AbyssalBeast Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 So I have a big issue with maintaining Oxygen levels and it is directly related to the law. Basically the Duplicants are 'consuming' oxygen and not producing an equivalent amount of waste to make up for. I had reports that 136 kg of oxygen was being consumed but when I opened the tab for carbon-dioxide or even contaminated oxygen there was less than 136 [in fact, 0 for carbondioxide and less than 20kg of contaminated oxygen.] The objects used to purify the carbon-dioxide and contaminated oxygen also do not produce an equivalent amount of clean air. Since you probably don't want to to be too easy and want there to be a purpose in building beyond cleaning those air sources I recommend making the Duplicants urinate/excrete waste in the form of using the bathroom and a small mixture of the other two so that way the player is forced to make the object that turns water into hydrogen and oxygen and is forced to make use out of the residual hydrogen somehow. It's such an apparent bug/error/logic flaw, that I am not copying and pasting a picture. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76319-law-of-conservation-of-mass-bug/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destros09 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 There is a point where you have to sacrifice science for fun in games, it's all part of balancing Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76319-law-of-conservation-of-mass-bug/#findComment-886723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulfe Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 On 3/17/2017 at 6:09 PM, AbyssalBeast said: So I have a big issue with maintaining Oxygen levels and it is directly related to the law. Basically the Duplicants are 'consuming' oxygen and not producing an equivalent amount of waste to make up for. I had reports that 136 kg of oxygen was being consumed but when I opened the tab for carbon-dioxide or even contaminated oxygen there was less than 136 [in fact, 0 for carbondioxide and less than 20kg of contaminated oxygen.] The objects used to purify the carbon-dioxide and contaminated oxygen also do not produce an equivalent amount of clean air. Just to check, when you say "opened up the tab", are you talking about the little categorized list on the top right hand corner (Breathable Gas, Raw Mineral, Edible, etc)? If so, just as a note, that only lists resources that are accessible to the dupes as "usable resources" (such as liquid oxygen, bottled water, copper lying on the ground, etc). It won't list oxygen or carbon dioxide that's floating around in the air. There are some conservation of mass issues in the non-Thermal Preview build, but for the most part things are better now, if you opt in to the beta preview. I'm not certain that your specific case, Oxygen to CO2, is perfect conservation, but if so, it'd be intentional, for gameplay reasons. Anyway, just wanted to clarify that categorized list in the upper right. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76319-law-of-conservation-of-mass-bug/#findComment-886812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risu Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Half the O2 breathed is converted to CO2. O2 consumed can be altered by traits but CO2 is always half. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76319-law-of-conservation-of-mass-bug/#findComment-886815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMuffins Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 That can't be right. My dupes breath in 75g/s of O2 and let out 1.5g/s of CO2. That's 50x less. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76319-law-of-conservation-of-mass-bug/#findComment-886889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destros09 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Destros09 said: There is a point where you have to sacrifice science for fun in games, it's all part of balancing Just bumping this up Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76319-law-of-conservation-of-mass-bug/#findComment-886891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothalin Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I prefer to think that the dupes are just close replicas to humans, and the unknown loss of mass is due to mini voids within the dupes bodies that actually suck the mass off to a different dimension. It is a lot easier to play the game that way! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76319-law-of-conservation-of-mass-bug/#findComment-886952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octyabr Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 They certainly have ant DNA, they are capable of carrying 600kg weighing only 30kg. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76319-law-of-conservation-of-mass-bug/#findComment-886970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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