quite positive they'll correct it in a way or another. Even as a Willow co-main I see clearly the slip-up and why, objectively, such a mechanic is not good for co-op. At all.

[Mike23Ua]

7 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

Might? MIGHT? Lol.

It's certain. No might or may or perhaps. I for one see a Willow joining server with Moon Perk: kick. No dilemma, no pondering. "Shoot 1st, ask nothing later".

KLei really done and fuked up with this Willow "friendly fire". Yes is quite oh so very fun & funny.. as the griefer/troll. For the rest? Not in mood for dumb $hit shenanigans, even if by mistake. Though am quite positive they'll correct it in a way or another. Even as a Willow co-main I see clearly the slip-up and why, objectively, such a mechanic is not good for co-op. At all.

Wait I just wanna know one thing before I die over laughing..

Is it easier to cast & aim her spells with point and click KB and Mouse controls then it is to use a Xbox/PS controller?

I’ve always felt that Pc players free aim over many of the games function gave them an unfair advantage, so this would only be sweet Justice for us console players 

Jokes aside: Players the spells are casted on in non PvP servers should probably be able to be extinguished quickly by slapping the flames off of yourself or something.

Similar to how if a Wendy player needs to quickly Dismiss Abigail without going through the animation process of using her flower, they can smack her with a spear (if she’s doing something you don’t want her to do like extincting bee hives)

I refuse to believe that Willow will just be allowed to set people on fire without them being intelligent enough to quickly pat the flames out.