absu206 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Here me out. The player can kite every giant in the game - taking little damage if skilled enough - except for the dragonfly. Perhaps if the dragonfly wasn't as dangerous as the others, this would seem more fair. It would be a trade-off of sorts. The thing is... he hits pretty hard, and wrecks any mobs he encounters within seconds, because of his AoE attack. On top of this, the dragonfly needs to be dealt with the quickest because he can burn down an entire base, and/or an entire forest. All of this limits the player's options for dealing with him. Only decent method I've seen for killing him involves a stack of gunpowder. The balance seems off when comparing him to other giants. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
emrextreme Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Nope nope nope nope nope There are many ways to kill dragonfly adn better leave it that way, this game needs more strategies to kill mobs other than kiting. I say ask for other giants unkitable if you want balance. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDeusMachina Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 In my opinion, he's perfect like this. If anything, I wish the other giants were as hard to fight. I'm glad there is at least one mob in the game that we actually need to think before killing, instead of going X hits + dodge. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalloViking Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 It's not minecraft brah, monsters are here to kill you, not the opposite. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
absu206 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 Nope nope nope nope nope There are many ways to kill dragonfly adn better leave it that way, this game needs more strategies to kill mobs other than kiting. I say ask for other giants unkitable if you want balance.What are the many ways to kill the Dragonfly? Like I said, it seems options are more limited while fighting him, since you're going to take so much damage from him in melee combat. In my opinion, he's perfect like this. If anything, I wish the other giants were as hard to fight. I'm glad there is at least one mob in the game that we actually need to think before killing, instead of going X hits + dodge.I think you're idea is better than how it's implemented now. My main issue is how much tougher he is compared to the other giants. The inconsistency doesn't feel right. Like I said, for all the damage he can do to the environment, he's very difficult to fight. I also noticed when he's frozen by the ice staff, the duration of the freeze effect is much shorter than the other giants. Again, I would be fine with this(a resistance because he's of the fire element), but he's already a freakin' beast as it is. I guess I'm not sure which way I'd rather the balance go. Either make the other giants tougher to reach his level, so they'd be more scary, or just tweak the Dragonfly to be more in line with the other giants. Another reason why I was thinking it would be better to nerf the Dragonfly down to the levels of the other giants is because I don't think at this point Klei would rebalance all of the giants. Tweaking one giant would be easier for them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
absu206 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 I just wanted to add that I don't think the other giants are complete pushovers, and I don't want them to be a joke. I do find the others challenging, even if they are kiteable. If my attack rhythm gets messed up I'll get hurt pretty badly. Maybe you guys are better at fighting than me, but I still find it tense fighting them. I just feel with the Dragonfly, its either have a lot of blowdarts/gunpowder or run(which as I already stated is a problem since he can burn down the world as you're running). The most dangerous giant needs to be killed the fastest. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDeusMachina Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 By the way, you can kill the dragonfly in melee with a spear it you really want to. I did it and there are many videos on youtube of people doing it as well. You will just require more than one football helmet and more than one log armor, which means that killing him requires preparation. However, building all that equipment is not really different from farming blue feathers all winter long and reeds to make blow darts (and let's face it, football helmet and log armor are far less expansive ressources). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
absu206 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 By the way, you can kill the dragonfly in melee with a spear it you really want to. I did it and there are many videos on youtube of people doing it as well. You will just require more than one football helmet and more than one log armor, which means that killing him requires preparation. However, building all that equipment is not really different from farming blue feathers all winter long and reeds to make blow darts (and let's face it, football helmet and log armor are far less expansive ressources).Interesting. Doing it that way doesn't require healing? I thought even with backup armors, he'd kill you before you could kill him. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDeusMachina Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Interesting. Doing it that way doesn't require healing? I thought even with backup armors, he'd kill you before you could kill him. Well you might need some healing, but I don't see a problem with it! All part of the plan! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
absu206 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 Well you might need some healing, but I don't see a problem with it! All part of the plan! Thanks! I'll try that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orian34 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Why do you always want to Kill/Fight monsters... They were supposed to be feared("Reign of giants"! BRAAAAAH) and now, they're post of people who want to nerf one of them because it is tougher than the others to kill...Joking right? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDeusMachina Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Why do you always want to Kill/Fight monsters... It is for the trophy my brother, for the trophy! Who can resist the urge to sleep in a bedroll next to a freshly murdered dragonfly's head? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
absu206 Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 Why do you always want to Kill/Fight monsters... They were supposed to be feared("Reign of giants"! BRAAAAAH) and now, they're post of people who want to nerf one of them because it is tougher than the others to kill...Joking right?Encountering a giant the first time should be scary, and it makes sense for it to be deadly. I agree. I already explained why I thought he should be tweaked. You should re-read what I wrote if you're so confused. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orian34 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Here me out. The player can kite every giant in the game - taking little damage if skilled enough - except for the dragonfly. Perhaps if the dragonfly wasn't as dangerous as the others, this would seem more fair.Brah, kill themall but nerf the dragonfly plizIt would be a trade-off of sorts. The thing is... he hits pretty hard, and wrecks any mobs he encounters within seconds, because of his AoE attack. On top of this, the dragonfly needs to be dealt with the quickest because he can burn down an entire base, and/or an entire forest.The basics for a fair and balanced giant...what's your point? All of this limits the player's options for dealing with him. Only decent method I've seen for killing him involves a stack of gunpowder.Then you have to see more because his power force you to thhink...And NO gunpowder(ashes are so powerfull!!!)!!!(Btw, he is kiteable)The balance seems off when comparing him to other giants.The only point i agree with you...others giants should be feared EVERY TIME you encounter them... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
absu206 Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 Brah, kill themall but nerf the dragonfly plizI don't understand what you're saying here.The basics for a fair and balanced giant...what's your point?You're misunderstanding me. I am saying that he is the most dangerous giant because he can burn down a great area of stuff. This is cool! It makes him unique, and scary. Although, if he's going to be allowed to wreck the environment, I don't think he should be the most difficult giant to fight.Then you have to see more because his power force you to thhink...And NO gunpowder(ashes are so powerfull!!!)!!!(Btw, he is kiteable)I didn't know about ashes putting him to sleep. I read about that after I wrote this thread. Also, NeoDeusMachina mentioned I should carry around healing items. That was a good tip. I tend to forget about salves and poultices. You keep saying fighting him forces the player to think. Well, you can suggest other tactics in this thread you know, rather than being so rude. It would probably help me and possibly other readersThe only point i agree with you...others giants should be feared EVERY TIME you encounter them...You put such emphasis on "EVERY TIME", but I would argue that if the player is experienced and prepared to deal with a giant, then it shouldn't HAVE to scare him. That's just forcing it."Why do you always want to Kill/Fight monsters..."The answer is pretty basic. This is a game where we're constantly trying to overcome new obstacles, and when it comes to mobs that want to kill us, naturally we want to kill them and see what loot they drop. Giants are the most interesting to defeat because of the rare items they drop for crafting. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orian34 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Brah, kill themall but nerf the dragonfly plizI don't understand what you're saying here.You were saying, "The player can kite every giant in the game - taking little damage if skilled enough - except for the dragonfly. Perhaps if the dragonfly wasn't as dangerous as the others, this would seem more fair."So it's saying : We can kill allozem but dragonfly is hard nerf him.The basics for a fair and balanced giant...what's your point?You're misunderstanding me. I am saying that he is the most dangerous giant because he can burn down a great area of stuff. This is cool! It makes him unique, and scary. Although, if he's going to be allowed to wreck the environment, I don't think he should be the most difficult giant to fight.You're right and i say it, make the others giants harder!Then you have to see more because his power force you to thhink...And NO gunpowder(ashes are so powerfull!!!)!!!(Btw, he is kiteable)I didn't know about ashes putting him to sleep. I read about that after I wrote this thread. Also, NeoDeusMachina mentioned I should carry around healing items. That was a good tip. I tend to forget about salves and poultices. You keep saying fighting him forces the player to think. Well, you can suggest other tactics in this thread you know, rather than being so rude. It would probably help me and possibly other readersThe gunpowder is my nemesis but you can use it. Ashworks pretty well, kite if you want so, all ranged weapons, forest of rock lobsters is very effective! Other giants are well( spider queen, treeguard, warg). Every single monster that can it him. Etc...bee mine very effective too.(houndius shoutius etc BAK BAL BLA)The only point i agree with you...others giants should be feared EVERY TIME you encounter them...You put such emphasis on "EVERY TIME", but I would argue that if the player is experienced and prepared to deal with a giant, then it shouldn't HAVE to scare him. That's just forcing it.It's the reign of giants, not the "every 20 days i have some monster coming, BLAH gunpowder sleeping lol"(even withoutgunpowder!)"Why do you always want to Kill/Fight monsters..."The answer is pretty basic. This is a game where we're constantly trying to overcome new obstacles, and when it comes to mobs that want to kill us, naturally we want to kill them and see what loot they drop. Giants are the most interesting to defeat because of the rare items they drop for crafting.Again, it's not a kill them all game, it's survival game, of course you can kill or fight but you main cause is to survive, so sometimes(often) you should rrun for your life(especially for the giants)...not run for the others lives... Talk to the Luggage about his master life... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-491864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
absu206 Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 Talk to the Luggage about his master life...I'm having trouble understanding a lot of your writing. Maybe English is your second language. Either way, throughout this thread, you've been exaggerating what I'm saying. I think the other giants are fine. They are challenging for me. Deerclops and Bearger in particular mess up my base and its pretty tense having to deal with them. I thought the Moose/Goose was a bit too easy until I discovered the babies. That was a great idea by Klei adding them in. All of the giants have killed me at some point. Obviously your experiences have been much different than mine. You must be a better player than me, if the other giants are so easy for you to kill. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-492056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyAzure Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Personally I haven't yet had the pleasure of killing him, I would rather keep him as a secret weapon but since thats not going to happen I will plan on going after him with a dark sword and armor and hope for the best..I will also make sure I have an effigy before I do it. No fear! I will feel terrible once it is done...those big cute eyes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-492060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
orian34 Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I'm having trouble understanding a lot of your writing. Maybe English is your second language. Either way, throughout this thread, you've been exaggerating what I'm saying. I think the other giants are fine. They are challenging for me. Deerclops and Bearger in particular mess up my base and its pretty tense having to deal with them. I thought the Moose/Goose was a bit too easy until I discovered the babies. That was a great idea by Klei adding them in. All of the giants have killed me at some point. Obviously your experiences have been much different than mine. You must be a better player than me, if the other giants are so easy for you to kill.It is a reference to some books about a running life... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/36978-make-the-dragonfly-kiteable/#findComment-492121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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