Thoughts (and Prayers) on the Wolfgang Refresh

[HowlVoid]

5 minutes ago, QuartzBeam said:

 

 

I mean, yeah, but given that one of mighty form's few non-combat applications is carrying giant crops (which stops Might drain), it would be weird to have to wait before you can break the crops open.

You could gather them all in one place and then hammer the. 

Wouldn't the whole point of the meter and easily accessible mighty points to have better control over mighty?

How about this:

If Wolfgang stands still for a long period of time he'll start flexing causing his meter to drain rapidly. The also induces a fear effect on nearby mobs.

[QuartzBeam]

36 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

If Wolfgang stands still for a long period of time he'll start flexing causing his meter to drain rapidly. The also induces a fear effect on nearby mobs.

Nah, that's boring.

Instead, he should be able to prick himself with a stinger, causing his muscles to deflate rapidly.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, QuartzBeam said:

Nah, that's boring.

Instead, he should be able to prick himself with a stinger, causing his muscles to deflate rapidly.

booster shot to fill mighty meter at cost of hp 

[QuartzBeam]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

booster shot to fill mighty meter at cost of hp 

Inhale Wes's balloons for instant Might gain.

I should donate my brain to science.

[HowlVoid]

5 minutes ago, QuartzBeam said:

Nah, that's boring.

Instead, he should be able to prick himself with a stinger, causing his muscles to deflate rapidly.

Does that indirectly mean that Wes can increase Wolfgang's meter by blowing up his arms?

Damn op team.

2 minutes ago, QuartzBeam said:

Inhale Wes's balloons for instant Might gain.

I should donate my brain to science.

Ah damn you beat me

But I think my suggestions is better, I want Wes to inflate him directly. 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Does that indirectly mean that Wes can increase Wolfgang's meter by blowing up his arms?

Damn op team.

sure... his arms

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[QuartzBeam]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

sure... his arms

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[HowlVoid]

6 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

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Nvm

[Mysterious box]

7 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Sistern isn't that good, its main use is to bring abigail back to full max hp quicker if she dies, the sanity buff to team isn't great.

Wolfgang can carry giant crops faster off farmplots now as his counter niche team utility lol.

Wolfgang can also farm spiders almost as well as wendy can now. He one hits them consistently now. So you can't say that combat perks are utility perks like chopping trees or farming crops. Wendy has no real utility same as wolfgang.

Sisturn is one of the best passive sanity sources providing a group of players with 25 sanity per min and Wendy also provides a defense debuff to enemies.

3 hours ago, Gashzer said:

cheap 2x damage which can be aquired early is a huge buff that sets wolfgang apart.

While it's a good damage buff both Webber and Wanda have comparable damage while having much better side benefits.

[Gashzer]

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

Sisturn is one of the best passive sanity sources providing a group of players with 25 sanity per min and Wendy also provides a defense debuff to enemies.

A tent or siesta gives 60 sanity a minute (120 per min healing also) and is available to every character and aren't expensive to craft - hunger drain on siesta is extremely low to boot + for only 2 silk, pure awesome! Sorry sisturn maybe you will be useful to a team someday...

The extra 10% damage buff abigail gives to teammates is ok, but if there are more that one person fighting a boss that 10% isn't noticeable, all bosses get destroyed when you fight with 3 or more people regardless who you play.

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

While it's a good damage buff both Webber and Wanda have comparable damage while having much better side benefits.

Wanda requires you to grind to tier 2 magic to craft alarming clock + be at low health for comparable damage, which is perfectly fine for pros not so much for casual players.

By the time you get an alarming clock for wanda, a decent wolfgang will have dfly dead an buried. She is better late game for sure but definitely not early game. You can't even craft a rift watch until winter! 

I love webber, you never see people use his spiders to fight bosses often in pub servers tho, im guessing its because of the grind it takes to get the strong spitter and nurse spiders (even using a ghost to force spider queen spawn). Plus its awkward to go into and out of caves with a spider army, just not as flexable as ole wolfgang. Pigs or bunnymen are also available to most characters and give a pretty good dps boost equal to a basic non-spitter spider army.

You also didn't mention wurt, her merm guards are the true boss killing dps follower of this game. Don't get scared by bee queen scream and do 50 damage. Hot dam they be awesome. If you can invest into them ofc...

[Cloakingsumo198]

7 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

A tent or siesta gives 60 sanity a minute (120 per min healing also) and is available to every character and aren't expensive to craft - hunger drain on siesta is extremely low to boot + for only 2 silk, pure awesome! Sorry sisturn maybe you will be useful to a team someday...

The extra 10% damage buff abigail gives to teammates is ok, but if there are more that one person fighting a boss that 10% isn't noticeable, all bosses get destroyed when you fight with 3 or more people regardless who you play.

Wanda requires you to grind to tier 2 magic to craft alarming clock + be at low health for comparable damage, which is perfectly fine for pros not so much for casual players.

By the time you get an alarming clock for wanda, a decent wolfgang will have dfly dead an buried. She is better late game for sure but definitely not early game. You can't even craft a rift watch until winter! 

I love webber, you never see people use his spiders to fight bosses often in pub servers tho, im guessing its because of the grind it takes to get the strong spitter and nurse spiders (even using a ghost to force spider queen spawn). Plus its awkward to go into and out of caves with a spider army, just not as flexable as ole wolfgang. Pigs or bunnymen are also available to most characters and give a pretty good dps boost equal to a basic non-spitter spider army.

You also didn't mention wurt, her merm guards are the true boss killing dps follower of this game. Don't get scared by bee queen scream and do 50 damage. Hot dam they be awesome. If you can invest into them ofc...

I see all the new players group hugging the sisterns and not all the time do people wish to sleep.  There are alternatives to most things in the game for reason and each with varying degrees of usefulness but they still have purpose

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

I see all the new players group hugging the sisterns and not all the time do people wish to sleep.  There are alternatives to most things in the game for reason and each with varying degrees of usefulness but they still have purpose

Yeah thats grand! but my point was wolfgang's easily accessible 2x damage is such an incredibly useful perk that he doesn't need anymore lesser perks that are not already added in his current beta state. Let's not give one character too many awesome perks lads please!

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Gashzer said:

Yeah thats grand! but my point was wolfgang's easily accessible 2x damage is such an incredibly useful perk that he doesn't need anymore lesser perks that are not already added in his current beta state. Let's not give one character too many awesome perks lads please!

so are you ok with a character that is wilson but with x2 damage if worked? i think i could be more fun

[Cloakingsumo198]

Just now, Gashzer said:

Yeah thats grand! but my point was wolfgang's easily accessible 2x damage is such an incredibly useful perk that he doesn't need anymore lesser perks that are not already added in his current beta state. Let's not give one character too many awesome perks lads please!

I see instant group healing and easy teleportation as pretty op, or all the things wicker can do with her books and some ingenuity, or wigfrids cheap everything, what about Wanda's crazy team teleports, or Wendy just murdering 100s of spiders together at once and most of the time that's not the only thing unique to their characters

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

I see instant group healing and easy teleportation as pretty op, or all the things wicker can do with her books and some ingenuity, or wigfrids cheap everything, what about Wanda's crazy team teleports, or Wendy just murdering 100s of spiders together at once and most of the time that's not the only thing unique to their characters

Hold on, you trying to imply 2x damage isn't op? Hahaha

Not every character needs to be a grindy team player, wolfgang is like kinda like wortox both have strong day 1 easy accessible abilities. Yes wortox can heal teammates during a boss fight but with a wolfgang on your team the boss will be dead before you even have to heal.

8 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

so are you ok with a character that is wilson but with x2 damage if worked? i think i could be more fun

Everyone knows wolfgang's ability to melt bosses' health bars is so much fun regardless of him being a wilson clone. Tbh the gym mini game is fun and so is throwing dumbells to aggro things. Thats enough for me.

[Cloakingsumo198]

2 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Hold on, you trying to imply 2x damage isn't op? Hahaha

Not every character needs to be a grindy team player, wolfgang is like kinda like wortox both have strong day 1 easy accessible abilities. Yes wortox can heal teammates during a boss fight but with a wolfgang on your team the boss will be dead before you even have to heal.

Everyone knows wolfgang's ability to melt bosses' health bars is so much fun regardless of him being a wilson clone. Tbh the gym mini game is fun and so is throwing dumbells to aggro things. Thats enough for me.

You're just trying to justify making Wolfgang a 1 trick pony that doesn't do anything outside of combat or bother fleshing him out for regular gameplay

Most of the of the other characters have more nuance and actual abilities aside from their one scenario. 

You act like free heals anytime in itself isn't op, lots of things in this game are op for the situation they call for.

[Gashzer]

Just now, Cloakingsumo198 said:

You're just trying to justify making Wolfgang a 1 trick pony that doesn't do anything outside of combat or bother fleshing him out for regular gameplay

But the rework wolfgang isn't a one trick pony, pre-rework wolfgang definitely is tho. New wolfgang can hunt koalafants much easier for food for the team now. Rowing speed boost for quick sea exploring for lunar island, heavy lifting for quick lunar altar assembly, weather resistance!

Old wolfgang, runs faster by eating half of the server... sounds very one trick pony to me.

[Mysterious box]

28 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

A tent or siesta gives 60 sanity a minute (120 per min healing also) and is available to every character and aren't expensive to craft - hunger drain on siesta is extremely low to boot + for only 2 silk, pure awesome! Sorry sisturn maybe you will be useful to a team someday...

One requires a a upkeep of flower petals and heals a groups sanity at the same time the other requires a specific time of day and is only 1 at a time it's a huge benefit as it's usefulness multiplies per person

 

29 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

The extra 10% damage buff abigail gives to teammates is ok, but if there are more that one person fighting a boss that 10% isn't noticeable, all bosses get destroyed when you fight with 3 or more people regardless who you play.

Same case here that's +10% damage per person meaning the fight ends that much faster with zero extra prep work

 

31 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Wanda requires you to grind to tier 2 magic to craft alarming clock + be at low health for comparable damage, which is perfectly fine for pros not so much for casual players.

By the time you get an alarming clock for wanda, a decent wolfgang will have dfly dead an buried. She is better late game for sure but definitely not early game. You can't even craft a rift watch until winter! 

Doesn't require a pro to make use of Wanda's damage as you can take quite afew hits with old age so long as your using proper armor this is as misleading as saying only pros fight bosses also why should it matter if it takes longer to make a rift watch if your only playing until winter bossing doesn't even matter but yes if you only intend to play till winter I guess Wolfgang is better but also keep in mind you techincally still can make rift watches outside of winter if your willing to put in the extra effort.

35 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

I love webber, you never see people use his spiders to fight bosses often in pub servers tho, im guessing its because of the grind it takes to get the strong spitter and nurse spiders (even using a ghost to force spider queen spawn). Plus its awkward to go into and out of caves with a spider army, just not as flexable as ole wolfgang. Pigs or bunnymen are also available to most characters and give a pretty good dps boost equal to a basic non-spitter spider army.

This more so comes down to people being uninformed on how to properly use him alot of players tend ot try to make his followers by using the crafting method rather than using baskets which is very fast as for going in and out of caves all that's necessary is to build a friendship pen at a entrance you use it's not like you need to go in and out of them a lot outside of ruins and boss runs. I'd argue their more flexible than Wolfgang and other followers because:

1. no upkeep required

2. free healing

3. if you for whatever reason run low on supplies they can become emergency rations

But even that aside pigs and bunnymen for the most part can't compare to spiders specifically due to them being so self sufficient. Also I don't bring up Wurt simply because I don't really see her as a worthwhile dps character her army is more trouble than it's worth and there's just better options. 

[Cloakingsumo198]

2 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

But the rework wolfgang isn't a one trick pony, pre-rework wolfgang definitely is tho. New wolfgang can hunt koalafants much easier for food for the team now. Rowing speed boost for quick sea exploring for lunar island, heavy lifting for quick lunar altar assembly, weather resistance!

Old wolfgang, runs faster by eating half of the server... sounds very one trick pony to me.

Except a slight increase in weather resistance sucks, the rowing aspect could apply to alot more of the physical actions Wolfgang does, and Wolfgang already lifted heavy items faster than other people so that's not even new. I like the bell tossing but fr koalaphants you could run them into the wall or carry a boomerang

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Also I don't bring up Wurt simply because I don't really see her as a worthwhile dps character her army is more trouble than it's worth and there's just better options. 

people forget that she can amass an army in the first days by giving seeds, berries or carrots to the merms from the swamp

[Mysterious box]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

people forget that she can amass an army in the first days by giving seeds, berries or carrots to the merms from the swamp

Honestly I used to consider this a big benefit but food is easy to amass so this doesn't really matter if pigs didn't sleep I could have a horde of pig followers on the first days as well but since they do I don't yes I get they can help with gathering some resources early game if you find the swamp early but I don't see that as a major bonus.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

Honestly I used to consider this a big benefit but food is easy to amass so this doesn't really matter if pigs didn't sleep I could have a horde of pig followers on the first days as well but since they do I don't yes I get they can help with gathering some resources early game if you find the swamp early but I don't see that as a major bonus.

well they can help you gathering rocks and logs or getting 2 scales rushing df for example

if spiders are useful for weeber why merms not?

[Mike23Ua]

6 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Honestly I used to consider this a big benefit but food is easy to amass so this doesn't really matter if pigs didn't sleep I could have a horde of pig followers on the first days as well but since they do I don't yes I get they can help with gathering some resources early game if you find the swamp early but I don't see that as a major bonus.

You underestimate what as little as two Merms can do.. I can start to chop a tree or mine a Boulder: Cancel out to save tool durability and then watch as my two workers clear the entire biome being VERY Dedicated to their task.

[Gashzer]

Wurt is such an underrated character. Her ability to use seasonal fish efficiently for heat and cold is absolute top tier quality of life perk for late game play. Webbers spiders get more awkward as the game progresses (having to herd them in a pen everytime you don't want them and hope to god a frog rain doesn't aggro them)

Wurt is opposite, when you are finished with merm guards you get them to kill each other, half a day they come back, ready for action!

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

well they can help you gathering rocks and logs or getting 2 scales rushing df for example

if spiders are useful for weeber why merms not?

Because spiders don't have the pitfalls merms do and have multiple big advantages in their favor they don't get lost, are directly influenceable, self sustaining, and don't have a anchor for maximum combat effectiveness they're not horrible per say they just ask to much for what they give back. It's also kinda hard for them to compete when one straight up has a better follower structure and limitless loyalty.