Kabrute Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 At first glance its nothing special.... But thats the off state.... its resting. When pressure is high enough to trigger the sensor, the first door will open, the pump will run. If pressure falls too low system will cycle through before locking down then opening the vacuum. This little diddy is straight west (left) all the way from printer. no deletion no debug Systematic League.sav Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
martosss Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 You can optimize the logic a bit, if you rotate the bottom left filter, you can move the AND gate and the 2 NOT gates to the left... or maybe there's a much simpler way to do it altogether? ... So what are you pumping? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1062744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vectrobe Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 cant imagine why they nerfed it the last update... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1062769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamLogan Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Paul17041993 said: cant imagine why they nerfed it the last update... Maybe because it was a glitch? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1062865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swagtwack Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Paul17041993 said: cant imagine why they nerfed it the last update... Not much of a nerf, doors are just a bit slower now when not powered, wouldn't this still work with slight modification? I wouldn't want to get rid of the only way to move high volumes of gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1062875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 This particular pump is a lox(liquid oxygen) O2 retrieval pump, it needs thermal isolation when not pumping hence the vacuum state during rest. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vectrobe Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 6 hours ago, SamLogan said: Maybe because it was a glitch? maybe... maybe... 6 hours ago, swagtwack said: Not much of a nerf, doors are just a bit slower now when not powered, wouldn't this still work with slight modification? I wouldn't want to get rid of the only way to move high volumes of gas. I'm pretty sure they still work the exact same way, they're just slower and less effective unless you power them, of which you only need 120W for each actively moving door, so in my shot above that's only 1KW of doors. I don't use this system anymore though anyway with the advent of metal pipes, it's just simpler to use a condenser system akin to IRL steam generation (heat > turbine > condenser > repeat). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzeTheGreat Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 What am I missing that makes this more efficient/better than a much smaller/simpler version like this? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 thermal isolation when not running Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzeTheGreat Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kabrute said: thermal isolation when not running Yeah, what I posted does that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 I don't understand how your setup works, could you please share a save? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzeTheGreat Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kabrute said: I don't understand how your setup works, could you please share a save? You can see it working here, though there's a lot of other stuff going on. OilBoilerv3.sav Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 it does what you say technically but your using a buffer to control the reset and there is no permanent shutdown state with your system, its always running, just with different intervals you set. Mine is enviromentally driven, hands free. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzeTheGreat Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kabrute said: it does what you say technically but your using a buffer to control the reset and there is no permanent shutdown state with your system, its always running, just with different intervals you set. Mine is enviromentally driven, hands free. If the atmospheric switch turns on, it holds the pulse clock, and stops the system in the rest state with a vacuum in the middle. The one you looked at is probably just never switching off because it always has enough gas to be pumping out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 again with my not understanding, off is on and on is off, ok cool. I was fiddling with the switch and couldn't get it to rest (mainly because I was trying to achieve the off state and was already there..... they are similar though mine has a larger potential throughput(more vacuum) as I have a pump inside the pump as it were. This inner pump being segmented out makes the system scalable. Also mine has dependent feedback regulators to guarantee everything is working as it should. Your setup is simple, and brilliant, perfect Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 Spoiler uses 1 less And gate, this one is pointing the other direction(pO2 injector) and it doesn't work.... one sec... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 the red line coming in from the bottom is the switch(in this case thermal) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 19 hours ago, Kabrute said: Mine is enviromentally driven, hands free. @Kabrute 1:0 @AzeTheGreat Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 no no, theirs works to, but on is off on theirs while mine is on is on. It was a switching misunderstanding and messing with the bottom buffer gate on their pump lets you set intervals between pumps Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93395-vacuum-door-pump/#findComment-1063569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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