About Monkey dens

[Gingerbread]

Hi klei. Can you guys nerf this morsel and banana drop of monkeys cuz it is too op and too easy to get. At least please add a chance to these drops cuz its too easy not to starve with couple of dens around encircled with sandbags. you dont need anything else such as farming, berry bush farming or collecting any food fishing.you need none. All you should do is

1) hammer down monkey dens while exploring islands

2)plant 3 monkey dens to ur main base encircled with sand bags and u are all set.

3)attack monkeys as they spawn from their den inside the area encircled with sandbags. (they easily will get stuck in between sandbags. seems like a structural problem or ai problem)

 

It is already such a good activity to spawn krampus and beside this benefit u also get 40 morsel 40 banana in couple of days. depending on your monkey den numbers u can get 2 stacks of morsel and banana in a day too. Then feed pigs to make them do ur daily chores.

[4zakken]

dude  , come on ,  if you don't want to abuse of this method  don't do it ..... just don't do it  like the monkey ball in chest for an permanent mass control of ape. A monkey farming can save your life some times , just don't abuse of it , if i think on this way , nerf all loot that can be unlimited ( spider , pigs , bird cage .... ) .

[grekon]

I think their structure should be more expensive.

[Gingerbread]

7 hours ago, 4zakken said:

dude  , come on ,  if you don't want to abuse of this method  don't do it ..... just don't do it  like the monkey ball in chest for an permanent mass control of ape. A monkey farming can save your life some times , just don't abuse of it , if i think on this way , nerf all loot that can be unlimited ( spider , pigs , bird cage .... ) .

okay thanks for the tips it was so helpful lel.. About spiders, pigs and bird cage.. These are not comparable to this case. First spiders drop monster meant. yes you can survive with only monster meat and birdcage but u need tons of spider nests and it is harder to get a sustainable food source from spider nests unless you are webber. why? Because of the drop rates. Spiders dont drop monster meat everytime. Yes webber can get lotta resources from this but webber got other cons such as low sanity and he cannot befriend with pigs to do his chores etc. Also even you could get 8 monster meat from a single den (which is way too hard to get), you cannot make 2 meatballs out of it unless you also have a birdcage.

Lets talk about hound mound mechanics shall we? hound mounds spawn dogs that always drop monster meat but the disadvantage is they attack you and it is not as easy as to kill monkeys. They eat ur armor and once you kill them they don't spawn for some certain time. Also monster meat is not as useful as normal meat as I mentioned above. You also need birdcage and relying only on a single hound mound is impossible even with birdcage and also this hound mounds cannot be craftable.

Lets talk about pigs. A pig house is too hard to build as you need 4 pig skin and once he is dead he won't come back for several days unless you are abusing a bug with ice flingo torch combo (Idk if it still exists as it is removed from dst as devs told it was not intended.)

Lets tal about wickerbottom. Yes she can kill lotta birds but her sanity has to be 0 she uses a lot of materials to craft those books and in return she can get feathers as well as morsel.

Now lets talk about splumonkeys. Yes they drop monster meat banana and night fuel and they actually attack you in certain periods and it is not possible to encircle their dens with walls...  why? because cave earthquakes are gonna destroy those walls as well as monkeys in nightmare cycle so this method cannot guarantee a sustainable food source as well.

Lets talk about birdcages. You need food to effectively use birdcage which means that you gotta use the combination of methods above which has lotta disadvantages

 

Now lets talk about extremely broken monkey dens. Extremely easy to build and does not need a specific character and some debuff in return that makes them harder to harvest. No cons.. They pop a monkey army in no time. They dont throw poop at you while inside that area. why? Because all they do is to try to keep their distance from you while you are murdering them. They spawn extremely fast unlike pigs, spiders and even hounds (and they dont attack like hounds). Morever 100% banana and morsel drop rate. Even a single monkey den guarantees 2-3 meatballs in a day. Can you tell me if a single den of hound mound guarantees 2-3 meatballs in a day? or a pig house? or spider nest? Can you make 4 meatballs in a day by sitting around any of them and only by relying on these things (no other resources such as berry bush farming etc). The answer is a big NO.

Well lets go back to this so broken limitless monkey meat and banana farming They also spawn krampus which is a too easy method to get krampus sack as once i got 2 krampus sack from just killing these guys and sitting in the base doing nothing (no other farming) here is the proof.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/402308172472711931/66DFA920DB2952054009E445007728606DF29D0C/

Even a newbie can do it professionally if you show how to do it unlike other methods (pig scenario it is not easy for a newbie to kill em, same for spiders, same for hound mounds etc).

 

1)So it should be nerfed in a way that it should not be 100% food drop but instead they should drop maybe something not edible too just like spiders.

2)Or as guy suggested above maybe an ingredient of tiger shark to build a nest so it will not be too easy to craft and place them around.

I guess 1st one seems like a better solution. Maybe it would be a better idea for them to drop either, morsel or banana or poop or sticks (sticks is the item needed to build prime ape huts) so it will not be abused to get 80 jerkies in 4 days. Also either monkey spawn rate should be dropped or naughtiness point by killing monkeys so it will not be easy to harvest krampus' sack.

[4zakken]

1 hour ago, PolarBeer said:

okay thanks for the tips it was so helpful lel.. About spiders, pigs and bird cage.. These are not comparable to this case. First spiders drop monster meant. yes you can survive with only monster meat and birdcage but u need tons of spider nests and it is harder to get a sustainable food source from spider nests unless you are webber. why? Because of the drop rates. Spiders dont drop monster meat everytime. Yes webber can get lotta resources from this but webber got other cons such as low sanity and he cannot befriend with pigs to do his chores etc. Also even you could get 8 monster meat from a single den (which is way too hard to get), you cannot make 2 meatballs out of it unless you also have a birdcage.

Lets talk about hound mound mechanics shall we? hound mounds spawn dogs that always drop monster meat but the disadvantage is they attack you and it is not as easy as to kill monkeys. They eat ur armor and once you kill them they don't spawn for some certain time. Also monster meat is not as useful as normal meat as I mentioned above. You also need birdcage and relying only on a single hound mound is impossible even with birdcage and also this hound mounds cannot be craftable.

Lets talk about pigs. A pig house is too hard to build as you need 4 pig skin and once he is dead he won't come back for several days unless you are abusing a bug with ice flingo torch combo (Idk if it still exists as it is removed from dst as devs told it was not intended.)

Lets tal about wickerbottom. Yes she can kill lotta birds but her sanity has to be 0 she uses a lot of materials to craft those books and in return she can get feathers as well as morsel.

Now lets talk about splumonkeys. Yes they drop monster meat banana and night fuel and they actually attack you in certain periods and it is not possible to encircle their dens with walls...  why? because cave earthquakes are gonna destroy those walls as well as monkeys in nightmare cycle so this method cannot guarantee a sustainable food source as well.

Lets talk about birdcages. You need food to effectively use birdcage which means that you gotta use the combination of methods above which has lotta disadvantages

 

Now lets talk about extremely broken monkey dens. Extremely easy to build and does not need a specific character and some debuff in return that makes them harder to harvest. No cons.. They pop a monkey army in no time. They dont throw poop at you while inside that area. why? Because all they do is to try to keep their distance from you while you are murdering them. They spawn extremely fast unlike pigs, spiders and even hounds (and they dont attack like hounds). Morever 100% banana and morsel drop rate. Even a single monkey den guarantees 2-3 meatballs in a day. Can you tell me if a single den of hound mound guarantees 2-3 meatballs in a day? or a pig house? or spider nest? Can you make 4 meatballs in a day by sitting around any of them and only by relying on these things (no other resources such as berry bush farming etc). The answer is a big NO.

Well lets go back to this so broken limitless monkey meat and banana farming They also spawn krampus which is a too easy method to get krampus sack as once i got 2 krampus sack from just killing these guys and sitting in the base doing nothing (no other farming) here is the proof.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/402308172472711931/66DFA920DB2952054009E445007728606DF29D0C/

Even a newbie can do it professionally if you show how to do it unlike other methods (pig scenario it is not easy for a newbie to kill em, same for spiders, same for hound mounds etc).

 

1)So it should be nerfed in a way that it should not be 100% food drop but instead they should drop maybe something not edible too just like spiders.

2)Or as guy suggested above maybe an ingredient of tiger shark to build a nest so it will not be too easy to craft and place them around.

I guess 1st one seems like a better solution. Maybe it would be a better idea for them to drop either, morsel or banana or poop or sticks (sticks is the item needed to build prime ape huts) so it will not be abused to get 80 jerkies in 4 days. Also either monkey spawn rate should be dropped or naughtiness point by killing monkeys so it will not be easy to harvest krampus' sack.

And now , let talk about just building more ape's den , for counter the drop frequencies. If drops are nerfed , ok , i just build more apes'den and feed more monke to have your drops , it just take a little bit more time ....

And now let's talk about spiders , yes they don't drop only meat , they can supply you with silk and gland , so , you have , with an ifinte supply of awesome crock pot filler , some item to heal you , and some silk which can enable to build infinte tent ....

And now , lets talk about bird cage which anable you to have infinte seed supply , or eggs regenaration , give to the bird your spoiled eggs to have ... fresh eggs.

And now , lets taljk about shark farming like this :

 

And now , let's talk about ..... you know what , i stop here , i think you got it. I still thinking " not abuse of this feature for now ".

8 hours ago, grekon said:

I think their structure should be more expensive.

I agrea whith that ! but , just spend some few days to do it , in fact that don't resolve the problem ... i think the only way is to don't abuse of this obviously strong mechanic.

Cheers.

[Gingerbread]

2 hours ago, 4zakken said:

And now , let talk about just building more ape's den , for counter the drop frequencies. If drops are nerfed , ok , i just build more apes'den and feed more monke to have your drops , it just take a little bit more time ....

And now let's talk about spiders , yes they don't drop only meat , they can supply you with silk and gland , so , you have , with an ifinte supply of awesome crock pot filler , some item to heal you , and some silk which can enable to build infinte tent ....

And now , lets talk about bird cage which anable you to have infinte seed supply , or eggs regenaration , give to the bird your spoiled eggs to have ... fresh eggs.

And now , lets taljk about shark farming like this :

 

And now , let's talk about ..... you know what , i stop here , i think you got it. I still thinking " not abuse of this feature for now ".

I agrea whith that ! but , just spend some few days to do it , in fact that don't resolve the problem ... i think the only way is to don't abuse of this obviously strong mechanic.

Cheers.

well you gotta fight them all and they are hostile toward you..

Lets talk about spiders. Downsides for a newbie..They drop your sanity. they can attack you drop your armor, they can kill you (yes this is the downside for a newbie). there is a danger such as spawning spider queen. Getting resources from spiders as a newbie is not as easy as it is seen and there is no way that a newbie can make a lot of resources from a spider den especially even a pro player cannot get so much benefit from a single spider den as you can get from a monkey den.

Dont really come to me with birdcage. seriously dude birdcage does not produce food and you are comparing something with something else incompatible. you have to get monster meat to use birdcage which means u gotta kill lotta monsters (all drops ur sanity, all attacks you, all eats ur armor) or you need to start farming which uses serious amount of resources to build. I guess you did not even read what i wrote.

Yeah another example shark farming... well there is a danger of dieing there. don't u see? Do you think a newbie can do this? Answer is no

Now can you tell me a downside of making monkey dens around you and fighting them

Do they reduce your sanity? Not significantly even with 10 dens zoo as they mostly don't throw poop and mostly because they are in a closed area, they run around wildly trying to escape from you/ Do they eat your armor? No. Is there a danger of getting meat like in case of killing hounds, killing merms, pigs? No. Do they extinct like catcoons? No. Do you think a newbie can do this. Definitely. So that proves that there is no in depth strategy about this monkey dens and it is broken because there is no downside of building it as you can see. what is the benefit if having this dens around? at least 1krampus sack in a year and 15 meatballs per day..

Can you give me an example of a case that only monster meat is used as a survival item other than webber? Webber has other downsides such as really low sanity and pig problem and also his hp is not the greatest.

Look. They nerfed buzzard spawn rate in dst as it was so broken that u could get 20-30 morsel from couple of buzzard spawner and they were even attacking you. What about monkeys? Do they attack?

Now you will come to me with another weird examples such as beeboxes. Try to harvest them and what happens to you see by yourself. Try to approach to that area in spring. Try to make a new beebox. can you make it in any season? No. Can you make it always? No (as honey comb cannot be craftable) also it uses a lot of effort to do them all. Lotta separate works.

How about building a monkey den? Just build 4 and you can build more and more killing them massively. you can build more monkey dens, get massive meat and banana and spawn krampus with a simple task without any downside..

[SenhorLevi00]

This is a late game feature farm or you can do it in the initial couple of days?? It is cost benefit doing it in the inicial days or not? Tou are at day 155, you start making these farms on the first 35 days? I think this cost a lot of time and resouces and you have more important things to do in the early game. But in the late game, where basically everything is settle, like the basics machines, and the other structures, its fine to make a farm to optimize your camp.

If you think it just too OP, just don't do it. Everything that's op sometime will be boring.

 

[Gingerbread]

You can do this in 5-7 days and u guarantee 3 meatballs per day (initially) after day 20 it will be 10 meatballs per day.

Instead of this much of food better to balance them as:

they should drop either morsel or banana or poop or twigs so it will not give a massive amount one type of resources as DS RoG is such a balanced game that you cannot get a massive amount of single resource just from a single spawner. But this feature of shipwrecked is broken due to fact that it gives only single resourcein massive amount and it also allows you to spawn krampus indefinitely.

spiders drop either silk, gland or monster meat they dont drop bloody hell monster meat every time. If that would be the case spider dens would be op too.

Just don't do it does not mean that it will not be abused and this is weird.

[4zakken]

1 minute ago, PolarBeer said:

well you gotta fight them all..

Lets talk about spiders. Downsides for a newbie..They drop your sanity. they can attack you drop your armor. there is a danger such as spawning spider queen. Getting resources from spiders as a newbie is not as easy as it is seen and there is no way that a newbie can make a lot of resources from a spider den especially even a pro player cannot get so much benefit from a single spider den as you can get from a monkey den.

Dont really come to me with birdcage. seriously dude birdcage does not produce food and you are comparing something with something else incompatible. you have to get monster meat to use birdcage which means u gotta kill lotta monsters (all drops ur sanity, all attacks you, all eats ur armor). I guess you did not even read what i wrote.

Yeah another example shark farming... well there is a danger of dieing there. don't u see? Do you think a newbie can do this? Answer is no

Now can you tell me a downside of making monkey dens around you and fighting them

Do they reduce your sanity? Not significantly even with 10 dens zoo as they mostly don't throw poop and mostly because they are in a closed area, they run around wildly trying to escape from you/ Do they eat your armor? No. Is there a danger of getting meat? No. Do they extinct? No. Do you think a newbie can do this. Definitely. So that proves that there is no in depth strategy about this monkey dens and it is broken because there is no downside of building it as you can see. what is the benefit if having this dens around? at least 1krampus sack in a year...

Look. They nerfed buzzard spawn rate in dst as it was so broken that u could get 20-30 morsel from couple of buzzard spawner and they were even attacking you. What about monkeys? Do they attack? No..

I am not talking about players level , i new player will don't use a sand bag cage for ape farming i think. By the way , if you wana spend your time to cut bamboo for make your sand bag cage just for monkey farming ... well ... what can i say ...

By the way , if a new player actualy watch the video about shark and if he have a boat canon , i can do it ... by doing what the video explain , what is really hard to do / understand about that ....

i just trying to explain there is many things in don't starve ( ROG / SW ) wich can be easily use as an abuse mechanic , and that depend on the player playstyle.

I am not agree with you about spiders , they drop sanity ??? not a big deal , they drop silk , make tent , use meat balls with the monster meat they drop for using tent , tent use give you life and sanity restauration , and if you take damage in combat , use theire gland ( spider do 10 damage , gland restore 8 hp ... ) , more the time past , more spider you get .... spider queen ? destroy the nest at level 3 and replant it , you can replant the eggs on new base if you want too ... Where is the down side about this ?

Bird cage don't produce food ... it just give you an infinite recycling of food ( combo with spider ??? yes , does it require a nerf ? no ) ... Where is the down side about this ?

Playing like this :

 

IS JUST A LAME WAY TO PLAY. what can we said about this , its like the shark farming , players will always find a way to abuse of an mechanic , and balance a game like Don't starve is just a brain hell ....

For a player like me , who is not abuse of that , and wana have a hound protection , and a food supply in emergency like this kind of feature ...

Like poker , the most important thing is not the cards , but what you will do with her ...

I understand people who complaining about some lacks , it's annoying , but for the possibility of abuse , just don't do it ...

That's my point of view.

[4zakken]

10 minutes ago, SenhorLevi00 said:

This is a late game feature farm or you can do it in the initial couple of days?? It is cost benefit doing it in the inicial days or not? Tou are at day 155, you start making these farms on the first 35 days? I think this cost a lot of time and resouces and you have more important things to do in the early game. But in the late game, where basically everything is settle, like the basics machines, and the other structures, its fine to make a farm to optimize your camp.

If you think it just too OP, just don't do it. Everything that's op sometime will be boring.

 

Man i am 100% with you , just don't do it

[Gingerbread]

Well one type of resource + infinite amount of krampus spawning is OP especially if you dont have any downside. Yes I make that for sure do you know why? Because lame gameplay is the one who walks around with backpack looking for food everytime, trying to start farming a piece of sweet potato for lotta poops and rocks trying to build lotta huts to get just one piece of meat from a pig in couple of days while i am having my krampus sack and all 80 jerky just using this method.

Just don't do it is not a solution as it will be abused in any gameplay. If you want to see a broken game where all streamers abuse this feature good luck to you.

Best idea would be to nerf them in a way that they drop a single resource just like pigs, dogs, spiders. morsel or banana or poop or twig so it will only be used to get krampus' sack and player also gotta look food as it cannot go into enrage mode just to get krampus' sack.. Cuz currently you can just try to get krampus' sack without worrying about starvation. Day and night murder monkeys till u spawn 15 krampus around you

[TheDwemerEquation]

I honestly hate the little suckers and don't bother with them much; but if you don't want mass farming to be easy just changing their behavior so that they attack you with the bite animation if they can't get the distance to throw poop would fix that.  The fact that they won't ever bite the player but will bite any other mob that attacks them is just odd anyways.

[TemporaryMan]

Y'know, moleworm farms provide a safe daily source of meat and they don't require building any structures.  I just collect the moleworms that fall during earthquakes and plant them outside the cave entrance.  I usually just ignore them but the one time I decided to hunt them I got 14 morsels in an evening.  That's without any walls or dedicated effort to growing their population.

[SenhorLevi00]

4 minutes ago, PolarBeer said:

Well one type of resource + infinite amount of krampus spawning is OP especially if you dont have any downside. Yes I make that for sure do you know why? Because lame gameplay is the one who walks around with backpack looking for food everytime, trying to start farming a piece of sweet potato for lotta poops and rocks trying to build lotta huts to get just one piece of meat from a pig in couple of days while i am having my krampus sack and all 80 jerky just using this method

That's not as hard to look for food in this game and I wouldn't make this farm at the inicial 5~7 days. I think this dlc force you to explore the map and search for some loot.

The point is: You create a topic to nerf something that a few people will do our abuse of, wich is unecessary. That's a playstile problem, some people will do, some will not.

[Gingerbread]

7 minutes ago, TemporaryMan said:

Y'know, moleworm farms provide a safe daily source of meat and they don't require building any structures.  I just collect the moleworms that fall during earthquakes and plant them outside the cave entrance.  I usually just ignore them but the one time I decided to hunt them I got 14 morsels in an evening.  That's without any walls or dedicated effort to growing their population.

Yes tempo but that tooks some time to build also you need a filler for that whereas a simple monkey spawner does not need any effort just like u did. Tbh 3 meatballs just from moleworm takes u to bring 12 moleworms to surface. It is fairly expensive and once u kill them they dont spawn for a day i guess. Monkey den is too easy to plant and they keep spawning banana and morsel and krampus with almost no effort. if it would be something like late game activity it is acceptable but this can be done by day 15 and after that just try to get a krampus sack because you dont have to look for food or sanity (as you get banana and morsel to make jerky. Jerky itself is a good way to increase all 3 stats.) so all you should worry is hound attacks while farming krampus sack.

[4zakken]

@PolarBeer: Man , i don't understand , i am curious to know what i said thatdon't make sense. Maybe i don't use the good words , so i reword them like this :

• A new player wana discover the game , explore the map , try to survive by a normal and logical way , they don't think " ok , i will make a big monkey prison , to make a big ape mayhem for staying on only one island , stay sit down under his bambo shelter until he starve , them just make a monke war for eat.
• Streamer who abuse of this kind of mechanics will loose a lot of interest because the wievers want entertainment and not a lame game play.
• Some player are smarter to use this kind of mechanics just in emergency and not for beeing a lazzy ass  on their single island , because there is no entertainment by doing this.
• Its funny sometimes to make a monkey war , just because you have nothing to do before the start of an volcano eruption for exemple ( or i don't know i am short of idea now )
• If peoples are happy to use this mechanics and abuse them , its there rigth , if they are happy with that .... well
• If you nerf the ape mechanics , why not nerf all the mechnics will make the game easiyer ( bird cage + spider nest combo , or trap + crab and bird trap for getting krampus sac ) etc etc , its like a constant jurisprudence ...

i hope i found the rigth words this time , i think it's not hard to understand. I am not salty , just realist. otherwise , its just a path of nerf on everythings XD.

[Gingerbread]

well it is action so it is entertaining to watch a streamer spawning 20 krampus unlike some boring gameplay where people avoid fighting and making really boring moves such as only exploring or only base building... Ofcourse he will not do it like in a berserk mode but they do it fairly common because it drops krampus sack spawns krampus and such. Also 2 drops from a passive mob is OP. you gotta understand that. No such a passive mob in base game drops 2 different foods or 2 drops at upon death.. (well splumonkeys drop but they are not really easy to deal with like this guys cuz they become hostile too and they cannot be encircled, they can actually steal things from ur inventory unlike these guys and not much food source in ruins when you first explore the area so it is fair.) Merms are hard to deal with and they don't spawn like this guys do and they are hostile.

[4zakken]

15 minutes ago, PolarBeer said:

well it is action so it is entertaining to watch a streamer spawning 20 krampus unlike some boring gameplay where people avoid fighting and making really boring moves such as only exploring or only base building... Ofcourse he will not do it like in a berserk mode but they do it fairly common because it drops krampus sack spawns krampus and such. Also 2 drops from a passive mob is OP. you gotta understand that. No such a passive mob in base game drops 2 different foods.. (well splumonkeys drop but they are not really easy to deal with like this guys cuz they become hostile too and they cannot be encircled so it is fair.) Merms are hard to deal with and they don't spawn like this guys do and they are hostile.

Man , i understand what you say. But if monkey drop 1 banana or one morsel , you just need to add 1 or 2 more den and feed 2 or 3 more  monkee for having the same result. By the way , monkey are stealing stuff , and will always drop more than one loot. So , a drop nerf will basicaly do nothing about that.

For the streamer , as i said , if the streamer play as a lamer by making tons of abuse, i will loose his audience / viewers ... because it's not entertaining ... By the way , there is many youtuber wich play as a legit way , just choose one of them ^^

Why having 1489719878979871 Krampus sack ? one is enaugh ... if the streamer wana spawn 20 krampus for the LOL and because he thinking its funny to kick some dragon's ass , why not , he do what he want ... its like degug spawn some giant and make a titan's war for the show , not necessary for the loot ...

As i said , like poker , you do what you want with your cards ...

I think i said all i am thinking about this kind of abuse , and i will stop now , so i hope my arguments are enaugh for understanding all this things about that.

[Gingerbread]

16 minutes ago, 4zakken said:

Man , i understand what you say. But if monkey drop 1 banana or one morsel , you just need to add 1 or 2 more den and feed 2 or 3 more  monkee for having the same result. By the way , monkey are stealing stuff , and will always drop more than one loot. So , a drop nerf will basicaly do nothing about that.

For the streamer , as i said , if the streamer play as a lamer by making tons of abuse, i will loose his audience / viewers ... because it's not entertaining ...

Why having 1489719878979871 Krampus sack ? one is enaugh ... if the streamer wana spawn 20 krampus for the LOL and because he thinking its funny to kick some dragon's ass , why not , he do what he want ... its like degug spawn some giant and make a titan's war for the show , not necessary for the loot ...

As i said , like poker , you do what you want with your cards ...

I was not expecting second krampus sack. There is only 3 minutes interval in between 2 drops I was actually trying to finish all monkeys 2 krampus spawned killed them and one of them dropped the sack. Then I went into the area to kill newly spawned monkeys after doing some other jobs and they spawned another so i ended up having 2.

But like buzzards in DST, this should be nerfed in a fair way. Anything that makes it harder to farm food that easily. Because then again vegetable and fruit farming from improved farms is for poor man as you can get all ur filler pretty easily. why bother vegetable and fruit farming?

Idk, if they wanna keep it like that at least they should be actually hostile instead of looking u and making weird noises and sometimes dropping poop (its really rare to see them throwing poop they are like doydoys but even better cuz infinitely spawning). Even something like a new ai where they attack sandbags if they are encircled would be a good solution.

[Gingerbread]

1 hour ago, SenhorLevi00 said:

That's not as hard to look for food in this game and I wouldn't make this farm at the inicial 5~7 days. I think this dlc force you to explore the map and search for some loot.

The point is: You create a topic to nerf something that a few people will do our abuse of, wich is unecessary. That's a playstile problem, some people will do, some will not.

If we are gonna look from professional perspective, I can even survive in any game without any crockpot and any base and 10 dead people in the game (for dst). How about that? If we are talking about base building I started as Wes to the final update and made my first crockpot in day 30 and base in day 25 where there was only ach engine chest and light rod (in day 25 and i added a single crockpot in day 30). (was looking for yaartopus. so it was a temporary base)

well even you cannot do it in 5-7 days you can do it in day 25 it was just an example I don't rreally expect everyone to build it right away and you cannot build such a good sustainable food source with just 2 dens. (anything like 2 spider den and a birdcage, 2 pig houses). Nothing gives u that much food.

To build it 5-7 days to do list

explore islands till u find gold and rocks area and make hammer to destroy all monkey dens along ur way and dont eat its drops. Make alchemy engine and make ur first den. Initially encircle it with rock walls (probably a stack of rocks is enough to encircle them with walls) so you can put them in a small area.

your 4 meatballs per day is ready. you cannot get a that easy sustainable food source with no method like this..

now get some spider dens and get silk to make tent and make drying racks. expand ur monkey den area to get more and more jerkies and banana pops.. You can easily restore all ur 3 stats while getting krampus sack.

Then again I am OK with any challenge if it is a challenge. No science machine challenge? Fine by me, no meat without crockpot? fine only meat without crockpot? fine and I can do it without monkey dens.

[mksu]

There's many things that can be exploited in this game. I think the devs should balance the game better but you can also choose not to abuse them.

There's a much more broken mechanic which is being able to make Meatballs with 3 Ice. Once you build the Ice Maker, you never have problems with food, ever. You can even make Meatballs with Monster Meat + 3 Ice, which is ridiculous. Hell, you can even use 1 Limpet + 3 Ice. All you need is some Snakes and you are set for the rest of the game.

[Gingerbread]

9 minutes ago, mksu said:

There's many things that can be exploited in this game. I think the devs should balance the game better but you can also choose not to abuse them.

There's a much more broken mechanic which is being able to make Meatballs with 3 Ice. Once you build the Ice Maker, you never have problems with food, ever. You can even Meatballs with Monster Meat + 3 Ice, which is ridiculous. Hell, you can even use 1 Limpet + 3 Ice. All you need is some Snakes and you are set for the rest of the game.

3 ice is not that bad for base game but for shipwrecked you got ice maker which gives you infinite amount of filler 1 wood + 1 meat makes meatballs. But this is again fair because meatballs is not the best food source at all if u wanna restore ur other stats u gotta get silk and such so it is lotta constant work to do just for this type of survival (only eating meatballs). what is best is getting infinite amount of meat in which you can make infinite jerkies and banana pop and having krampus sack while doing them all. chopping down wood does not give u krampus sack too

[Mday]

Just my 2 caps on the ice maker issue.

1) It is way easier to get ice in ROG than in SW. Mining Mini Glaciers in ROG is just much more efficient than building that ice maker and producing ice in SW.

2) In ROG, Mining Mini Glaciers are available since late autumn. Lets just say it starts from day 20. Now, what day is it when most players build their first ice maker in SW? And lets just say one can build it before day 10, does it make much difference when compared to not building it as early as day 10?

3) Yes, that ice maker gain players access to ice all year around. However, in ROG, if you craft an ice box, and put 9 stack of ice in it, effectively that could provide enough ice for years to come too. It does not require fuel, and you don't have to wait for the ice maker to split out the ice.

4) Now consider that when the ROG and SW is connected and you have your main base in the ROG world. Do you think it is better to build the ice maker, than to mine 1~2 stack of ice form mini glaciers and store the ice in ice box? 

I personally will be doing both. I will get ice form mini glaciers in first winter and I will also build that ice maker just because I can. However the truth is, in both SW and ROG I rarely have to make meatball out of ice.

I think most importantly, the days when hunger is an issue were long gone. There are many berry bush and cactus in ROG, similarly seaweed and berry bushes are everywhere in SW. It is not like taking out the ice maker will make the game much harder. I have done no ice maker/ no meatball run before so I know what I am talking about.

[Ginosaji]

monkey dens are fine as they are. the OP said that you could live off of monkeys from the beginning, yeah sure, but does the food really benefit you?

you get bananas which aren't really that great unless you have a crock pot and the ice maker to allow yourself to make the banana pops. you could go for meatballs, but lets get real here, meatballs aren't really that great without a tent around to deal with your health and sanity. depending on if the monkey has eaten any fruits or veggies he'll also drop manure for you which is basically free fuel for your firepit, but that's it.

your argument that you could make 3-5 meatballs per day is kinda useless, because seaweed is pretty much easy filler all the time no matter if there's a ice maker or not. jungle biomes have quite a few snakes around every day just beat some up and throw the monster meat into the crock pot with your gathered seaweed, boom meatballs which still isn't that great as a food item. 

you're basically describing playstyles in ds. you farm up krampus by walling in monkeys, while i farm krampus by mass murdering pirate parrots for thair 6 naughtiness points. i'm not saying that klei should nerf the naughtiness points of pirate parrots just because i find it too easy to kill 4-5 parrots for a new krampus spawn.

 

if people still want the monkeys nerfed then consider either limiting thair respawn rate and numbers of monkeys per hut or change thair ai. it would be a lot more harder to farm them if they actually would attack the player. they attack every other mob when they get attacked so why do they run from the player? they're literally outnumbering the player and could easily take on him like for example pigs would do or bunnyman. so my vote would go on a better ai instead of changing the loot drops.

[Gingerbread]

28 minutes ago, Kill3r86X said:

monkey dens are fine as they are. the OP said that you could live off of monkeys from the beginning, yeah sure, but does the food really benefit you?

you get bananas which aren't really that great unless you have a crock pot and the ice maker to allow yourself to make the banana pops. you could go for meatballs, but lets get real here, meatballs aren't really that great without a tent around to deal with your health and sanity. depending on if the monkey has eaten any fruits or veggies he'll also drop manure for you which is basically free fuel for your firepit, but that's it.

your argument that you could make 3-5 meatballs per day is kinda useless, because seaweed is pretty much easy filler all the time no matter if there's a ice maker or not. jungle biomes have quite a few snakes around every day just beat some up and throw the monster meat into the crock pot with your gathered seaweed, boom meatballs which still isn't that great as a food item. 

you're basically describing playstyles in ds. you farm up krampus by walling in monkeys, while i farm krampus by mass murdering pirate parrots for thair 6 naughtiness points. i'm not saying that klei should nerf the naughtiness points of pirate parrots just because i find it too easy to kill 4-5 parrots for a new krampus spawn.

 

if people still want the monkeys nerfed then consider either limiting thair respawn rate and numbers of monkeys per hut or change thair ai. it would be a lot more harder to farm them if they actually would attack the player. they attack every other mob when they get attacked so why do they run from the player? they're literally outnumbering the player and could easily take on him like for example pigs would do or bunnyman. so my vote would go on a better ai instead of changing the loot drops.

meatballs + banana pop for days... u dont need tent. Fine as they are cuz people wanna exploit it thatswhy it is fine as they are... You are going to kill a never ending passive mob and got 2 food drop which can be used to make OP sanity, hp and hunger foods. What a good world is this. Yeah good luck with ur parrots.. I can challenge you with wes vs wes that i can spawn 20 krampuses and u can hardly spawn 2 by day 50... in same time and I would have stacks of meat at that time while u would have couple of meats and bunch of feathers.. 5 parrots to spawn a krampus? are you sure what are u talking about? Just 5 parrots? Birds only increase 2 naughtiness. you gotta kill 20 of them to spawn krampus. If you are not a wickerbottom you can forget about that strategy and even as wickerbottom you need lotta tools to do this. Not only a single cutlass supreme like in my case.

Also things are one way or another not even. You are talking about parrots parrot does not provide that much meat u cannot get as much meat from snakes as i can get from monkeys and u cannot spawn krampuses with it. also snakes does not provide u banana pop nor jerky for days that can be eaten and snakes are not even passive. they lower sanity when you fight them and in the end u may end up having snake skin.

It is just for starting. and you will get that from a single den. You can go on a exploration to find ur seaweeds XD. If we are talking about middle game by middle game i can make u 30 banana pop and 30 meatballs per day. Can you make them by cutting down trees, collecting seaweeds or killing spiders in the same time? I am sure no.

Less time spending, less tool spending (as you only need a nice weapon to cut them fast enough) no armor needed, no damage taken, no downside but 30 banana pop and 30 matballs in the process.