Concerns and sugestions about the inkblights encounter

[Malfario]

Not much to be said, i dont understand why this encounter needs a three day timer, i think it should be as simple as the dreadstone obelisk spawning on the first fissure visited by the player on a nightmare phase, and getting one fight for each nightmare cycle.

Related to this i think the dreadsrone obelisk should have a marker on the map same way rifts show on the map regardless if they are in an uncovered area. Casually passing by a fissure in the corner of your screen not noticing it and not knowing why the creatures dont spawn is very frustrating.

Finally regarding the dreadstone obelisk, it is quite silly that it can only be mined out with pick/axe or brightshade smasher, i understand dreadstone its a super sturdy material but i think brightshade bombs, the inkblights themselve or weatherpains should be able to breake them. it will be in line with "stonger tools" been required and on pair with the daywalker having to break his pillars to get the resource.

And i dont know how many porpuses dreadstone will have on the future but being mostly for decorations right now i think if the obelisk droping more dreadstone is fair, even if on the future this has to be tuned up, i am thinking like 8-10 dreadstone will be nice.

[hambager]

yeah I agree it kinda sucks right now

ps:but the big inkblight can break it

[gamehun20]

31 minutes ago, Malfario said:

Finally regarding the dreadstone obelisk, it is quite silly that it can only be mined out with pick/axe or brightshade smasher, i understand dreadstone its a super sturdy material but i think brightshade bombs, the inkblights themselve or weatherpains should be able to breake them. it will be in line with "stonger tools" been required and on pair with the daywalker having to break his pillars to get the resource.

Squid already breaks dreadstone outcrops.

[Malfario]

1 minute ago, gamehun20 said:

Squid already breaks dreadstone outcrops.

no more after the last hotfix

[Mike23Ua]

Turn Lunar Rifts on in World Settings, it’s not incredibly hard to get a Brightshade Hammer- there one of my new favorite items in the game: it’s a Weapon that deals 42 damage, Hammer, and Pickaxe all in one tool.

[Malfario]

11 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Turn Lunar Rifts on in World Settings, it’s not incredibly hard to get a Brightshade Hammer- there one of my new favorite items in the game: it’s a Weapon that deals 42 damage, Hammer, and Pickaxe all in one tool.

i think you have missed the point, i know that using the smasher is a valid option, my concern is that it is the only option.

[Shosuko]

I haven't played since they nerfed the big guy breaking it for you so idk how tough it is, but expecting you to burn away the miasma and mine this while 3 of them are chasing you seems a bit much lol.  I'll have to give it a go to see how I really feel about it.  If you can lure them a decent bit away its probably do-able, which is fine enough for me.  I don't think I mind it requiring the pick/axe or smasher, I've grown a bit fond of the pick/axe since it was required to fight nmwp.

btw did they nerf the surface portals to block the weather pain from mining too?

I do think the dark portals should be marked on the map.  You have to clear them to stop the dumb stuff in the caves same as on the surface, and those are marked right?

[Brago-sama]

You have to kill 2 of them before you can mine. When theres one left, they sorta just give up and stand there for like 5-8 seconds after every attack

I fully agree tho, theyre trying too hard to make pick/axe and the new smasher viable (which is funny bc smashers already good). I can kinda understand the big guy breaking it being patched (they want you to be prepared with some kind of tool), but that weather pain nerf was uncalled for imo

[bloopah]

2 hours ago, Malfario said:

i think you have missed the point, i know that using the smasher is a valid option, my concern is that it is the only option.

What about the Pick/Axe? The tool you can craft in the place you find the second boss required to activate the Rifts?

27 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

btw did they nerf the surface portals to block the weather pain from mining too?

They haven't.

[Shosuko]

5 minutes ago, bloopah said:

 

They haven't.

sry are you saying you can use the weather pain on both still?  Or that you can't use it in cave rift, but can in surface?

sry the patch notes were notable obtuse, and I haven't done the rifts since that patch.

[Antynomity]

I don't think the fight itself should only be accessible on the nightmare cycle instead make so every nightmare cycle makes so you can encounter them during and after it, so if you kill the trio right before a nightmare cycle you can fight them twice in a small amount of time. With the limited ways of breaking the obelisk I totally agree with, at least give us the option to use other stuff even if it's less effective (requires 2+ uses of weather pain etc.).

[Malfario]

4 hours ago, bloopah said:

What about the Pick/Axe?

you do realise both tools offers the same aproach to the action ? there isnt a difference between using both

[bloopah]

4 hours ago, Shosuko said:

sry are you saying you can use the weather pain on both still?  Or that you can't use it in cave rift, but can in surface?

sry the patch notes were notable obtuse, and I haven't done the rifts since that patch.

I only tested it on the Ryftstals (Lunar Rift). It's in the caves because I was too lazy to take pictures of it on the surface, so I spawned them in through console.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Malfario said:

you do realise both tools offers the same aproach to the action ? there isnt a difference between using both

7 hours ago, Malfario said:

i know that using the smasher is a valid option, my concern is that it is the only option.

 

[Malfario]

okay, i missed the fact that there is another tool in the game that you can use, but still the point i am making with this post is that there should be more ways in which we could get the dreadstone other than simply mine it.

[Shosuko]

2 hours ago, Malfario said:

okay, i missed the fact that there is another tool in the game that you can use, but still the point i am making with this post is that there should be more ways in which we could get the dreadstone other than simply mine it.

achktually you always have the green gem duping method.

[Mike23Ua]

3 hours ago, Malfario said:

okay, i missed the fact that there is another tool in the game that you can use, but still the point i am making with this post is that there should be more ways in which we could get the dreadstone other than simply mine it.

Play as Wilson and use Transmutation? 

[Malfario]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Play as Wilson and use Transmutation? 

again, my concern is not that i am struggling getting dreadstone, i am not asking for help, the dreadstone outcrop is not even a good source of dreadstone, i am asking for a variety of tactics to use to especifically collect the dreadstone outcrop because only been able to mine it its detrimental to the encounter. been to restrictive and annoying.

[Mike23Ua]

6 minutes ago, Malfario said:

again, my concern is not that i am struggling getting dreadstone, i am not asking for help, the dreadstone outcrop is not even a good source of dreadstone, i am asking for a variety of tactics to use to especifically collect the dreadstone outcrop because only been able to mine it its detrimental to the encounter. been to restrictive and annoying.

Oh in that case: I don’t know if it’s been patched yet but Antlion sinkholes will instantly mine pure brilliance in Lunar Rifts (yes I tested it, and I hope this doesn’t get patched cause it gives me incentive to keep the punishing Craters to reward myself with easier mining later)

So if it works on Lunar Rifts, I’m assuming that the Ant-Lion Boulders dropped on Shadow Rifts will instantly mine those too? I haven’t tested this yet- as I’ve only ever seen ONE Shadow rift in my world so far.

Please let me know if Antlion Boulders can mine them <3

[-Variant]

9 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Oh in that case: I don’t know if it’s been patched yet but Antlion sinkholes will instantly mine pure brilliance in Lunar Rifts (yes I tested it, and I hope this doesn’t get patched cause it gives me incentive to keep the punishing Craters to reward myself with easier mining later)

 

How did you manage to get Antlion boulders to rain on Pure Brilliance?

Anyways no, boulders won't break Dreadstone outcrops.

[Mike23Ua]

19 minutes ago, -Variant said:

How did you manage to get Antlion boulders to rain on Pure Brilliance?

Anyways no, boulders won't break Dreadstone outcrops.

Oh no not the Boulders, the Sinkhole Craters, those will instantly break RiftCrystals (which seems fair as I’m intentionally letting Antlion leave large craters in my world to benefit on not needing to mine Pure Brilliance Later)

Also are the Boulders in your image from the NEW Boulder Rain or the ones triggered by not appeasing the Ant-Lion?

Im not sure if it makes a difference- But Antlion Craters VS Lunar Rifts work.

[Shosuko]

21 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Oh no not the Boulders, the Sinkhole Craters, those will instantly break RiftCrystals (which seems fair as I’m intentionally letting Antlion leave large craters in my world to benefit on not needing to mine Pure Brilliance Later)

Also are the Boulders in your image from the NEW Boulder Rain or the ones triggered by not appeasing the Ant-Lion?

Im not sure if it makes a difference- But Antlion Craters VS Lunar Rifts work.

Someone confirmed that weather pain still works on the lunar rifts, its only the cave rifts that got the nerfs.  idk if Klei will follow up with any changes to the surface, depends on how much they want to enforce t2 tools I guess :\ 

[-Variant]

58 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

Someone confirmed that weather pain still works on the lunar rifts, its only the cave rifts that got the nerfs.  idk if Klei will follow up with any changes to the surface, depends on how much they want to enforce t2 tools I guess :\ 

It's weird but it is technically in-line.

Ryftstal can be broken without T2 items. It just takes longer. Weather pain working on them seems right.

Dreadstone could never be broken without T2 items. A bit unfortunate but it seems to be working fine.

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Oh no not the Boulders, the Sinkhole Craters, those will instantly break RiftCrystals (which seems fair as I’m intentionally letting Antlion leave large craters in my world to benefit on not needing to mine Pure Brilliance Later)

Also are the Boulders in your image from the NEW Boulder Rain or the ones triggered by not appeasing the Ant-Lion?

Im not sure if it makes a difference- But Antlion Craters VS Lunar Rifts work.

Misread about the sinkholes. 
Boulders seem to be the same, won't be able to use them against Dreadstone.

[bloopah]

6 hours ago, -Variant said:

Antlion boulders to rain on Pure Brilliance?

Sinkholes, aka. the big craters.

[lenship2]

i find it kinda interesting (and annoying) that maxwell's servants can mine the lunar ryftsals just fine, but are physically unable to mine anything dreadstone. i don't think i've ever mined the outcrop at all in my playthroughs yet because i'm too busy dealing with inkblights every time.

then again i don't need dreadstone for anything and can easily steal a few from the werepig, so who cares

[cybers2001]

On 6/19/2023 at 3:18 AM, Shosuko said:

I haven't played since they nerfed the big guy breaking it for you so idk how tough it is, but expecting you to burn away the miasma and mine this while 3 of them are chasing you seems a bit much lol.  I'll have to give it a go to see how I really feel about it.  If you can lure them a decent bit away its probably do-able, which is fine enough for me.  I don't think I mind it requiring the pick/axe or smasher, I've grown a bit fond of the pick/axe since it was required to fight nmwp.

btw did they nerf the surface portals to block the weather pain from mining too?

I do think the dark portals should be marked on the map.  You have to clear them to stop the dumb stuff in the caves same as on the surface, and those are marked right?

Mining them is actually not hard at all. I just leave one alive (usually the floating one), then lure it away from the portal, then go mine the portal before it returns.

Dark portals despawn when you walk several screens away, but respawn when you approach any fissure again. This causes them to essentially follow you, making it pretty easy to trigger the fight whenever you're ready.