What Is a Wolfgang

[Gi-Go]

What is a Wolfgang? What is he and what is he for? He is a video game character and he is made for you to play as him.

But let's dive deeper, to learn and understand what this character is all about and why you should play him and not someone else. 

Well, his main perk is and always was more damage. I don't think anyone can deny this. But why would you want more damage? A lot of reasons, but in general it is used to beat things up and save you some resources, nerves and above all else - time.

It can be used for hunting, it can be used for self defence, but the most important use of all - it can be used for trophy hunting on boss monsters.

I always viewed this as Wolfgang's purpose, and if there are Wolfgang mains who play him not to do a boss rush or a boss speedrun - please speak up what you play him for, so that I at least knew you exist, and could tell you how wrong your life choices are.

What's the point of this thread? I want people to look back on the past, before swan diving into the future, and making a rework that will cause Wolfgang to loose himself.

Wolfgang used to be the best pick for a boss rush. Is he still? Not really, no. A mysterious timeline/lore/game balance breaking creature appeared in the constant, and you can even get the taste of her power yourself, for the low low price of 3.5$ (or a blood sacrifice of five human heads).
The best way to describe this... creature, and give you a sence of her little "perks" - is to use a movie quote:
"No other being has ever had the might... nay, the nobility... to wield not one, but two Infinity Clocks. The universe lies within your grasp." (c) - Maxwell probably.

If you haven't got it yet, I'm talking about Wanda - who has control over both power and space right now. Her theme is supposed to be time, but the only time themed perks she has are the "crushing speedrun world records perk", and a "bring someone back to life just to kill him again perk". Was that another "infinity stones" reference? Yes, yes it was.

Let's get to the point. Wolfgang lost his main purpose in life, as the only boss he is still best at is dragonfly, since he can kill her before Wanda can get her power clock. This rework must either make him get his purpose back, or find a new one.
I cannot for the love of God think of anything that will replace his purpose and isn't already someone else's, so let's talk about boss hunting more.
There is no denying that unless klei gonna turn Wolfgang into Saitama and give him a funny little Easter egg perk of having a 100% chance to kill anything in 1 hit, he will never surpass Wanda in boss rush. But does he have to? I don't think so.
It would be enough if Wolfgang was at the very least almost as good as Wanda in a single aspect of her many advantages that he used to do for a living - boss rush.

And with the way current rework going he is actually getting there. Easier might meter (to save time on food gather), classic double damage, ability to work harder (for ruins clearing and toadstool), ability to carry heavy things (needed for fuelweaver and celestial speedruns) ability to swim faster (an absolute must for celestial and crab king), and a uhh... wait, what? His movement speed got removed? Welp, there goes all hope of humanity.

I beg you on my knees klei, save Wolfgang's life! Show him mercy and teach him why you must never skip the legs day.

So yeah, this is yet another "return speed to Wolfgang" post and I just wasted 5 minutes of your life. You are welcome.

[Toroic]

I’m not sure if you’re trolling, but you’re definitely making weak arguments for why he needs a general speed boost.

But then if he got it I suspect you’d focus on complaining about some other aspect like gyms taking 8 seconds every 8 minutes.

[Gi-Go]

Please klei I beg you! I'll do anything! I'll give you all my spools and all my skins if I have to, even the ones that normally can't be removed like terraria ones (they look like *** toys anyways and make me uncomfortable). I'll watch dont starve twitch daily I'll buy all of Wolfgangs skins just please give me speed back! I'll even download new home and pay for add removal if that's what you want me to do.

 

 

Actually scratch that last part, even i'm not that desparate. 

[Cloakingsumo198]

Why can't Wanda and Wolfgang both be speedrunners like how Maxwell and woodie are gathers perhaps it may just break our reality if it were to be the case.

[Gi-Go]

8 minutes ago, Toros said:

I’m not sure if you’re trolling, but you’re definitely making weak arguments for why he needs a general speed boost.

But then if he got it I suspect you’d focus on complaining about some other aspect like gyms taking 8 seconds every 8 minutes.

It's a bit of both, the fact that klei haven't even addressed speed removal in update makes me loose hope and ability to take this rework seriously. 

If my points are bad then you must be the mystical Wolfgang main who dosen't do boss rushes. Please, teach me your ways. 

[petterr44]

20 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

I beg you on my knees klei, save Wolfgang's life!

Thank you for expressing how lots of us feel (with a humorous touch in these dark times!). We have all expressed how sad we are to see this, how the Wolfgang that is being proposed is simply not Wolfgang and pleaded Klei to save our Wolfgang. Unfortunately it feels like a lost cause at this point, specially seeing the beta update offering minor changes but still going forward with the rework in general.

Please do not do this.

[luvu2bits]

I'm convinced that Klei could literally just make Wolfgang as powerful and fun as possible and people would still not care at all because no speed boost

[Gi-Go]

1 minute ago, 0bit said:

I'm convinced that Klei could literally just make Wolfgang as powerful and fun as possible and people would still not care at all because no speed boost

What makes you think that? Because we aren't happy about anything klei or fans offered so far? That's just not true. I absolutely adore the idea of throwing dumbbells or heavy potatoes at my enemies. But the first one does tentacle damage for purple gem at best and axe damage for rocks at worst (and I mean real tentacle/axe damage not the double one Wolfgang does) and the second one dosen't even exist and probably never will just because klei don't feel like drawing 4 animations. 

But work speed instead of movement speed is like rushing ruins for pickaxeaxe instead of magiluminesence - RIDICULOUS. 

And I love animations klei make. They gonna turn him into this guy and I'll forget he ever had speed, cuz I'll be too bizy watching him carry boulders.

[Well-met]

if you are unable to cope then you can grab a mod from the workshop to revert wolfgang as you please

[Gi-Go]

Just now, Well-met said:

if you are unable to cope then you can grab a mod from the workshop to revert wolfgang as you please

Ah yes, speedrun featuring mods. The most legit thing there can be. 

[luvu2bits]

1 minute ago, Gi-Go said:

What makes you think that? Because we aren't happy about anything klei or fans offered so far? That's just not true. I absolutely adore the idea of throwing dumbbells or heavy potatoes at my enemies. But the first one does tentacle damage for purple gem at best and axe damage for rocks at worst (and I mean real tentacle/axe damage not the double one Wolfgang does) and the second one dosen't even exist and probably never will just because klei don't feel like drawing 4 animations. 

But work speed instead of movement speed is like rushing ruins for pickaxeaxe instead of magiluminesence - RIDICULOUS. 

You are at least being somewhat positive unlike the other Wolfgang vouchers
Yeah I agree dumbbell throwing is a little bit underwhelming, I can only ever see myself doing it to kill birds or rabbits because it's really funny 
Throwing heavy objects would be interesting and would definitely add onto the interesting nudges towards using the sculpting table, which is something I do like
I just... feel like all of the other benefits you get for being mighty now on top of how attaining and retaining mighty status costing way less... sort of makes up for the speed down. 

[Well-met]

1 minute ago, Gi-Go said:

Ah yes, speedrun featuring mods. The most legit thing there can be. 

competitive dont starve is the least legit thing i can think of right now

[Gi-Go]

1 minute ago, 0bit said:

You are at least being somewhat positive unlike the other Wolfgang vouchers
Yeah I agree dumbbell throwing is a little bit underwhelming, I can only ever see myself doing it to kill birds or rabbits because it's really funny 
Throwing heavy objects would be interesting and would definitely add onto the interesting nudges towards using the sculpting table, which is something I do like
I just... feel like all of the other benefits you get for being mighty now on top of how attaining and retaining mighty status costing way less... sort of makes up for the speed down. 

Well, to each their own I guess. For me - Wolfgang without speedrunning is exsactly what people who never liked him claimed he was. A very boring, very basic, very easy character without a downside and with strong but too straightforward upsides.

[luvu2bits]

2 minutes ago, Well-met said:

competitive dont starve is the least legit thing i can think of right now

I think the big divide here is the fact that characters are being balanced more around the team setting, but the playstyle of old Wolfgang is really selfish (no offense) 
Would love to say "just use a mod" or "just play singleplayer" but only PC has mods and singleplayer is practically an entire different game

[Gi-Go]

3 minutes ago, Well-met said:

competitive dont starve is the least legit thing i can think of right now

Speedrun is fun. 

[Mangrove]

5 minutes ago, Well-met said:

if you are unable to cope then you can grab a mod from the workshop to revert wolfgang as you please

console players always left out of the conversation...

[Gi-Go]

4 minutes ago, Mangrove said:

console players always left out of the conversation...

As they should be. 

Do I have to say "it's just a joke" every time I'm being rude, to not loose social credit here? Please don't cry I'm not serious. 

[Gashzer]

Just now, Gi-Go said:

Speedrun is fun. 

Its so weird that speed running is done with one of the most powerful characters in the game and not wes with his speed balloon, like using wolfgang takes the least skill and ability from a competitive, ultimate show of skill, stand point.

[luvu2bits]

Just now, Gi-Go said:

Well, to each their own I guess. For me - Wolfgang without speedrunning is exsactly what people who never liked him claimed he was. A very boring, very basic, very easy character without a downside and with strong but too straightforward upsides.

I feel he's much more fun though, but I never was a speedrunner. Normally I'm always pro-speedrunner but this is a more complex case. This refresh was bound to displease a lot of people, why do you think they scheduled it so they could head off on holiday right after? This is the only refresh so far where the character's playerbase actually was AGAINST change, because they were so alright with the current state. Speedrunners and elite players have to accept that this game isn't only theirs. Even though they're valid and loyal players like anyone else, the game can't be balanced around them, that's just not what it's about. Wolfgang was great for YOU guys, but for anyone else he's not. This update could widen his playerbase immensely, which is just... a good thing. 
Who knows? Maybe Klei will find some way to give Wolfgang speed that satisfies everyone.

[Gi-Go]

1 minute ago, Gashzer said:

Its so weird that speed running is done with one of the most powerful characters in the game and not wes with his speed balloon, like using wolfgang takes the least skill and ability from a competitive, ultimate show of skill, stand point.

About to blow your mind, speedrunning is done with an intent to be fast. 

That said, I definitely do it with wes some times, and ever since the year of the beefalo his downsides became a work around gimmick. 

[Mike23Ua]

14 minutes ago, 0bit said:

I think the big divide here is the fact that characters are being balanced more around the team setting, but the playstyle of old Wolfgang is really selfish (no offense) 
Would love to say "just use a mod" or "just play singleplayer" but only PC has mods and singleplayer is practically an entire different game

I’ve pitched this suggestion before: I will do it again time and time again until Klei tells me to shut up.. or they take the suggestion seriously- There are world Gen OPTIONS to host your worlds as “Together” or “Classic” when you host Classic it dates back to PRE Reign of Giants content: Removing Dragonfly’s Biome and everything- It SHOULD also allow players to play characters in their Pre-Rework status making Classic truly mean “Classic” As much as I absolutely LOVE Wendy’s rework I sometimes miss the dumb Abigail AI that Required me to kite enemies into her or pick her flower back up in the dangerous area she died within.

Why does everything need to be a Mod?? Why can’t Klei let us truly play “Classic” or “Together” play styles? This lets you have BOTH Pre-Rework playing AND Reworked Playing.

that’s literally the only way Klei is ever going to satisfy everyone.

[Mangrove]

7 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Do I have to say "it's just a joke" every time I'm being rude, to not loose social credit here? Please don't cry I'm not serious. 

Don't worry, I'm just playing along

[Gi-Go]

4 minutes ago, 0bit said:

I feel he's much more fun though, but I never was a speedrunner. Normally I'm always pro-speedrunner but this is a more complex case. This refresh was bound to displease a lot of people, why do you think they scheduled it so they could head off on holiday right after? This is the only refresh so far where the character's playerbase actually was AGAINST change, because they were so alright with the current state. Speedrunners and elite players have to accept that this game isn't only theirs. Even though they're valid and loyal players like anyone else, the game can't be balanced around them, that's just not what it's about. Wolfgang was great for YOU guys, but for anyone else he's not. This update could widen his playerbase immensely, which is just... a good thing. 
Who knows? Maybe Klei will find some way to give Wolfgang speed that satisfies everyone.

It's not because we were alright with current state. I mean I was, but only untill rework beta. It made me understand how much I needed these quality of life changes. That being said, klei chopped his legs off and I'm litteraly crying and shaking right now I thought this was a PG rating game.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

39 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Please klei I beg you! I'll do anything! I'll give you all my spools and all my skins if I have to, even the ones that normally can't be removed like terraria ones (they look like *** toys anyways and make me uncomfortable). I'll watch dont starve twitch daily I'll buy all of Wolfgangs skins just please give me speed back! I'll even download new home and pay for add removal if that's what you want me to do.

 

 

Actually scratch that last part, even i'm not that desparate. 

c_speed(value)

im waiting that juicy spools

[Gi-Go]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

c_speed(value)

im waiting that juicy spools

Plot twist. I'm smarter than I look and used all my spools on Wanda before proposal.