avc15 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 As before when this was a problem for a time: the water in the refiner gets much too hot causing output pipes to break. Then the current refining job finishes with no liquid output, and the water temp continues rising. Only viable option winds up being to deconstruct it, and then 500 kg of steam explodes everywhere causing a big mess to clean up. Since I missed this one last time it was a problem, can anyone make a recommendation on how to deal with it? I'm trying to make steel so hatches aren't a viable substitute. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, avc15 said: can anyone make a recommendation on how to deal with it? Use colder liquid. You could cycle your 40C sink/toilet pH20 a few times before sending it back to sieve. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avc15 Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Grimgaw said: Use colder liquid. You could cycle your 40C sink/toilet pH20 a few times before sending it back to sieve. I'm sending 32C liquid. In one refining cycle the output temp goes above 100C and breaks the output pipe. Colder still? Seems incorrect. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemadden Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Yeah, colder. Steel production in particular dumps a ton of heat into the coolant. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 The bug is back in your case. Try maybe a shutoff on input with element sensor on output to make sure the cold water doesn't mix with hot output. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avc15 Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 I see. Well, should be easy enough to make a small pool of petroleum for coolant. Is this a bug or exactly the intended result? I could post a report but it sounds like this behavior is expected. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, avc15 said: Is this a bug or exactly the intended result? Type 'refinery' in bugs section of forums and you'll quickly find out your answer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 It seems intended, but you could use 40C polluted water, with higher vaporization point. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 no bug, steel just makes too much heat for water Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachunga Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 It's a bug where any used coolant still in the refinery when another job is completed heats up in addition to new coolant. The screenshot shows 697kg of new coolant and 490kg of used coolant. Each job uses 400kg of coolant. I would guess 100 kg of used coolant was waiting to exit the refinery when the previous job was completed. That coolant heated up again becoming superheated and broke the pipes once released. The work around is to not use the refinery so long as any used coolant is still inside. The easiest way to do that is with an element sensor on the first exit pipe connected to the refinery through a not gate. If there is liquid in that first exit pipe segment, there is probably used coolant inside and the refinery should be disabled. If you want to use the refinery before automation becomes available, don't queue jobs and manually do one job once the used coolant has exited. A liquid reservoir is useful here to provide space for that 400kg of liquid to go, previously I used large lengths of pipe. This bug has been around for a very, very long time. It's even in the known issue thread. You can exploit this bug to create large quantities of superheated stuff by blocking the exit. Each job adds another 400kg of coolant to the used pile and keeps heating it regardless of how much is there. Obviously you need to use coolant that can take the heat, 56C for steel with water. But I doubt that was the problem here. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, wachunga said: n element sensor on the first exit pipe connected to the refinery through a not gate I`m not sure if that works. Pipe sensors don`t change their state if the pipe is empty afaik. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachunga Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: I`m not sure if that works. Pipe sensors don`t change their state if the pipe is empty afaik. It absolutely does work. Why would I post something if I didn't know wtf I was talking about? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 because the bug you describe is not the cause of the problem so clearly your posting about something you don't know about..... steel creates more heat than iron and unless your water is below 28c before you send it to the refinery, its likely to blow out lines coming out the other end because of Steel..... Either use a different coolant (oil/petroleum) or create a thermal check valve to make sure only 28c and below gets to the refinery Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachunga Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Kabrute said: because the bug you describe is not the cause of the problem so clearly your posting about something you don't know about..... steel creates more heat than iron and unless your water is below 28c before you send it to the refinery, its likely to blow out lines coming out the other end because of Steel..... Either use a different coolant (oil/petroleum) or create a thermal check valve to make sure only 28c and below gets to the refinery The bug I describe is very much the cause of this problem. Frankly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. If you would mouse over the heat number on the refinery you would see the real number that the coolant is raised by. Since I'm a nice guy, I will do it for you. The third pic shows a refinery with 800kg of 39.8C water coolant. After a job of steel production it now has 400kg of 39.8C new coolant and 400kg of 95.8C used coolant as shown by the fourth pic. A difference of 56C! The last pic shows a second steel production job which heats both the remaining 400kg of new 39.8C coolant and the 400kg of used 95.8C coolant for a total of 800kg of used 123.8C coolant (((39.8+56)+(95.8+56))/2). Just like I said, amazing! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priitm Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 agree with wachunga, excatly what i have been experienced. For steal you need some cold ice biome pwater or oil based coolant. My setup for now is that i use crude oil as coolant and send it directly into refinery - dont matter that temp goes up to 270C... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 then file a bug report on averaged adjusted outputs because that doesn't make any sense for your refinery to do that, I don't understand how your system is doing that because mine isn't having those problems or behaving in that way. Please file a bug report because that behavior is not what I would call expected. its also not the bug that was being had before. The prior bug just kept adding the new heat to the old heat value and applying that to the outgoing coolant with no averaging so first found 40 in, 96 out, second round 40 in, 151 out, third round 40 in, 207 out thats why the numbers threw me off, I just figured they adjust shc of water or something and I missed that detail...(happened to pwater) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Kabrute said: then file a bug report on averaged adjusted outputs because that doesn't make any sense for your refinery to do that, I don't understand how your system is doing that because mine isn't having those problems or behaving in that way. Please file a bug report because that behavior is not what I would call expected. I've counted at least 3 bug reports on this very issue unchecked for more than a month. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 fresh one wont hurt. I've posted some bugs again and again and I will keep posting them about once per update each time I encounter them fresh. Case in point the sandyblueprint bug I first posted about it back in may/june, new bug report on it last night because its still in the preview build. and they might just fix it "this time around" if we keep bringing it up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95118-is-the-refiner-bug-back-or-am-i-doing-something-wrong/#findComment-1080521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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