[SUGGESTION] Make it so Wormwood can craft fancy berry bushes

[Tin Can]

Since Wormwood can craft both normal and juicy berry bushes, why not make it so he can make the fancy variant of the normal berry bush? We have lacked a reliable means to obtain fancy berry bushes reliably for a while now, and this would be a perfect opportunity to do so.

[Picklesaurus]

I feel bad for wormwood, those plant crafting perks that benefit him so little since he already has an easy time aquiring food makes him feel like a crafting station for others.

[webberer]

23 minutes ago, Picklesaurus said:

I feel bad for wormwood, those plant crafting perks that benefit him so little since he already has an easy time aquiring food makes him feel like a crafting station for others.

Especially monkey tails, I literally don’t see the point why wormwood can craft this. (I mean it seems good, better than nothing, but it just doesn’t make any sense) 

I somehow think this ability is intentionally designed working for Wicker, because everyone else’s need for reeds is really limited. But for Wickbutton, she now no longer need to search the swamp nor find monkey island, which is NOT FAIR, not at all. For Wormwood mains, they waste a skill point not for themselves, but basically just to serve another character. This is ridiculous.

[Creatorofswamps]

18 minutes ago, webberer said:

I mean it seems good, better than nothing, but it just doesn’t make any sense

+

[Antynomity]

23 minutes ago, webberer said:

Especially monkey tails, I literally don’t see the point why wormwood can craft this. (I mean it seems good, better than nothing, but it just doesn’t make any sense) 

I somehow think this ability is intentionally designed working for Wicker, because everyone else’s need for reeds is really limited. But for Wickbutton, she now no longer need to search the swamp nor find monkey island, which is NOT FAIR, not at all. For Wormwood mains, they waste a skill point not for themselves, but basically just to serve another character. This is ridiculous.

Bro never heard of night armours.

Or healing salves

[_zwb]

27 minutes ago, webberer said:

Especially monkey tails, I literally don’t see the point why wormwood can craft this. (I mean it seems good, better than nothing, but it just doesn’t make any sense) 

Night armour since he can't heal as easy, honey poultice for healing. That makes a lot sense.

[webberer]

17 minutes ago, _zwb said:

Night armour since he can't heal as easy, honey poultice for healing. That makes a lot sense.

First of all, At early stage, no one use these 2 stuff. Even For wormwood players who like to fight, bramble armour is obvious better choice when dealing with bees, spiders or monkeys. As for honey poultice, on one make this either, bat bat and jellybeans are way more better. 
you need to understand that I don’t need to use my power just because I have it. There are way more better choices.
You remind me that, this 2 stuff exactly right shows the meaningless of this skill.

[Antynomity]

4 minutes ago, webberer said:

First of all, At early stage, no one use these 2 stuff. Even For wormwood players who like to fight, bramble armour is obvious better choice when dealing with bees, spiders or monkeys. As for honey poultice, on one make this either, bat bat and jellybeans are way more better. 
you need to understand that I don’t need to use my power just because I have it. There are way more better choices. 

dude you just said no one uses those early when you can rush a shadow manipulator pretty fast and get honey from killing bees, and then said that bat bat and jelly beans are better... get real

like... you literally need a shadow manip to craft a bat bat and need to kill bee queen for jelly beans

[Bellium]

4 minutes ago, webberer said:

First of all, At early stage, no one use these 2 stuff. Even For wormwood players who like to fight, bramble armour is obvious better choice when dealing with bees, spiders or monkeys. As for honey poultice, on one make this either, bat bat and jellybeans are way more better. 
you need to understand that I don’t need to use my power just because I have it. There are way more better choices. 

People use both of these for wormwood, since 95% protection is better than 80%, and not everyone is gonna be permaa killing bee-queen or seeking out mobs to fight just to heal

[webberer]

15 minutes ago, Bellium said:

since 95% protection is better than 80%

The night armour has higher protection, but not everyone wears it all day because sanity reducing is annoying even wormwood could recover his sanity quickly, but you still can’t ignore it. And like I said, in early stage of the game, we don’t need to have boss fights, just with small animals, if you wear night armour just to kill spiders or bees, it is definitely waste.

18 minutes ago, Antynomity said:

like... you literally need a shadow manip to craft a bat bat and need to kill bee queen for jelly beans

But even during fighting with queen bee, bramble armour is still better than night armour. Like I said, you don’t have to make night armour just because you are reed free, night armour is not everything.

[Mr. Tour]

55 minutes ago, webberer said:

But even during fighting with queen bee, bramble armour is still better than night armour. Like I said, you don’t have to make night armour just because you are reed free, night armour is not everything.

mate, people use both, it is great against queen bee, but the night armour is better in general, and wormwood is one of the characters that benefits the more from reeds besides Wicker, it's one of the best uses for fast healing and the armor is so easy to craft for wormwood .

 

What kind of argument is "not everyone wears it all day"? you have inventory slots, why would you wear the armour all day? why would you wear any armor all day?

[Wonz]

Actually not more usefull than the normals ones I wouldn't use point for that.  

This is visual change, just tie it to clean sweeper for everyone.  

[ShadowbirdRH]

Tents are the game winner for healing Wormwood out of battle. Spend a day bringing spiderkind (except one) to their many knees, pump out a bunch of living logs, stuff your face with monster meat, and take a long nap. I'm half ready to kick myself for not realizing how golden tents are for Wormwood sooner, but playing almost nothing but Wickerbottom since starting DS back on the Wii U until finally branching out on DST, I suppose it stands to reason that sleeping wasn't exactly on the forefront of my mind.

Anyway, I never found monkeytails all that worth while. Souls are great healing if you are or have a Wortox with you, honey poultices are superior to healing salves, but you just need to raid a swamp every now and then for that, and since you don't have to worry about reeds ever turning into skittish squishy lizards, you don't have much to worry about running out of them, unlike grass tufts, which IMO would be a better use for that skill slot.

Back to the topic though, I don't think there's really any reason not to have the fancy berry bushes more available. The skill to craft berry bushes should be able to craft all three of them, or failing that, a suggestion I've made before is for the clean sweeper to be able to swap objects between their natural non-curio forms. Things like flowers, evil flowers, ferns, foliage, and of course berry bushes.

[webberer]

54 minutes ago, Mr. Tour said:

the armor is so easy to craft for wormwood .

Sorry but do you mean the night armour is easy to produce for Wormwood? Bro the monkey tails need bananas to craft, how is that easy? Or do you mean use the reeds collected from swamp? But what about Wicker’s book? What are you even talking about?

and even if you have “successfully” collected enough bananas to produce monkey tails, how many reeds can you collect before the first winter without Wicker??? Given that you have stolen reeds which she was gonna use to make books to craft your monkey tails 

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, Antynomity said:

Bro never heard of night armours.

Or healing salves

I'd still argue that it would have made more sense to improve his bramble husk's defenses and make compost wraps easier to make and easier to use via skills instead of this plant production nonsense.

[ShadowDuelist]

8 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'd still argue that it would have made more sense to improve his bramble husk's defenses and make compost wraps easier to make and easier to use via skills instead of this plant production nonsense.

This. Also:

1. Normal berries, juicy berries and fancy berries should cost just one point of investment and get all 3 unlocks (each with its specific crafting cost)
2. Lunar saplings, grass and monkeytails should all be together and unlocked in another skill point.
3. Lureplants should remain its own point. Lureplants can be a good advantage in several aspects of the game if you mass craft them from day one.

[Jakepeng99]

I think you should be able to trade berry bushes at the pig king for them to switch skin.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, ShadowDuelist said:

This.

1. Normal berries, juicy berries and fancy berries should cost just one point of investment and get all 3 unlocks (each with its specific crafting cost)
2. Lunar saplings, grass and monkeytails should all be together and unlocked in another skill point.
3. Lureplants should remain its own point. Lureplants can be a good advantage in several aspects of the game if you mass craft them from day one.

I'd argue they should remove the craft resource plants from his tree entirely except the lure plant considering the other living plant crafts and place those plant crafts in the archives like someone suggested in another thread. I don't feel like Wormwood's skill tree should be wasted on decorations and people who want to do that shouldn't have to play Wormwood to do it and he shouldn't be cheated out of skills because of it.

[ShadowbirdRH]

  

22 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'd still argue that it would have made more sense to improve his bramble husk's defenses and make compost wraps easier to make and easier to use via skills instead of this plant production nonsense.

Improving the Bramble Husk (Wormwood's star feature I'd say! Okay, planting anywhere is awesome too.) is a nice idea, but I've been suggesting he get some plant propagation abilities for a long while too. Still, there's plenty of other junk in Wormwood's skill tree that could be replaced. Maybe instead of just having a whole branch of the skill tree dedicated to the Bramble Husk, each side has its own exclusive benefits. Maybe one side could have buffed AoE range and damage, and the other could have buffed durability and damage reduction.

[ShadowDuelist]

Bramble traps have long been neglected as something nobody crafts, those need love too.

[Mysterious box]

41 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Bramble traps have long been neglected as something nobody crafts, those need love too.

Yeah I think his skill tree in general needs a more of a Woody style skill tree touch to make his own crafts more worthwhile.

[_zwb]

1 hour ago, webberer said:

Sorry but do you mean the night armour is easy to produce for Wormwood? Bro the monkey tails need bananas to craft, how is that easy?

You can go to the ruins and use bramble husks to farm bananas, and you can get purple gems required for shadow manipulator, last time I tried I got 23 bananas in one cycle, not too bad. Alternatively you can rush the monkey Island for bananas, though that is rather inconsistent.

3 hours ago, webberer said:

First of all, At early stage, no one use these 2 stuff. Even For wormwood players who like to fight, bramble armour is obvious better choice when dealing with bees, spiders or monkeys.

As for honey poultice, on one make this either, bat bat and jellybeans are way more better.

You can easily rush shadow manipulator in the first autumn, that tech requirement is not a big deal when you know, Wormwood can craft living logs (which are hard to get early on).

What, you only fight hordes of enemies and never 1vs1 any mobs in this game? Bramble husks are good, but when facing one or two enemies night armour is better because AOE is not that impactful.

Don't you need shadow manipulator to get bat bat? To be logically consistent you shouldn't use bat bat either because it's hard to get in the early stage. As for jellybeans, it's a rather slow healing process, that's not ideal in a boss fight when you need immediate healing.

[Wonurb]

10 hours ago, webberer said:

Especially monkey tails, I literally don’t see the point why wormwood can craft this. (I mean it seems good, better than nothing, but it just doesn’t make any sense) 

I somehow think this ability is intentionally designed working for Wicker, because everyone else’s need for reeds is really limited. But for Wickbutton, she now no longer need to search the swamp nor find monkey island, which is NOT FAIR, not at all. For Wormwood mains, they waste a skill point not for themselves, but basically just to serve another character. This is ridiculous.

Monkey tail is the only useful plant is this path for wormwood, creating a honey and paper farm to create the healing item helps a lot with the biggest disadvantage of the wormwood when it is in a fight

[Antynomity]

4 hours ago, Creatorofswamps said:

Change the recipe for creating monkey tails.Replace the banans with Palmcone Scale and then it will be a good compromise for who want monkey tails and for those who do not want them

no

[Creatorofswamps]

45 minutes ago, Antynomity said:

no