Food and my love of Wormwood

[Mysterious box]

On 9/2/2022 at 6:49 AM, Gashzer said:

I live off the land in dst, cooked monster meat is my primary food source... Spiders provide core resources for most characters:

• Monster meat for woby/walter
• Monster meat for woodies forms
• Silk for winonas trusty tape
• Silk for sewing kit for willows bernie
• Wormwood can live off raw monster meat, silk is useful for tents/siesta for healing him or any character.
• Webber needs all of the spider drops for his crafts.
• Silk is in alot of recipes
• Spider glands for salves.

Plenty more reasons to farm spiders than what ive stated, like you should always farm spider dens when you walk past them.

Tbh you will need to farm even more spiders to get monster meat to convert to eggs for crockpot healing food. Why not just use strong armour and healing salves you get passively anyway and forget about crockpots? As long as you wear a crown or marble suit for bosses, you don't need alot of healing even less if you are playing in a team! 

Cooked monster food is the pro version of meatballs hehe

Feel like this is just summed up as playstyle difference I personally don't find a large need for a ton of silk or monster meat.

 

On 9/2/2022 at 6:49 AM, Gashzer said:

But jellybeans don't need wrapped and completely replace the need to bundle healing food as they outclass all medicine + healing food. So bundling wrap in itself is replaced by jellybeans lol there is absolutely no reason to bundle food if playing solo beyond it being a late game luxury...

 

On 9/2/2022 at 7:16 AM, Cheggf said:

If you have bundling wrap you have jellybeans which are better than both food and items.

I feel like this comes down to if you choose to farm bee queen or not I know many people establish auto farms for her but there are equally those who only fight her legitimately that being said while I haven't seen alot there are those who also farm her legitimately as well.

[Gashzer]

3 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Feel like this is just summed up as playstyle difference I personally don't find a large need for a ton of silk or monster meat.

Yeah i tend to play characters that require monster meat. Walter,webber, woodie.

Wormwood can farm alot of spiders quickly with bramble husk, so ye might as well take advantage of that plus his ability to chug raw mm like its nothin.

If im playing pubs as wurt i fish alot so need silk to spam craftsmerm huts everywhere in the swamp and make it as hostile as possible to other players....... pretty fun watching noobs trying to base with me with 1000 merms chasing them lol i do this mostly to protect my farms from leachers, wurt gotta protect her source of food from the scaleless. If a decent player wants to base then i craft them a clever disguise.

3 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I feel like this comes down to if you choose to farm bee queen or not I know many people establish auto farms for her but there are equally those who only fight her legitimately that being said while I haven't seen alot there are those who also farm her legitimately as well.

What sort of auto farms? My two main farming methods are merm guards and catapults... which are pretty legitimate in my books. Never had a reason to cheese bee queen, the game gives you plenty of strong legitimate ways to kill her.

Plus you get like 18 jellybeans per kill, its loads! You dont even need to farm her that often.

 

[Mysterious box]

13 hours ago, Gashzer said:

If im playing pubs as wurt i fish alot so need silk to spam craftsmerm huts everywhere in the swamp and make it as hostile as possible to other players....... pretty fun watching noobs trying to base with me with 1000 merms chasing them lol i do this mostly to protect my farms from leachers, wurt gotta protect her source of food from the scaleless. If a decent player wants to base then i craft them a clever disguise.

Tbh I've given up making craftsmerm huts with Wurt I jump straight to merm guards because I prefer to keep the king alive as I find it the most cost efficient for my playstyle.

 

13 hours ago, Gashzer said:

What sort of auto farms? My two main farming methods are merm guards and catapults... which are pretty legitimate in my books. Never had a reason to cheese bee queen, the game gives you plenty of strong legitimate ways to kill her.

Plus you get like 18 jellybeans per kill, its loads! You dont even need to farm her that often.

I understand this is a extremely controversial opinion but I consider merms, catapults, and bunnymen cheesing the fight.

[Evelo]

3 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I understand this is a extremely controversial opinion but I consider merms, catapults, and bunnymen cheesing the fight.

I feel the same way, kind of.
If you are Wurt and use Merms. Not Cheese it's part of her character.
If you are Winona and use Catapults,; Not Cheese it is part of her character.
If you swap off of those characters it is cheese since it is not part of the character.

Currently as WW I am amassing Bunnymen to try and kill BQ (I've killed BQ alone with no assistance from bunnymen, pigs, etc.) It is just REALLY slow and boring to do it just by yourself. So I've proven my capabilities before, just speeding up the process.

[Gashzer]

4 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Tbh I've given up making craftsmerm huts with Wurt I jump straight to merm guards because I prefer to keep the king alive as I find it the most cost efficient for my playstyle.

If playing solo yes i do the same, on pubs they are nice if you can't be bothered rushing lunar.

4 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I understand this is a extremely controversial opinion but I consider merms, catapults, and bunnymen cheesing the fight.

That is a very controversial opinion indeed! Thats like saying wolfgangs double damage, wendys sis abigail and wanda's alarming clock are also cheesing. Catapults, merm guards and bunnymen take alot of time to build them up and are character perks. Cheese is another way of saying exploit to me. Followers are meant to be recruited and used for combat they are not exploits, same as you would craft and prep dark swords or thulecite clubs.

Followers or catapults are a big investment for a big reward.

Hence, for example, why lots of people don't play Wurt, she has to invest to get her op-ness. People are massively turned off playing her for that reason. They prefer the quick access but lesser overall power of wendy and wolfgang. And that is the downside of merm guards even tho they destroy bee queen. And thats what makes them not a cheese method.

[Mysterious box]

3 hours ago, Gashzer said:

If playing solo yes i do the same, on pubs they are nice if you can't be bothered rushing lunar.

Thanks to the existence of grass boats making the sea alot more accessible you don't really have to find lunar to quickly get all the kelp you need but it's still very useful.

 

3 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Thats like saying wolfgangs double damage, wendys sis abigail and wanda's alarming clock

There's a bigger difference here Wolfgang is just 2 players worth of damage as is Wanda I don't particually see a issue with that I do feel like Abigail does border further on the edge of being cheesy just for how free she is.

 

3 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Catapults, merm guards and bunnymen take alot of time to build them up and are character perks. Cheese is another way of saying exploit to me.

The thing is they do work like a exploit yes they're strong and they're meant to be recruited in bulk but recruiting them in a massive bulk is a exploit despite Kiel not placing follower caps since bosses don't have proper methods to engage them beyond aoe.

 

3 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Followers are meant to be recruited and used for combat they are not exploits, same as you would craft and prep dark swords or thulecite clubs.

This is true but I doubt it was ever intended for the player to use 30-50 bunnymen, merm guards, or catapults.

 

3 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Hence, for example, why lots of people don't play Wurt, she has to invest to get her op-ness. People are massively turned off playing her for that reason. They prefer the quick access but lesser overall power of wendy and wolfgang. And that is the downside of merm guards even tho they destroy bee queen. And thats what makes them not a cheese method.

Tbf this doesn't apply as much anymore there are plenty of people playing Wurt these days and simply from players getting better at her I've seen people getting Wurt at end game levels of merm guards by day 20.

 

4 hours ago, Evelo said:

Currently as WW I am amassing Bunnymen to try and kill BQ (I've killed BQ alone with no assistance from bunnymen, pigs, etc.) It is just REALLY slow and boring to do it just by yourself. So I've proven my capabilities before, just speeding up the process.

No I get where your coming from but that's like saying I've proven that I'm really good at puzzle games and have completed many in the past but I look up the answer now just to save time. In this situation your right you did in fact do it previously but that's the past and this is the present.

 

4 hours ago, Evelo said:

If you are Wurt and use Merms. Not Cheese it's part of her character.
If you are Winona and use Catapults,; Not Cheese it is part of her character.

By this logic killing Fuel Weaver with the slingshot outside of his room is a legitimate non cheese way to kill him just because a perk belongs to a character doesn't mean it isn't cheesy it just comes down to context.

[Evelo]

3 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

No I get where your coming from but that's like saying I've proven that I'm really good at puzzle games and have completed many in the past but I look up the answer now just to save time. In this situation your right you did in fact do it previously but that's the past and this is the present.

 

By this logic killing Fuel Weaver with the slingshot outside of his room is a legitimate non cheese way to kill him just because a perk belongs to a character doesn't mean it isn't cheesy it just comes down to context.

But it isn't a puzzle, it is the same thing every time. It is more analagos to Raiding in WoW. People tend to require a specific achievement to prove you've killed the bosses before (called AotC, Ahead of the Curve). If you don't have it people on average, won't invite you to the raid.

It is cheese if the boss does not fight back or if you do not have to prevent damage via armor or other means. You still have to do the mechanics of the fight (Bee Queen screech, Fuelweaver Shield, Celestial Champion Sleep Crystals) It is just another means of dealing damage.
Toadstool Ice Flingomatic or Push it far away and block it using Lureplants is cheese because it removes the danger portion of the fight, all you have to bring are weapons, and axes. Using Ice Staves or Pan Flute to give you time to chop is not cheese since you still have to do the mechanics of running out with the spore or dodging the Boom Shrooms.
Bee Queen with Rabbits isn't cheese imo because in her final phase the Bunnymen tend to run around wildly because she screeches too frequently.

Anyway why are we talking about this when the post is an appreciation of Wormwood's (mostly) unique playstyle of not healing from food?

[Thrul]

edible

On 9/6/2022 at 2:19 AM, Gashzer said:

If playing solo yes i do the same, on pubs they are nice if you can't be bothered rushing lunar.

That is a very controversial opinion indeed! Thats like saying wolfgangs double damage, wendys sis abigail and wanda's alarming clock are also cheesing. Catapults, merm guards and bunnymen take alot of time to build them up and are character perks. Cheese is another way of saying exploit to me. Followers are meant to be recruited and used for combat they are not exploits, same as you would craft and prep dark swords or thulecite clubs.

Followers or catapults are a big investment for a big reward.

Hence, for example, why lots of people don't play Wurt, she has to invest to get her op-ness. People are massively turned off playing her for that reason. They prefer the quick access but lesser overall power of wendy and wolfgang. And that is the downside of merm guards even tho they destroy bee queen. And thats what makes them not a cheese method.

edible ffood is superior. use other types if you wanna seem different. your only reason is it doesnt spoil, but you could just make an amount that won't spoil. why would you use inedibles?

[loopuleasa]

On 8/30/2022 at 2:50 AM, GenomeSquirrel said:

in real life food is THE healing item, while salves are a secondary protection from infection

This is false.

When I am sick I don't go eat to heal.

[GamePlayer42]

Wormwood? More like SUCKWOOD CAUSE HE SUCKS

 

 

you guys can like wormwood but to me i just think thats just a slave to the farm

[Mysterious box]

53 minutes ago, GamePlayer42 said:

Wormwood? More like SUCKWOOD CAUSE HE SUCKS

 

 

you guys can like wormwood but to me i just think thats just a slave to the farm

Though alot of people see him as a farming character he's actually great for combat as well his easy sanity manipulation which means he synergizes well with dark swords, his special armor prevents stunlocking and deals decent damage to low hp hordes like spiders and bees and his traps are also good against hordes meaning he's a good horde fighter.

 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 hours ago, GamePlayer42 said:

Wormwood? More like SUCKWOOD CAUSE HE SUCKS

 

 

you guys can like wormwood but to me i just think thats just a slave to the farm

i play a lot of wormwood and people needs to ask me to help in farms because im doing everything but farming

[Thrul]

5 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Though alot of people see him as a farming character he's actually great for combat as well his easy sanity manipulation which means he synergizes well with dark swords, his special armor prevents stunlocking and deals decent damage to low hp hordes like spiders and bees and his traps are also good against hordes meaning he's a good horde fighter.

 

so woodie but difficult?

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Thrul said:

so woodie but difficult?

Debatable considering woodie has the potential has the potiental to be stunlocked vs hordes.

[MadMatt]

9 hours ago, Thrul said:

so woodie but difficult?

No because the two are incomparable. One is a monster at taking out hoards of specific enemies very quickly, the other has more broad hoard management with no downside associated with it. Considering you don't need to give up all your items, actions, and go through a lengthy transformation animation I think it'd be more accurate to say Wormwood is actually Woodie but easier...

[00petar00]

I never really used items as a main source of healing, there are blue caps and pierogi until you kill bee queen. If you are not new to the game, jellybeans should last you easily until bee queen respawns and you can just place catapults or build rabbit hutches around to make it easier to farm. Even if you kill bee queen without any assistance it is still worth it.