How the saw horse and the furnitures should be obtained

[kaTome]

22 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

if this were to be a problem then wouldn't there be hordes of random players right now building signs and wardrobes everywhere

It is a problem. I can't count the number of servers I've played in where people build a wall around base for no reason 

[_zwb]

13 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

FIND the Ruins or Pearls Hermit Island.

There's a pattern in caves generation that helps you find ruins early on consistently,  ruins rushing is a thing you know. As for Pearl, just pick up bottles and she'll give you her location, no skill nor luck required .

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

getting pretty base furniture shouldn’t be one of the things tied to RNG.

Those aren't random, there are patterns to follow.

18 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

PC players KNOW THIS Though, that’s why a good bit of them use a pretty little console command that reveals the whole map for them so they can see exactly how their worlds generated, and if it isn’t to their liking.. Discard it.

Console Players actually have to explore the map before determining if their happy with their world Gen.. and I’ll be the first to tell you I’ve had worlds where I busted open caves and found the Lunar Grotto on Day 3, and I’ve Equally had worlds where I’m on day 300 and still haven’t found that damn Grotto.

This is not about console vs pc.

20 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

As we all know… the Ocean of DST is largely empty, but it’s also largely RNG.. you might for example, decide to fight crab king when two RockJaw Sharks decide they want to get involved in the fight.

But what if your Pearls Island spawns too close to endless pirate raid invasions and THEN your task of getting the Sawhorse BP is Offset by becoming a stinky monkey so now you need to actually FIND Moon Quay and trade bananas to rid your curse?

These have nothing to do with acquiring the sawhorse once you've revealed Pearl's location, which is dead easy to do.

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Okay.. what if you play the game on any other settings beyond Default? What if let’s say you activate Lunar/Shadow Rifts ahead of spending 500 Days in a world filling out the world map?

so NOW You have to deal with Lunar Hail & Inkblights & Acid Rain as you even try to  “Find” your Ruins?

Normally we are discussing about gameplay without toggling world settings, and in this particular case, it's your problem because you know enabling rifts will make things harder.

23 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

And the berry bushes you planted on pearls island?? Yeah they’re overrun by Brightshades.

You can just place chair and leave? It's like picking up Bee Queen's loot from a tentacle trap. You don't need to kill the tentacles to pick up the items.

26 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

”Git Gud Noob”

Just so you don't sound like attacking strawman arguments: Get good you noob

[kaTome]

I love the sawhorse as a post end-game mechanic. 

One thing I like about DST is all the neat quests you can go on, so it's always fun when they add more. And I like pearl, so I'm glad to have a reason to visit her post crab king. 

If the saw horse were available behind alchemy, I wouldn't have a quest to go on.

[CaptainChaotica]

(First off: Not reading the other replies since last time, since I'm sure there's at least some saying I'm a "nub" who needs to "git gud" (and my whole POINT is that this is manifestly not a combat-player-oriented part of the game, so "gitting gud" for THIS, specifically, shouldn't be necessary!)...but if I accidentally repeat someone else's GOOD point exactly: oops.)

Okay, what really bugs me about this whole thing, is how little SENSE it makes! Not just gameplay-style-wise, but also..thematically! What the HECK does going to the ocean or the ruins have to do with furniture? Are all the possible couches made from driftwood and Thulecite? Somehow I doubt that! (I wouldn't know, I've never seen that crafting menu on my own screen, but...) When I hear "Hey, there's a new furniture category of crafting in the game now!" I think, "Sweet, I'll just pop into the Alchemy Engine menu and look for the new tab and...where...what...?" I don't think "Well, obviously it's time to go to sea then! THAT makes sense!" It's like, to get from Point A to Point B, you have to go through Points J and V in-between.

Spoiler

(also, bear this in mind: If you're playing alone and you go on a long voyage: your bird is gonna DIE! Your garden is gonna get taken over by weeds and rot! Because nobody else is there to take care of things while you're away for a long time!) On my currently main? world, I've been away looking for the damn lunar island for WAY longer than I thought it would take, and I know my poor crow is a rotting morsel in his cage now. Poor dear.)

I also found the edge of the entire world at one point; that was fun. I should also mention this is a Huge world, so sailing all around it only to find out you've gone the entire wrong way and now have to go back around the entire continent, takes longer than it would on a standard world.

If you must lock it behind something other than "anybody at all can just access this as soon as they have an Alchemy Engine", here's an idea: CHARACTER-lock it. When I think furniture, I think woodworking, and that makes me think: Woodie. (Maybe Winona.) I think, choppin' down pine trees in a forest and then sawin' on a log, to make rough-hewn pioneer furniture, not...I dunno, seashells and yellow gems. Be Woodie for long enough to make the basic sawhorse and so everyone can use the simplest recipes, then either stay as Woodie or change characters.

Also, maybe gradiate it: Like, maybe everyone can make/access the sawhorse itself, but once you have, you don't automatically get access to ALL the furniture recipes. Just some of them. Maybe, if you want the GOOD stuff--the pretty stuff, the fancy stuff, the stuff that says to everyone who knows: "Look What A Good Player I Must Be, Because I Have THIS!", that, you can require the player to go to odd and far-away places for. But everyone should be able to make a regular wooden table and chair.
--If you want to further incentivize people, how 'bout this: How bout, the better, fancier furniture also has some actual gameplay advantage? Maybe a slight sanity buff, from standing really close to it ("dapperness"/style/beauty is a way to get sanity back in this game, after all) or maybe you could make a proper off-the-ground bed with a frame and covers that works EXACTLY THE SAME as the straw roll...it just lasts longer. Maybe as long as a tent. Maybe THAT could entice some non-combat players to go to the ruins!...but, those who still don't want to? could still have SOMEthing from the new crafting category.

I dunno, this whole thing is just...odd,to me. It seriously feels like someone at Klei was really annoyed that not enough players were going to the ruins and/or doing Pearl's quest, and somebody else, maybe, had the idea of finally adding canon (not modded) furniture to the game. And the two loose ends were just MASHED together, regardless of gameplay OR thematic sense. It's like they wanted to make two great tastes taste great together, but...didn't consult on WHICH food either of them was making, so instead of making a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup, we ended up with a slice of banana-cream pie slapped onto a plate of spaghetti.

TL;DR: Make it so the BASIC furniture is accessible to everyone, and only the more exotic stuff requires going to more exotic places.

...Notorious

[mima_]

4 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

n my current DST world I’m on day 200+ and still have yet to even FIND my Ruins area

its seems that its "you" problem. 
people usually just pop into two random sinkhole to find middle mud biome and pretty easily find lichen which lead to ruins. i think u need to spend time exploring the actual game than ranting in forum.

[Mike23Ua]

15 minutes ago, prettynuggets said:

its seems that its "you" problem. 
people usually just pop into two random sinkhole to find middle mud biome and pretty easily find lichen which lead to ruins. i think u need to spend time exploring the actual game than ranting in forum.

Do you set your world Gen to standard, branched, looped, or Highly Randomized?

When Klei creates a game and advertises it as “Explore Randomly Generated Worlds” then I expect to explore randomly generated worlds.. Obviously I toggle the highly randomized choices.

for me to have found the Atrium before I’ve found my Ruins means I’m obviously playing the game.. I’m just having bad luck in locating the actual spot I need to go to to obtain the Furniture Blueprint.

Ive located Lunar Island, Pearls Island, Crab King, Lunar Grotto, Ancient Archives- But I’ve yet to map out where my actual Ruins are located.

Im NOT playing on Default settings though, I have seasons set to Random, Lunar/Shadow Rifts always on, and Trying to find the exact spot in which I can get a Chair Blueprint shouldn’t be as hard as finding Moon Quay.

Hilariously the Ancient Archives even have these very same relic furnitures.. but the Sitting Horror you need to kill with a % Chance to get the Blueprint is only found in the Ruins.

I think I’ve got every right to complain on the forums about it..

ESPECIALLY if Klei is going to give everyone an entire furniture set for free as a Halloween login gift.

[CaptainChaotica]

4 hours ago, kaTome said:

It is a problem. I can't count the number of servers I've played in where people build a wall around base for no reason 

In slight defense of walls: Giants seem to be obsessed with them, and might leave your other stuff alone while destroying them. I don't know if this is still true, but I've seen it happen at least twice. Whether you plan to fight them or lure them away and ditch them, either way, you'll be glad when they obsess over your walls instead of smooshin' your crockpot, fridge, fling-o, and beebox.

Anyway. Guys. I am NOT a _totally_ wimpy player. I have never used Relaxed Mode and don't want to, nor have I ever turned dangerous things off in Survival mode. I have never disabled/turned down stuff like giants, wildfires, hound waves, temperature damage, lightning, spiders... In fact, I deliberately RANDOMISE my seasons (sometimes with mods, although those appear to not work at the moment) and if I end up with a 40-day summer every single year, so be it!

(Pictured: My totally modless 2022 Beta world. It did, in fact, have 40-day summers. I responded by making my traditional "road trees" out of something unburnable.)

I've been playing the DS universe off and on in general since early 2016, and I'm not a stupid person or a horrible player. My longest run ever was on a (gameplay-advantage) modless world with 40 day winters. I've done Wilderness a few times, for funsies.

It's that I just. Don't. CARE!! enough about combat to work hard enough at it to learn it! I don't want to lose all those worlds, I don't want to start over and over for optional things, I don't find the main reward: "gitting gud" at combat, FUN enough to be worth the effort. It's like how I am with math. MAYBE I could learn it if I had a good enough teacher; I just don't LIKE it enough and am not in school anymore. Heck, if my getting mocked and yelled at into the ground during BOTH Forge events wasn't enough to embarrass me into "gitting gud", nothing would do it. Not even this.

Also, again, this just doesn't make any frelling sense: Good-at-videogames-player style risk for decorative, peaceful player reward, AND having to go to the sea and ruins to build furniture. Even if I could do it easily, I'd refuse. Because it's just DUMB. I shouldn't _have_ to. Nobody should.

...Notorious

[somethin]

I wonder if pearl has a new line of dialogue about wanting a chair as a hint.

[mima_]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Im NOT playing on Default settings though

i tried many branching/loop customization, it endup alaways mud biome in middle and all branches connected to it. no matter how u made it . just like all brances is started to the portal starting biome.

here some tips . make moggles. u found where ancient gateway already ? great that spot is near the mud biome or just walk to the middle of map till u find mud biome . pass the lichen . go deeper till u find monkey and tadaa u will find ur ruins brances . its not hard.

 

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Lunar/Shadow Rifts always on

its ur decision. why rant being hard when u the one who turn it on. u turn it on so u dont need to try hard getting into late game to enjoy the content. 

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, prettynuggets said:

i tried many branching/loop customization, it endup alaways mud biome in middle and all branches connected to it. no matter how u made it . just like all brances is started to the portal starting biome.

here some tips . make moggles. u found where ancient gateway already ? great that spot is near the mud biome or just walk to the middle of map till u find mud biome . pass the lichen . go deeper till u find monkey and tadaa u will find ur ruins brances . its not hard.

 

its ur decision. why rant being hard when u the one who turn it on. u turn it on so u dont need to try hard getting into late game to enjoy the content. 

My issue with it isn’t the combat.. like in general I don’t mind fighting any type of mobs so long as they aren’t a Boss with 5 bajillion health points. My issue with it is in the Tedium required to FIND the Ruins & Pearls Island.. 

My DS/Shipwrecked/Hamlet/DST playstyle in a Nutshell: Experience as much of the game as I can in short burst play sessions. 

So the TL:DR would be being able to craft a fully furnished base with pretty furnitures as early as like Day 2-3 and then.. as I play the game and survive more days have the game continuously ramp up in difficulty becoming harder for me to survive.

I wouldn’t mind for example building pretty base furniture quickly & easily only to have a lunar rift spawn over it and break most of it.

What I DO NOT Enjoy is dedicating a long-term commitment towards one world or base decorations.

[mima_]

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

as I play the game and survive more days have the game continuously ramp up in difficulty becoming harder for me to survive.

wdym ? game become easier once u get late game item like brightshade/void gear. lol. 
 

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

long-term commitment

just use woody u can just walk thro find ruins (u dont even need to fight just need wait in a section of ruins with chair)  and pearl fast with goose. if what u willing to do is making fully furnished base in first week of surviving.
idk about all u rant about inconvenience u are facing is actually a choice by noone but u.  
 

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

My DS/Shipwrecked/Hamlet/DST playstyle in a Nutshell: Experience as much of the game as I can in short burst play sessions.

i dont think u can fully get furniture from any of DS franchise without actual grinding. 

[Harrowick]

If the unlock condition for furniture was specifically pearl, I could live with that. I understand having an unlock condition gates off people "wasting resources", but then again most public worlds (outside of endless worlds) don't make it to Summer. As long as someone enjoys the furniture, I can find peace with that! 

[SapoLover]

I don't even see why people could agree with purely cosmetic chairs and tables being locked behind the ruins, a place in which the main thing is fighting and get materials to craft heavy gear to fight more. If anything it should be pearl only, instead of a ruins chair it could be another decorative structure, maybe an end table, I don't know.

 

[Masked Koopa]

I like that it adds more stuff to pearl tbh

[Popian]

Normally decoration would use a different kind of currency as was done with the Cawnival ones.

35 minutes ago, SapoLover said:

purely cosmetic chairs and tables

They have collision, often to the players’ disadvantage with how they’re placed.

[_zwb]

9 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m just having bad luck in locating the actual spot I need to go to to obtain the Furniture Blueprint.

You can always just walk along the edge of the map and eventually you'll get to the ruins, unless your worldgen is bugged.

9 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

you need to kill with a % Chance to get the Blueprint is only found in the Ruins.

The resting horror drops 1 blueprint with a 100% chance

[0Navis0]

I can understand why some people want to keep the way how the sawhorse is obtained as it is. The idea to put a relic chair on pearl island so pearl can rest, and give you a blueprint in exchange, is interesting. I just think it would make more sense if she gave you instead celestial stuff instead of the sawhorse blueprint.

[grm9]

1 hour ago, Hypsellis said:

I can understand why some people want to keep the way how the sawhorse is obtained as it is. The idea to put a relic chair on pearl island so pearl can rest, and give you a blueprint in exchange, is interesting. I just think it would make more sense if she gave you instead celestial stuff instead of the sawhorse blueprint.

Her quote implies that she's offended by how bad the chair you made is and just wants you to learn how to make proper chairs, which is why it's specifically a blueprint for something that will help you to learn how to make proper chairs.

[Gwido]

The current way to get the new sawhorse is not really bad but ...

 

1. There's no hints on how to get the replica chair blueprint. I have more that 3 400 hours of play, and never find an hint about the chest "code" or think that there is something to do with this chest. For me it was just a small chest added here to help store some items neer the crafting station (that I don't use because I often rebuild another one)
2. Pearl allready have many things to do on her island to get the pearl. There was no need to add another action not related with the main goal.
3. It would be better to get the blueprint via the stage end, or in the ruins, or even against knights (you get it ? saw horse  )

[gamehun20]

3 minutes ago, Gwido said:

knights (you get it ? saw horse

Well that would be a double joke then because it already looks like a horse and places like one

[Gwido]

7 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

Well that would be a double joke then because it already looks like a horse and places like one

Honestly, I'm the type that try to discover things by myself, and My two first minds were to give something to the stage hand, or killing a shadow knight with a glass cutter, wich default skin looks like a saw (an horse killed by a saw = sawhorse blueprint :D)

[JazzyGames]

Come on, guys. Let’s give Nightmare Pig another blueprint.

[Jakepeng99]

13 minutes ago, JazzyGames said:

Come on, guys. Let’s give Nightmare Pig another blueprint.

I would rather the nightmare pig give an advert which you could then give to the sawhorse to unlock dreadstone furniture. That would be cool.

 

Placing a chair on pearl could give a pearl furniture set advert as a replacement of the saw horse.

[Brago-sama]

18 minutes ago, JazzyGames said:

Come on, guys. Let’s give Nightmare Pig another blueprint.

The Cartographer's Desk hungers

[Jakepeng99]

1 hour ago, Gwido said:

The current way to get the new sawhorse is not really bad but ...

 

1. There's no hints on how to get the replica chair blueprint. I have more that 3 400 hours of play, and never find an hint about the chest "code" or think that there is something to do with this chest. For me it was just a small chest added here to help store some items neer the crafting station (that I don't use because I often rebuild another one)
2. Pearl allready have many things to do on her island to get the pearl. There was no need to add another action not related with the main goal.
3. It would be better to get the blueprint via the stage end, or in the ruins, or even against knights (you get it ? saw horse  )

Getting it from a knight would be cool. 

In my depiction, you could defeat a special knight from a special set piece and it turns into a saw horse once defeated, and the blueprint.