Add the original Willow, Maxwell and Woodie as a server option

[narkoface]

Hi!

As the title suggests, I would like to play the singleplayer version of the mentioned characters with my friends. I think an option to make them use their original stats and skills wouldn't hurt anyone for example it's not a real threat for pvp as you can just disable it while setting up the server. But what about coop? Balance changes are meant to aim griefers who are most of the time strangers. However when you play with friends the changes are just harsh and make for example woodie a really unfun character (imo).

Sorry if this option is already aviable as a mod, then I would ask for its name.

[CaptainChaotica]

HELLS.

YES.

(And there is a mod called "Willow the Unnerfed", but some people--including me--don't use mods. The other two I don't know about.)

Seriously, this would solve everything.  Just make it an option that _the server's admin can CHOOSE to turn on or off_!  DONE!

...Notorious

[Quyzbuk]

Take the number of days this game has been out, subtract the number of hours you have played, and you'll get the number of times people have requested this but are too clueless to realize why they were changed in the first place.

 

They are NOT nerfed, they were made functional in this version of the game so that you are: 

1) Not accidentally (or intentionally) griefing others (Willow)

2) Not accidentally griefing yourself (Willow & especially Woodie)

3) Able to be more efficient in some cases than they were (Maxwell with his auto-workers and improved fighting shadows)

 

You do not want the original single player versions in multiplayer. Yes, it WILL hurt people to have them back, if you can't see how or why you should take more time to think about what purpose the changes served in the first place.

[CaptainChaotica]

...I KNOW why.  I know _all_ the why.  I am not stupid.  I have argued this point many, many times before.  In detail. 

And if you actually read the original post, you'd see that he was talking about putting them back in as an OPTION!  _That's_ what makes it a different suggestion from all the other complaints.  Make it something that the admin of an individual server can _decide_.

I KNOW the problems.  And all the ways that Willow can grief people, EVERY.  OTHER.  CHARACTER can also do with a torch.

...Notorious

 

[Quyzbuk]

It's still an awful idea even as an option (which you're lying to yourself if you think THAT wasn't suggested at some point either). They are outdated for the mechanics and type of gameplay DST changes from the original and apparently I need to spell out why (again).

 

Old Willow can grief herself and other people unintentionally with the insanity fire, that was the big strike against her. Messing up your own base can be shrugged off, but having to always worry that somebody is going to ruin you / others will earn anyone playing her instant hatred and distrust (you know, that thing you DON'T want in your community). Know what mode sees the most action? Survival. Know what happens when you have ghosts draining your sanity? That's right, uncontrolled fires.

Old Woodie drops ALL of his items on transformation and falls asleep when the Werebeaver wears off, and as we all know, sleep works differently in DST, making him a sitting duck while he's waking back up and then he STILL has to deal with the groggy effect... also a DST exclusive. You don't get the free pass of waking back up during the daytime, you could wake up at night with nothing to save yourself with - That's not difficulty by design, that's artificial because of changes to the game formula.

Old Maxwell would be absolutely OP in the PvP scene (not that you should be balancing too much around that anyway), and his old shadows need far more manipulating to be put to any effective use. The upkeep is just not worth the investment in a multiplayer setting.

 

So no, keep them as they are and get out of this denial that the new versions are inferior. Let the devs focus on continuing the new content production instead.

[narkoface]

I don't see where this aggression toward the topic comes from and now that I've found the mods for my problem (god bless modders) it doesn't really matter either. Thanks for the attention anyway.

[CaptainChaotica]

...is there any way to mute users on this thing?
Seriously, I've had it up to here with the nasty, hostile ARSEHOLES who come out of the woodwork every now and then.  "Shut up and stop whining" "So many people have said this, you're stupid for thinking it" "You're deluding yourself, silly ignorant child" (patronising pat on the head)

EFF.  OFF.

Just because my opinion is different from yours does NOT make me stupid, ignorant or wrong.  I am perfectly aware of all of Willow's problems.  You know what?  In singleplayer, she's my favourite character anyway and yes, I HAVE burned my base down a few times!  I am willing to put up with that for a character that is _fun_, rather than basically being Wilson with a different personality in terms of gameplay. And losing heat when insane in winter is freaking lethal.

Also, there is a HUGE difference between adding back the old versions of characters across the board, and doing it as an option.  You're acting as if there's no difference.  There is every difference in the WORLD between something you can choose to turn off, and something you can't!  THE OPTION VERSION IS _OPTIONAL_. IT CAN BE TURNED OFF.  I don't see where something you don't like even _existing_, at all, hurts you!

If you don't like an --optional-- mod*, then don't use it.  Don't play on servers that use it.

It's that simple.

Narkoface, I apologise for what's happened to your perfectly innocent topic.  It shouldn't have.  I wish there was a way to mute certain people on here so I wouldn't have to deal with these arrogant, condescending pricks--on a forum I joined because it seemed lighthearted, intelligent and fun!  I go into a topic about ficitonal characters in a video game, for pete's sake...and end up wanting to scream and punch somebody.  There's this thing called "expressing your opinion politely", have you heard of it?  It's quite possible to say you disagree with somebody else WITHOUT insulting them!

If we can kick griefers in the game, we should be able to kick forum griefers too.  And by "kick", I mean, "mute".

...Notorious

*That doesn't even EXIST for phrack's sake--we're talking about a _theoretical_ mod.

[Arlesienne]

There is also the option of changing a character directly in the LUA if you are playing on a private server. The go-to solution is tuning.lua - especially if you can compare the perk coding between singleplayer and multiplayer (remember some code may be disabled, so you're fiddling with it at your own risk). To answer @narkoface and @CaptainChaotica, it is fairly straightforward to drastically increase the durability of Willow's lighter and her fire sanity gain, decrease the freezing threshold and fire damage. A similar thing may be done with Woodie. I don't think there is any chance of getting singleplayer characters back, and I believe the devs should focus on new content all will benefit from, but I also consider changing the LUA fun and quite feasible to customise your gameplay - and as long as you aren't ruining the experience for others, you should have the freedom to change the game to how you like it.

I definitely don't think the verbal aggression is necessary. Or right as it were...

[Karmattack]

Woodie isn't even really that different, is he? 

The eating wood to keep the meter down is the only difference I know of, along with a little boost to follower time and slight insulation. 

[narkoface]

I started the game with Wilson of course and if I remember correctly the newest character at that time was Wendy who became also one of my favourite because of her special skills. Then after a while Woodie came along and I just loved him, that frickin breaver form is just OP as hell. You could wade through absolutly everything and if you died you just transfomred back with a few drawbacks.  I couldn't wait to try him in multiplayer with somebody who can help Woodie with his disadvanteges. But when he came out officially I was a bit dissapointed as the whole OP beaver was gone and was replaced by the multiplayer version which is a real curse, a challenge to play with. It's great and understandable but not fun and I would like to play for both.

Same with Maxwell. I don't care if his 20/min sanity is just insane (no pun intended) I like him that way and also with that he feels more unique. So when I returned to playing dst from a bigger break and saw Maxwell as officially added to the game I thought about this option which let you choose maybe(?) from the sp or mp version of him. But yeah, it can be solved by mods without raising anyone's temper and that's perfectly okay for me.

The mods I found useful:
Maxwell rebuffed
The beaver among us (little buggy)
Willow the Unnerfed