[Suggestion] Obsidian turf (for puddles)

[t0panka]

Obsidian flooring:

 

- it NEEDS to be hard to make!

- 4x obsidian + 8x rocks = 1x obsidian turf

- it can dry off puddles that spawn on this turf

- you will start to overheat standing on it for more than 10s

- lvl2 of overheating (with loosing HP) after standing on it for more than 15s

- grass, twigs, bamboo, vines, trees, etc. will burn on this turf

- if you put something flammable on this turf it will burn

 

- puddles protection ... check!

- challenge remains ... check!

- cool new floors ... check!

- "trash can" for burning useless stuff ... check!

 

[Derpy81811]

Overpriced awesome trash can? TAKE ALL OF MY YES.

[Kror]

It's just a bit strange that grass etc would burn but I guess you would like to build burnable structures on it.

Otherwise the idea is nice. I am with Derpy81811 here

[Mday]

Sure add that too.

Thou I would rather keep the puddles in my base. I don't have a problem with puddles any more.

[t0panka]

Sure add that too.

Thou I would rather keep the puddles in my base. I don't have a problem with puddles any more.

OH lets be clear ... i don't have ANY problem with puddles and this post is just for all these people on forums complaining about anything little bit more harder than killing spider :/

[Mday]

If the puddle happens to have disabled my stuff in a reasonable way, that is fine by me. It is more like the puddles spawning right under a player build structure, and that the sand bag aren't working, kinda up sad me.

 

A turf that stop the puddles? If it make sense, sure why not. The options are there and the players get to choose their way.
I just don't think the puddles issue is worth the risk to have stuff burning in my base thou. Like why would anyone risk a base fire for puddle issue?

 

Not saying that I won't be using such a turf to make some kind of a trail thou. If they introduce flooding into the base DS I can see this proposed turf can be very useful in the old world.

[SirBuizelton]

If the puddle happens to have disabled my stuff in a reasonable way, that is fine by me. It is more like the puddles spawning right under a player build structure, and that the sand bag aren't working, kinda up sad me.

A turf that stop the puddles? If it make sense, sure why not. The options are there and the players get to choose their way.

I just don't think the puddles issue is worth the risk to have stuff burning in my base thou. Like why would anyone risk a base fire for puddle issue?

Not saying that I won't be using such a turf to make some kind of a trail thou. If they introduce flooding into the base DS I can see this proposed turf can be very useful in the old world.

That's my issue with it too. When you set up a bunch of sandbags in preparation for defending against the floods, and then the water just spawns on top of structures.

[DarkXero]

- if you put something flammable on this turf it will burn

 

If you can't put your crock pots or alchemy engine on it, then it is as useless as sandbags.

 

The whole point of the complaints: random puddles right on top of your stuff.

 

- you will start to overheat standing on it for more than 10s

 

I'm not going to step on it.

 

- lvl2 of overheating (with loosing HP) after standing on it for more than 15s

 

I'm not going to step on it.

 

- grass, twigs, bamboo, vines, trees, etc. will burn on this turf

 

If you are dropping your materials on the floor, so the hurricane blows them away, why would I put them over this turf?

 

Use lureplants.

 

 

Verdict: expensive, useless, and doesn't bother me with any challenge.

 

5/7

[t0panka]

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BOTH OF YOU have to realise that puddles are coming from UNDER THE GROUND!!! So how should creating walls of sandbags around your base protect you from water that is coming from the ground??? Sandbags work really well for high tides when you place them on beach! Placing sandbag on top of starting puddle and stopping it is HUGE BONUS to sandbags!

 

For flooded ice machine and crockpot = there is tons of food in SW so no problem here

For flooded alchemy engine = there is brain hat

 

Problem solved

If you can't put your crock pots or alchemy engine on it, then it is as useless as sandbags.

 

The whole point of the complaints: random puddles right on top of your stuff.

 

I'm not going to step on it.

I'm not going to step on it.

 

If you are dropping your materials on the floor, so the hurricane blows them away, why would I put them over this turf?

Use lureplants.

 

Verdict: expensive, useless, and doesn't bother me with any challenge.

 

5/7

DUDE dont be so negative. First of all puddles spawn UNDER your stuff! And you like to Klei nerf these puddles to ZERO or not even noticeable than creating some anti-puddle feature that has at least SOME challenge? OK so forget that burning you OBVIOUSLY want this game easy and even play it like it is DS/ROG so without burning stuff it is not useless. Expensive? What is expensive on 4 obsidian?? You need only 1 or 2 of this turf anyway so i made it really EASY anyway. 10s overheating? So i guess you don't play summer either? Or you don't use summer clothes?

 

Anyway please delight me with your professional opinion how to deal with puddles

[DarkXero]

DUDE dont be so negative. First of all puddles spawn UNDER your stuff! And you like to Klei nerf these puddles to ZERO or not even noticeable than creating some anti-puddle feature that has at least SOME challenge? OK so forget that burning you OBVIOUSLY want this game easy and even play it like it is DS/ROG so without burning stuff it is not useless. Expensive? What is expensive on 4 obsidian?? You need only 1 or 2 of this turf anyway so i made it really EASY anyway. 10s overheating? So i guess you don't play summer either? Or you don't use summer clothes? Anyway please delight me with your professional opinion how to deal with puddles

 

I play with summer deactivated, I'm a casual.

 

Disregard my previous post.

[Mday]

Wait a minute, puddles coming underground?

I don't think so man.

A spring does not work that way. It would imply there is some other water source at higher ground (e.g lake and river).

Since there is a volcano the underground water should be steaming, and not as clear as it is in SW.

Even if it is a spring it make no sense that a sandbag can block it and stop it from leaking water. Not to mention it remain deactivated even if you remove the sandbag afterward.

[SirBuizelton]

Wait a minute, puddles coming underground?

I don't think so man.

A spring does not work that way. It would imply there is some other water source at higher ground (e.g lake and river).

Since there is a volcano the underground water should be steaming, and not as clear as it is in SW.

Even if it is a spring it make no sense that a sandbag can block it and stop it from leaking water. Not to mention it remain deactivated even if you remove the sandbag afterward.

 

Yeah, I uh... I'm pretty sure you're right. The puddles only form during Monsoon season anyway, with an extreme abundance of rain so I'm not entirely sure where the theory of it just... Coming from underground came from. Enough rain can totally cause damaging flash floods on it's own.

[t0panka]

I play with summer deactivated, I'm a casual.

 

Disregard my previous post.

Stop killing this game for us PLZ. TY

[Ackzay]

I like the idea of new turf but the recipe is too expensive for its uses. 

-It shouldn't ignite items/structures

-Anything on this turf Dries out FAST. This includes items/players/backpacks

-Drying racks placed on this turf dry food twice as fast

-Standing overheats the player after three seconds with massive sanity penalty

-Firepits on this turf last twice as long with a 20% chance to randomly spawn 1-3 nightmares regardless of player sanity (This aspect may be getting too deep into lore but the reasoning being the fire gets so strong its taking form through nightmares)

-Enemies standing on this turf slowly die from fire dmg. Maybe 1 hp per second. 

  

[SirBuizelton]

I play with summer deactivated, I'm a casual.

Disregard my previous post.

hey man, your opinion is still totally valid. It's important to get feedback from all ends of the spectrum

[grekon]

Ummm... Sorry, No. Obsidian is summer exclusive it wouldn't make sense to make a floor after the whole problem is gone already.

 

My suggestion would be that they should make sandbags more expensive and hammering them should give back their full cost. That make them "portable" If you make enough of the expensive sandbags then you could deal with all the puddles and gather them for next season. 

 

Besides machines not working is cool. I don't hear anybody complaining about farms not working in Winter why is there such an issue with machines not working in Monsoon?

[t0panka]

I like the idea of new turf but the recipe is too expensive for its uses. 

-It shouldn't ignite items/structures

-Anything on this turf Dries out FAST. This includes items/players/backpacks

-Drying racks placed on this turf dry food twice as fast

-Standing overheats the player after three seconds with massive sanity penalty

-Firepits on this turf last twice as long with a 20% chance to randomly spawn 1-3 nightmares regardless of player sanity (This aspect may be getting too deep into lore but the reasoning being the fire gets so strong its taking form through nightmares)

-Enemies standing on this turf slowly die from fire dmg. Maybe 1 hp per second. 

Well i didnt think about it that much but WOW what you written sound really cool BUT with this good features it should be expensive to make. You don't need tons of them at start anyway

 

Ummm... Sorry, No. Obsidian is summer exclusive it wouldn't make sense to make a floor after the whole problem is gone already.

 

My suggestion would be that they should make sandbags more expensive and hammering them should give back their full cost. That make them "portable" If you make enough of the expensive sandbags then you could deal with all the puddles and gather them for next season. 

 

Besides machines not working is cool. I don't hear anybody complaining about farms not working in Winter why is there such an issue with machines not working in Monsoon?

There are couple problems with your post:

- you think that after 4 seasons game ends but you should think about late game too!!! So that problem is not gone already ... that problem is waiting for you around next corner .)

- hammering should give back full cost? too easy!

- what is the difference between these cheap sandbags not portable VS expensive one and portable? None and "give back full cost" is feature of deconstruction staff so this will never happen

- yeah i dont know either why players have such problem with 3 machines not working for 15 days ... ridiculous

 

EDIT: Obsidian is not even close to summer exclusive BTW. You can find it in treasures, slot machine, meteor staff boon and with trawl net. Obsidian is everywhere

[grekon]

There are couple problems with your post:

- you think that after 4 seasons game ends but you should think about late game too!!! So that problem is not gone already ... that problem is waiting for you around next corner .)

- hammering should give back full cost? too easy!

- what is the difference between these cheap sandbags not portable VS expensive one and portable? None and "give back full cost" is feature of deconstruction staff so this will never happen

- yeah i dont know either why players have such problem with 3 machines not working for 15 days ... ridiculous

 

EDIT: Obsidian is not even close to summer exclusive BTW. You can find it in treasures, slot machine, meteor staff boon and with trawl net. Obsidian is everywhere

Yeah well the details were kinda silly I admit but the idea stands!

 

Here's a better way to implement it. Make sandbags retrievable just like Walani's surf board. The sandbags should also be easily destroyed by anything(give them 10hp or something). That way people can move it to block the puddles while keeping them useful for future seasons and can't exploit them for defense.

 

As for obsidian, trawl net works only in summer. The rest are random. I wouldn't consider other options as a reliable source of obsidian just like you wouldn't consider touch stones reliable source of lime stone.

 

EDIT: Forgot to say: If they can survive the season without the obsidian floor what's the big problem and why do they need the floor in the first place? Its not like the next monsoons are gonna be harder.

[SirBuizelton]

Besides machines not working is cool. I don't hear anybody complaining about farms not working in Winter why is there such an issue with machines not working in Monsoon?

 

If you wanna ask this in the other thread that's all about this, I'd be happy to respond. Just don't wanna start a whole new chain of replies on that in this thread if that's okay.

[Kraglok]

I don't think we need some expensive flooring option to remove the challenge of monsoon season.  I think we need something relatively simple and sensible (and we need Sandbags to work properly.

 

Our intrepid heroes are making some pretty amazing stuff from magic and science.  You'd think something like a simple elevated platform to keep dry would be fairly straightforward.  What I'd propose is this:

 

Elevated Flooring = 4 Boards + 4 Bamboo per section.  Anything built on it functions and stays dry.

 

Consider:  The player still gets wet from rain so it doesn't prevent wetness as an issue.  Monsoon mosquitoes can still spawn off of it and attack you.  You would have to place structures on top of it for them to get the benefit, meaning you'd have to either place this stuff in the first place (expensive in the early game when setting up your base) or hammer down your structures and replace them (paying half the materials cost again) on the Elevated Flooring.  Either is a significant cost that mitigates but doesn't eliminate the hassles of the wet season.

[grekon]

If you wanna ask this in the other thread that's all about this, I'd be happy to respond. Just don't wanna start a whole new chain of replies on that in this thread if that's okay.

Come my friend! Let's talk about it. SPILL YOUR GUTS OUT!!!

 

I won't be making a thread just to ask that question and I don't see anything wrong with you answering that question here. Besides the complaint has already been made, even before the hang ten update. Increasing the number of threads about flood won't change anything, we just have to wait for the next update now.

 

We can discuss it here and at the same give other forum guys and gals something to read. Bring it on.^^

[t0panka]

Wait a minute, puddles coming underground?

I don't think so man.

A spring does not work that way. It would imply there is some other water source at higher ground (e.g lake and river).

Since there is a volcano the underground water should be steaming, and not as clear as it is in SW.

Even if it is a spring it make no sense that a sandbag can block it and stop it from leaking water. Not to mention it remain deactivated even if you remove the sandbag afterward.

 

 

Yeah, I uh... I'm pretty sure you're right. The puddles only form during Monsoon season anyway, with an extreme abundance of rain so I'm not entirely sure where the theory of it just... Coming from underground came from. Enough rain can totally cause damaging flash floods on it's own.

- we have those "coming from undeground" here too 

- one way or another stop comparing this game to real life

- if they are coming from up or down DOESNT MATTER but how making walls around your base with sandbags should prevent raining heavily INSIDE your base? I still dont know what is everyone complaining with these sandbags. They are not ROOF so yeah sandbags around your base will protect you from high tides but not from raining inside your roofless base

- putting one (or 5 for better effect) sandbags in centre of puddle actually make sense and it would suck some water in real life too (if you wish to compare fantasy game to RL)

 

 

I don't think we need some expensive flooring option to remove the challenge of monsoon season.  I think we need something relatively simple and sensible (and we need Sandbags to work properly.

 

Our intrepid heroes are making some pretty amazing stuff from magic and science.  You'd think something like a simple elevated platform to keep dry would be fairly straightforward.  What I'd propose is this:

 

Elevated Flooring = 4 Boards + 4 Bamboo per section.  Anything built on it functions and stays dry.

 

Consider:  The player still gets wet from rain so it doesn't prevent wetness as an issue.  Monsoon mosquitoes can still spawn off of it and attack you.  You would have to place structures on top of it for them to get the benefit, meaning you'd have to either place this stuff in the first place (expensive in the early game when setting up your base) or hammer down your structures and replace them (paying half the materials cost again) on the Elevated Flooring.  Either is a significant cost that mitigates but doesn't eliminate the hassles of the wet season.

 

+ not a bad idea but i think it would be a lot harder to implement elevated flooring with structures on it than just obsidian flooring IMO

 

EDIT: to your edit @grekon, i dont have any problems with monsoon season at all but looks like everyone else does so i proposed this feature AND it is cool item/mechanics/basechange for LATE GAME .)

[SirBuizelton]

Come my friend! Let's talk about it. SPILL YOUR GUTS OUT!!!

 

I won't be making a thread just to ask that question and I don't see anything wrong with you answering that question here. Besides the complaint has already been made, even before the hang ten update. Increasing the number of threads about flood won't change anything, we just have to wait for the next update now.

 

We can discuss it here and at the same give other forum guys and gals something to read. Bring it on.^^

 

(Well I actually made a thread for it already, that's what I was talking about, heh.) 

 

But in any case yeah sure whatever we can talk about it here 

 

Basically, if I'm getting a good read on how most people feel about the issue of Monsoon season base floods, the main problem is not the flooding itself or the fact that machines get disabled. I think a lot of people are cool with it, myself definitely included among them, but the issue I have and the issue I felt I was hearing from other people was this:

 

We go to all this effort to try and make a nice sandbag barrier around our base or our machines specifically to try and protect them from the flooding (that is what sandbags are for after all), as a way of preparing for the issue (in the game that's all about being prepared for and overcoming survival issues) and then we just end up with bad luck and find that puddles spawned inside our bases anyway and our efforts to mitigate the flooding problem - at least for a very small area of the world that we'd like to be able to have a breather in - actually just epic failed and we just trapped the water in with us. 

 

And I personally am trying to say "Please. No nerf to the season. It's great. I like it a lot. But I think it would be really cool if there was an actual way to be able to remove those puddles from our base so sandbags can really have their time to shine during monsoon season and be worth all the bamboo and sand we spent." So I initially started a thread about the idea of a new material (Sea Sponge) that could be used for several purposes and items, one of them being a sponge mop - with very few uses - that we could use to actually get rid of the puddles that spawn in our base.

 

It'd be little more than blatantly wasteful to try to use it to clean up the massive floods outside your base, but it could give you a chance to lay claim to a small area that you can actually keep dry for the season with the combined planning of lots of sandbags and a mop or two. And obviously this would hardly even detract from the main difficulties of the season, the heavy rainfalls, the fact that all the islands will end up totally flooded, especially in the second year of monsoon season.

 

I like this idea because I'd like more options for the Monsoon season. Maybe some people would rather not have to just throw up their hands and say "Well I guess I just have to accept that all my food in that fridge I earned is going to rot and I have to just deal with this." To me it's just not as fun. Not a huge deal at all, just less fun. Pretty much everything else in the game can be dealt with and avoided by planning and strategy.Even moving your base offscreen every time it rains doesn't keep it from flooding. I'd love to see skilled and knowledgeable players have the ability to conquer it in at least this one small way.

 

That's my take on it anyway, hopefully it makes sense. 

[grekon]

That's my take on it anyway, hopefully it makes sense.

Yeah I get it. If you spent time preparing for the flood you should be able to prevent it that is if game's intention is indeed to allow you to prevent that from happening.

 

Unfortunately I am offended..

Even moving your base offscreen every time it rains doesn't keep it from flooding.

There is a way to prevent the puddles from spawning in your base if it isn't too big and I actually posted the solution twice. I feel like nobody pays attention to what I say...(cries)(RAGE!) IM NOT DOING IT AGAIN, FIND IT YOURSELF!!!

[SirBuizelton]

Yeah I get it. If you spent time preparing for the flood you should be able to prevent it that is if game's intention is indeed to allow you to prevent that from happening.

 

Unfortunately I am offended..

 

 

There is a way to prevent the puddles from spawning in your base if it isn't too big and I actually posted the solution twice. I feel like nobody pays attention to what I say...(cries)(RAGE!) IM NOT DOING IT AGAIN, FIND IT YOURSELF!!!

 

Sorry, I just never saw it