peachkillu Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 So here’s my thought polluted o2 from vent feed it to puft algea distiller convert slime into algae gulp fish tank convert polluted water into clean and algea into polluted dirt compost polluted dirt into dirt the numbers look perfect just a ton of cooling depending on how hot your o2 is but I can’t wait to get home and try this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickerooni Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 That nets you 6-10% of your Po2 as dirt, depending what you do with the polluted water. You can do better. How’s 25% sound? Whats the vent output? You can calculate how much sleet wheat it’ll support. https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99497-sustainable-dirt-for-sleet-wheat/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 you can cook the slime into dirt and cut out the middle man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachkillu Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 But the ratio of polluted water to algea then to polluted dirt then to clean dirt is exactly what is needed for sleetwheat it1/2 algea/polluted water out of the algea distiller 1/2 algea/polluted dirt out of the gulp fish making 1/4 polluted dirt/polluted water which both convert to clean dirt clean water using compost and the gulp fish exactly what you need for the sleetwheat all these numbers I got from the wiki not sure if they are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I wouldn't mind checking the numbers for you since I'm a big fan of farming dirt for sleet wheat unfortunately I'm on my way to work right now so I can't check till this evening But what I can tell you is that sub staining paku with algae distilled from Puffs slime isn't very substantial unless you are able to farm lots and lots of puffs which is unlikely with a single PO2 to vent Better to keep the pacu Wild and collect the meat for compost, you'll get plenty of egg shells too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachkillu Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Neotuck said: I wouldn't mind checking the numbers for you since I'm a big fan of farming dirt for sleet wheat unfortunately I'm on my way to work right now so I can't check till this evening But what I can tell you is that sub staining paku with algae distilled from Puffs slime isn't very substantial unless you are able to farm lots and lots of puffs which is unlikely with a single PO2 to vent Better to keep the pacu Wild and collect the meat for compost, you'll get plenty of egg shells too Haven’t thought about the critter consumption issue i do plan on using gulp fish that convert the polluted water into clean that might help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, peachkillu said: Haven’t thought about the critter consumption issue i do plan on using gulp fish that convert the polluted water into clean that might help I don't think gulpfish gain kcal from PW directly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachkillu Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Very quick math I think you can get 14 sleetwheat per gulp fish but you need like 30 pufts per gulp fish and they need a **** ton of po2 something like 900kg per day I think I hope my math is just wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, peachkillu said: Very quick math I think you can get 14 sleetwheat per gulp fish but you need like 30 pufts per gulp fish and they need a **** ton of po2 something like 900kg per day I think I hope my math is just wrong Unfortunately that math sounds right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 As ever, pufts are crap. So are morbs. Until Klei show them some love, any sizeable builds that rely on them generally become resource hogs due to how many you need. Sucks, but it's just how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickerooni Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 56 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: As ever, pufts are crap. So are morbs. Until Klei show them some love, any sizeable builds that rely on them generally become resource hogs due to how many you need. Sucks, but it's just how it is. I disagree. Pufts are great! Or do you think the 0.5 loss on the PO2 is a pain? Use the principle of, only-****-***-the-breeders. I came across a post with tips on how to get large puft colonies with little maintenance. * A puft room with 1 or two pufts to produce puft princes. * A puft prince room with 1-6 puft princes to produce pufts. * Egg dumping grounds filled with unloved pufts. (When I do this, I need two rooms, so my ranches aren’t constantly doing unnecessarily wrangling, but the principle is the same) This scales pretty well to as many pufts as one might need. Since you only need to ranch/pet a few of them (2-8). And, 20 pufts can net you 150 kg of dirt per day off of 1kg/second of PO2. That’s already enough dirt for 30-35 sleet wheats depending on if you fertilize them. You’re likely to be running out of water before you have an dupe-unsustainable puft colony. Searching the forums for the post is an exercise left to the reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 @Nickerooni What @Lifegrow probably was referring to is keeping up with the PO2 demand of the Pufts, not the conversion rate. And if the end goal is pacu farming then the amount of PO2 to support enough Pufts to keep pacu supplied with algae is unrealistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhiraz Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 10 hours ago, Nickerooni said: 11 hours ago, Lifegrow said: As ever, pufts are crap. So are morbs I disagree. Pufts are great! Or do you think the 0.5 loss on the PO2 is a pain i have done puft farming to slime to algie distiller to gulpfish to polluted dirt to dirt and believe me even with 1 po2 gyser its not worth it complete out of ratio gulpfish are demanding and so are puft they dont produce much slime to become sustainable @Lifegrow is right they sucks , they will be great if klei decide to tweak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishakaru Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 10 hours ago, abhiraz said: i have done puft farming to slime to algie distiller to gulpfish to polluted dirt to dirt and believe me even with 1 po2 gyser its not worth it complete out of ratio gulpfish are demanding and so are puft they dont produce much slime to become sustainable Er... why not pO2->puft->slime->cooked dirt? I'll have to double check but someone on discord said that slime=2xdirt tile, which means it comes out at 1:1 slime to dirt after mining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, ishakaru said: I'll have to double check but someone on discord said that slime=2xdirt tile, which means it comes out at 1:1 slime to dirt after mining. I have cooked slime before and it only makes 1 tile so it's a 2:1 slime to dirt ratio but that doesn't mean it's a bad idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishakaru Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 @Neotuck He said the mass was 2x. But even so, pO2->Puft->slime->distiller(looping pH20 into pO2 for pufts)->algae has a 25% efficiency ratio. Cooking the algae into dirt is equal to feeding it to pacu and then composting the pDirt. So looking at 12.5% vrs 25% cooked slime after mining with a 1x mass conversion. The big problem with cooked dirt is offloading the heat, but that can be a problem for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I did many test myself when I was looking for alternative ways to make dirt What I found out is that you can cook fertilizer algae and slime into dirt, but there was no Mass change when they converted into a tile so all of them resulted in a 50% loss when mined. Ironically polluted dirt does not cooked into dirt but it will eventually cooking to sand if heated up enough. As for cooling it's actually quite easy if you have a cold room with metal tiles simply have a conveyor will run through those metal tiles and it will cool the dirt very quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachkillu Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 @ishakaru what I liked was that I could drop my algea distiller in a 0 degree room with some gulp fish and a compost heap and my output would be exactly the right ratio and temp for a sleet wheat farm no extra water nobover production of dirt it’s just a done deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, peachkillu said: @ishakaru what I liked was that I could drop my algea distiller in a 0 degree room with some gulp fish and a compost heap and my output would be exactly the right ratio and temp for a sleet wheat farm no extra water nobover production of dirt it’s just a done deal I believe compost generates heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishakaru Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I have some other heat related testing to do tonight, so I'll just add this to the todo list. I like knowing what I'm doing before I do it in survival anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickerooni Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, ishakaru said: @Neotuck He said the mass was 2x. But even so, pO2->Puft->slime->distiller(looping pH20 into pO2 for pufts)->algae has a 25% efficiency ratio. Cooking the algae into dirt is equal to feeding it to pacu and then composting the pDirt. So looking at 12.5% vrs 25% cooked slime after mining with a 1x mass conversion. The big problem with cooked dirt is offloading the heat, but that can be a problem for another day. It’s not even 12.5% if you use an algae distiller. Even if you recycle the pH2O to pO2, the best you can get is around 10%. That’s because the pO2 loses half it’s mass every time you turn it to slime. To get 25% you have to cook the slime directly into dirt. You lose 50% from the pufts and another 50% when you mine it. As for the heat: cooling 250 g/s of dirt from 130 degrees to 0 degrees is a paltry 0.065 kdtu/s. That’s nothing. Making it conductive enough to take out the heat is hard though. Dropping it on a metal tile is the best I can come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishakaru Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Nickerooni said: It’s not even 12.5% if you use an algae distiller. Even if you recycle the pH2O to pO2, the best you can get is around 10%. That’s because the pO2 loses half it’s mass every time you turn it to slime. I did the math. I did it the hard way(base formula copied down 20 cells in excell), but it is indeed 25% of pO2 to algae. If you don't feed pH2O back into the pufts then the output is 33.3...%*0.5 or 16.6...%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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