abradonn Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 hi, since klei is going to buff wolfgang, wormwood and woodie y should say i agree with this changes, except for wolfgang, He is a strong character even without this changes, woodie and wormwood needed those changes, specially woodie, in my opinion, because there was no reason to pick him instead other charactes. Getting to the hearth of the mather I think klei should focus on buff, or at least balance some characters which is not worth it to play with, currently we can find dificult but powerful characters, like wanda, or easy characters but not so powerful, like wendy (except wigfrid and wolfgang, they are easy and powerful XD). With this beta klei partielly solved this issue, buffing woodie, but yet there is one character which is not worth it to play at all, I'm taking about Walter. Even thought walter has some advantajes, like no sanity drain for bosses or enviroment, this advantajes doesn't worth it if we consider his low output damage with the slingshot or the sanity drain when taking damage, his unique crafts are not so good and is a mediocre characer, just above Wes. also we gotta talk about Woby, a lovely companion, but terrible in game, its only usage is exploring the map, what makes it almost useles sin late game, if you combine this with walter you get a mediocre character with a permanent chester. With this, I encorage Klei to buff walter as you did with Wilson, Woodie and wormwood. buff his damage, fire rate, or woby, Why not, some talents which convert Woby into a beefalo, several players, specially walter players tame beefalos, so Why not indroduce the option to train and strengthen woby, for example making him able to take damage, Its really annoying when something hits you, woby drops you off, meanwhile you take damage and finally dies. With my best intentions, I hope you read this, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomato Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, abradonn said: easy characters but not so powerful, like wendy Wha? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149175-good-job-klei-on-the-skill-trees-walter-skill-tree/ Just gonna leave my Walter skill tree suggestions here Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, The Box said: Wha? ikr wendy is op Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_NiX Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Calling Wendy weak, when lot of players rely on sister of hers just feels wrong. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Wendy is actually not so good fighting bosses, a lot them have aoe attacks and Abigail takes full damage instead of halved like players do, meaning most of the time she'd be fighting on her own, though Abigail is still op against hordes of enemies like spiders. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_NiX Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, _zwb said: Wendy is actually not so good fighting bosses, a lot them have aoe attacks and Abigail takes full damage instead of halved like players do, meaning most of the time she'd be fighting on her own, though Abigail is still op against hordes of enemies like spiders. Most Wendy players use Beefalo, It doesnt get damage penalty, you get 1000 HP and a buff from Abigal's attacks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Master_NiX said: Most Wendy players use Beefalo, It doesnt get damage penalty, you get 1000 HP and a buff from Abigal's attacks. ... You know what an AOE attack is right? And beefalos, taming them is just tedious as hell and you're basically bonded to this beast for the rest of your run because they de-domesticate if you don't ride them every so often. That's not a good thing when Klei starts adding cheap tricks like knock backs to new mobs Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, _zwb said: de-domesticate if you don't ride them every so often. Not if you max them out Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, gamehun20 said: Not if you max them out They can slowly become undomesticated if you leave them for long enough...even tamed beefalos Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Ah yes, wendy is op, you just NEED to spend 20days minimum to tame a beefalo... unlike lets say wolfgang whos clearly not op as instead of spending that 20days taming a beefalo they could kill 4-5 raid bosses... Yeah wendy is massively overrated Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capybara007 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 as a wigfrid player, wigfrid is not powerful, and her rework was the worst one ever, "balance doesnt matter" but for some reason it does for klei when reworking wigfrid so much so that they have to give her some miserable battlesongs in fear that it will be too op if klei made the wigfrid rework in 2023, they would make fireproof falsetto give 33% extra resis instead of fire resis, courage full fear nullification instead of only 50% and warble weapon and armor durability instead of only weapon dont believe me? look at the reworks of 2021 and 2022, you can turn off spring, you can turn full moons on and off, you can have infinite darkness vision. For some reason at the time they reworked wigfrid balance or moderation with the character's power was so essential hopefully they make her actually fun with her skill tree Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykenception Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, _zwb said: They can slowly become undomesticated if you leave them for long enough...even tamed beefalos there's lots if guids showing how easy it is to tame a beef, that and a simple salt lick would do the trick of maintaining the domestication if you're busy doing something else Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antynomity Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Wendy's one of the best characters in the game in the right hands lol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonboooorn Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, Antynomity said: Wendy's one of the best characters in the game in the right hands lol True, she not only can neglect her low－by－hand damage but also do more damage than "normal" character with no debuff or bonus to their damage. War saddle beefalo, Abigail petals damage plus, some potions, and you deal quite impressive amount of damage for a character who is supposed to avoid boss fights and only good at hoard fights. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Gashzer said: Ah yes, wendy is op, you just NEED to spend 20days minimum to tame a beefalo... unlike lets say wolfgang whos clearly not op as instead of spending that 20days taming a beefalo they could kill 4-5 raid bosses... Yeah wendy is massively overrated 20 days to tame a beefalo vs a life time of workouts. Hordes are some of the greatest dangers and most common threats this game offers due to the all mighty stunlock and with careful management there are still many bosses Abigail can fight. 5 hours ago, Capybara007 said: as a wigfrid player, wigfrid is not powerful, and her rework was the worst one ever, "balance doesnt matter" but for some reason it does for klei when reworking wigfrid so much so that they have to give her some miserable battlesongs in fear that it will be too op if klei made the wigfrid rework in 2023, they would make fireproof falsetto give 33% extra resis instead of fire resis, courage full fear nullification instead of only 50% and warble weapon and armor durability instead of only weapon dont believe me? look at the reworks of 2021 and 2022, you can turn off spring, you can turn full moons on and off, you can have infinite darkness vision. For some reason at the time they reworked wigfrid balance or moderation with the character's power was so essential hopefully they make her actually fun with her skill tree The ironic part is there was so much talk about how characters not being balanced doesn't matter but we wouldn't be asking for more refreshes if they were balanced in the first place. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antynomity Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Gashzer said: Ah yes, wendy is op, you just NEED to spend 20days minimum to tame a beefalo... unlike lets say wolfgang whos clearly not op as instead of spending that 20days taming a beefalo they could kill 4-5 raid bosses... Yeah wendy is massively overrated you literally think walter is fine lmao Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybers2001 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Gashzer said: Ah yes, wendy is op, you just NEED to spend 20days minimum to tame a beefalo... unlike lets say wolfgang whos clearly not op as instead of spending that 20days taming a beefalo they could kill 4-5 raid bosses... Yeah wendy is massively overrated Are you suggesting the character that specializes in combat should be less strong, or are you saying the character that's meant to be support combat should be more strong? Or are you just trying to play devil's advocate? 4-5 raid bosses in the first 20 days of a fresh world is an impressive feat that very few people could realize even as Wolfgang. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149253-weak-characters-who-needs-buffs-the-balance-problem/#findComment-1648623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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