Kuirem Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Lately I've been thinking about Morbs. Those cutty, slimmy critters are the only one you can "spawn" in the game thanks to Outhouse and they are an infinite source of precious oxygen. The problem is that it comes in the form of Polluted Oxygen infected by Slimelung. I know that there are design to use them combined with Pufts for Slime (though it's really slow) and also designs to turn PO into O by Liquefacting it (but it use lots of energy). My idea was to just cool the gas to <10°C, which shouldn't take more than a couple of Thermo Regulators, and release it as PO since Slimelung won't survive under that temperature. So I have a couple of questions on that : As anyone ever tried such a design? Is there any downside to it besides the risk of massive Slimelung spread if you are not careful ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelflame Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The issue is exactly that, the risk. If you don't end up purifying it all the way into O2, if even just a single germ slips through your base is as good as dead if its based on PO2 breathing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1007980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuirem Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 Maybe I could just cool my base to 10°C and have all my duplicants wear Warm Sweaters Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1007982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 You could just cool it and not have them wear it, I never make clothes for my dupes. You could always make Chlorine gas rain in from above and get removed at the bottom. Should kill germs Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1007991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuirem Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 If the whole colony is <10°C dups get cold quickly, even warm clothes might not be enough. Chlorine doesn't work on gas, as Steelflame said a single germ of slimelung will end the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1007993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Kuirem said: If the whole colony is <10°C dups get cold quickly, even warm clothes might not be enough. Chlorine doesn't work on gas, as Steelflame said a single germ of slimelung will end the game. Must just be my game then, I flood slimelung pockets with chlorine and it dies. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuirem Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 Weird I might give it an other go when I have time, coupling Morb PO² production with an emergency Chlorine system could be a viable way to produce O² then. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 There are pros and cons to all forms of oxygen production so it will depend on what resources you have plenty of. Deodorizers might be a good solution if you have plenty of sand and have an air pump automated with a germ sensor Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuirem Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, Neotuck said: There are pros and cons to all forms of oxygen production so it will depend on what resources you have plenty of. Deodorizers might be a good solution if you have plenty of sand and have an air pump automated with a germ sensor That's not the solution that I wanted to discuss here, while Deodorizers is indeed a good solution I don't like that it rely on a finite resource. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kuirem said: That's not the solution that I wanted to discuss here, while Deodorizers is indeed a good solution I don't like that it rely on a finite resource. So having your dupes breath cold PO? even without the slimelung breathing PO will increase stress and lower immunity Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuirem Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 So there are other downsides beside the risk of Slimelung infection! Thanks I didn't knew about the stress and immunity effect. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I never knew about the immunity either, I know stress and hypothermia are a problem with cold systems.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Not sure if there's any immunity changes by just being in a cold area ? Not done much testing mind you... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuirem Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: Not sure if there's any immunity changes by just being in a cold area ? Not done much testing mind you... What if you make a dup breath Polluted Oxygen? Does it lower immunity? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kuirem said: What if you make a dup breath Polluted Oxygen? Does it lower immunity? oxygen is oxygen - only difference is the potential for germ-breeding Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The only renewable option I know of to clean the polluted o2 is via liquification. If you can liquify the polluted o2 then heat it, it becomes clean o2. I use heat exchangers to transfer heat from incoming polluted o2 to the cold o2 and then thermoregulators with hydrogen with a radiator design to push the polluted o2 the rest of the way. The heat exchanger can make them much cheaper powerwise to the point where you only need a small number of thermoregulators. The throughput of such a system is only dependant on the size, polluted O2 input, and power you put in to the system. On cold polluted O2: keeping the polluted O2 at that temp in your base is hard. You can cool the incoming stuff to kill the germs, but keeping the base that cold will not be easy. Too many things put out heat. It could work though. I feel like it might take as much power per dupe as a liquid o2 system. I recommend trying to build it and see how it works. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrough Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I use morbs as my early- and mid-game solution to getting rid of loose CO2(leaks from the larder or farms or any that doesn't make it into the basement to wait for slicksters). I have some low concentrations of germs where they are located, but spamming deodorizers and keeping the my fresh air at high pressure has made the germs a non-issue. I also maintain caution and safe practices when messing around with the slime outside of my base to not compound the germ potential. I can add some screenshots later when I have more time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuirem Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Zarquan said: On cold polluted O2: keeping the polluted O2 at that temp in your base is hard. You can cool the incoming stuff to kill the germs, but keeping the base that cold will not be easy. Too many things put out heat. It could work though. I feel like it might take as much power per dupe as a liquid o2 system. I recommend trying to build it and see how it works. It seems like a perfect job for the Anti Entropy Thermo-Nullifier Aquatuners combined with Polluted Water is also great to generate cool. I think there are solutions to cool down the base, especially if I put away from the main area the main heat sources (battery, generators, etc). What I wonder is how hard it would be to manage dups body temperature. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Kuirem said: It seems like a perfect job for the Anti Entropy Thermo-Nullifier Aquatuners combined with Polluted Water is also great to generate cool. I think there are solutions to cool down the base, especially if I put away from the main area the main heat sources (battery, generators, etc). What I wonder is how hard it would be to manage dups body temperature. 10 C is 50 F, which isn't too cold. I'm not an expert on how dupe's body temperature operates, but they shouldn't get hypothermia like that in oxygen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87967-using-morbs-to-provide-germless-polluted-oxygen/#findComment-1008154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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