Hakimis Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Whatcha all think...? Is the maximum spawn limit (9) of wickerbottom's bees is g00d or bad? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Safety Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 If some of them die, is she immediately able to spawn them again, or is there some cooldown? If there's no cooldown, I'd say it's still really powerful. It just means you gotta bring a book with you if you want consistent minion upkeep and be ready to fight should you run out of summons. I haven't had the chance to do an actual run with her in the beta, but when I had a giant army of bees, I found that something would cause them to become hostile towards me before they would die, which is rare in and of itself. This nerf is justified imo. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1586786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyafriend Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 9 bees is enough to assist you. With the amount she could have she was feeling almost like a minion character. Glad it was nerfed m even if i wasn’t expecting it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1586788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakimis Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Dr. Safety said: If some of them die, is she immediately able to spawn them again, or is there some cooldown? If there's no cooldown, I'd say it's still really powerful. It just means you gotta bring a book with you if you want consistent minion upkeep and be ready to fight should you run out of summons. I haven't had the chance to do an actual run with her in the beta, but when I had a giant army of bees, I found that something would cause them to become hostile towards me before they would die, which is rare in and of itself. This nerf is justified imo. it has no cooldown but book has only 3 uses tho Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1586792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noaa Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I think a limit is fine. Since they're not exactly easy to manage and last forever, 9 is enough to make to be useful for the bossfights that you would use them. And you can bring more books to replace them as they die. I really don't think it's a problem. Maybe it could be bumped up to 12 or 18. I think more than 18 is a bit much though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1586800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Ellat_ Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Doesn't that book seem kinda out of place? Maybe it's just me but it feels weird that wickerbottom can spawn bee queens minions Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1586898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatt Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Bees have collision size. The limit should be set to the max of bees that can surround the biggest boss without getting stuck. Any more than that is much less useful anyways and affects server negatively. Idk what exactly that number is, but I think it's less than 30. Maybe 20 ish. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1586904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I think 18 would be a better number, both in investment and max damage output. 9 is a bit low. I mean 9 is still a decent DPS added to her but not that great, Glermz today suggested that maybe we could overcharge them to attack faster like bee queen does, maybe with bee queen helmet on or something, I think if that was the case 9 would be fine. But if not, 18 (2 books) sounds like a much more reasonable number between having a strong DPS support for bosses and not overcrowding the world in grumbles. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1586935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaisac HF Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I've been testing the bees a bit in combat, with some bosses, while for some bosses lower than dragonfly, the number of 9 is adequate, with others with much more health and attack, they fall short in damage and speed. (They barely dodge attacks, which makes them work worse on some bosses due to area attack, or fast attacks.) so i think they should be more than just 9 bees, or at least make them better fighters somehow. even despite the quantity they are still decent for some meat farms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1587048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakimis Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 7/21/2022 at 3:05 AM, Jaisac HF said: I've been testing the bees a bit in combat, with some bosses, while for some bosses lower than dragonfly, the number of 9 is adequate, with others with much more health and attack, they fall short in damage and speed. (They barely dodge attacks, which makes them work worse on some bosses due to area attack, or fast attacks.) so i think they should be more than just 9 bees, or at least make them better fighters somehow. even despite the quantity they are still decent for some meat farms. If the bees would be stronger BQ would be buffed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1592130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieDupe Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I thought the limit was 16? Or was it at some point and then it got nerfed? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1592208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrocator Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 It’s fine as long as she doesn’t become another minion character. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1592224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 4 hours ago, ZombieDupe said: I thought the limit was 16? Or was it at some point and then it got nerfed? I thought the same thing. 16 seems like more than enough without going crazy. Especially considering they aren't just your regular bees. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/141946-wickerbottom-bee-spawn-limit/#findComment-1592272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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