Who do you think would get the next skilltree

[DimokKio]

7 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

It's worse because if Wendy players complained about others being able to use Abigail, or if others could use BERNIE! or if other players could use Codex Umbra... The complaints would be endless and it would've been fixed 3 minutes after.

Meanwhile, the Steam Workshop mod that makes Abigail available for all characters is the third most popular of all time. On the other hand, I totally understand you and stand with you on this particular message.

Edited May 21 by DimokKio

[Nikki Darks]

2 hours ago, DimokKio said:

Meanwhile, the Steam Workshop mod that makes Abigail available for all characters is the third most popular of all time. On the other hand, I totally understand you and stand with you on this particular message.

 

I would have NOTHING against Maxwell reading books if it was a mod, but it's in the game so it's an issue.

[DimokKio]

4 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

I would have NOTHING against Maxwell reading books if it was a mod, but it's in the game so it's an issue.

I think we’ve figured out Wickerbottom. What can you say about Webber? Do you think there are characters in the game who encroach on his identity the same way Maxwell encroaches on Wickerbottom?

6 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

I would have NOTHING against Maxwell reading books if it was a mod, but it's in the game so it's an issue.

By the way, I remember the Russian PvP community finding a glitch a couple of years ago that allowed anyone to use the Codex Umbra, but it was quickly patched out, so you are completely right on this in that comment where I agreed with you again.

[Jakepeng99]

10 hours ago, DimokKio said:

Meanwhile, the Steam Workshop mod that makes Abigail available for all characters is the third most popular of all time. On the other hand, I totally understand you and stand with you on this particular message.

Never knew a majority of people use cheat mods

[Nikki Darks]

12 hours ago, DimokKio said:

I think we’ve figured out Wickerbottom. What can you say about Webber? Do you think there are characters in the game who encroach on his identity the same way Maxwell encroaches on Wickerbottom?

By the way, I remember the Russian PvP community finding a glitch a couple of years ago that allowed anyone to use the Codex Umbra, but it was quickly patched out, so you are completely right on this in that comment where I agreed with you again.

Webber was found dead in a ditch after Wendy got her refresh, and even worse when she got her skill tree.

This is just an overall issue of Klei listening to people who cry "It's not fair!" when not everyone is good at farming spiders, not everyone has aoe, not everyone has a revive, etc, etc.

Also Wurt just completely took Webber's identity, Idk why they felt the need to add a Webber 2.0 to the game in the first place. Cheaper and better followers.

[DimokKio]

6 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

Webber was found dead in a ditch after Wendy got her refresh, and even worse when she got her skill tree.

This is just an overall issue of Klei listening to people who cry "It's not fair!" when not everyone is good at farming spiders, not everyone has aoe, not everyone has a revive, etc, etc.

Also Wurt just completely took Webber's identity, Idk why they felt the need to add a Webber 2.0 to the game in the first place. Cheaper and better followers.

I strongly disagree with the idea that Webber is worse than Wendy or Wurt, and this is exactly what I expected. You claim that Wickerbottom is being replaced by one character, while Webber is replaced by two. But even if that's the case, shouldn't Wickerbottom be the one to get a skill tree first? Explain your line of thinking to me.

And another thing I became curious about. Even setting the gameplay mechanics aside, what do you think of him as a character? How do you feel about his story, design, personality, quotes, and all those things that aren't tied to perks, but are connected to his identity instead?

[Nikki Darks]

10 minutes ago, DimokKio said:

I strongly disagree with the idea that Webber is worse than Wendy or Wurt, and this is exactly what I expected. You claim that Wickerbottom is being replaced by one character, while Webber is replaced by two. But even if that's the case, shouldn't Wickerbottom be the one to get a skill tree first? Explain your line of thinking to me.

And another thing I became curious about. Even setting the gameplay mechanics aside, what do you think of him as a character? How do you feel about his story, design, personality, quotes, and all those things that aren't tied to perks, but are connected to his identity instead?

I don't even think Wickerbottom needs a skill tree, it's just that I KNOW Klei will not* put aside 2 minutes tops to remove the reader tag from Maxwell, so the only hope I have of this issue being fixed is a skill tree for her.

The character IMO is fine as is.

Edited May 21 by Nikki Darks

[DimokKio]

4 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

I don't even think Wickerbottom needs a skill tree, it's just that I KNOW Klei will put aside 2 minutes tops to remove the reader tag from Maxwell, so the only hope I have of this issue being fixed is a skill tree for her.

The character IMO is fine as is.

And this is genuinely strange: claiming that Webber isn't needed because 'every character is better than Webber,' yet these exact same people don't want a skill tree for him. How does that make sense? 

[Nikki Darks]

18 minutes ago, DimokKio said:

And this is genuinely strange: claiming that Webber isn't needed because 'every character is better than Webber,' yet these exact same people don't want a skill tree for him. How does that make sense? 

Because you can still enjoy playing Webber. People enjoy playing Wes and he is awful.

It's all personal preference.

Wickerbottom is one of my 2 mains, I love playing her, it just feels miserable to have someone join the server as Maxwell and make me feel like I'll be just as useful if I never rejoined the server again.

[gaymime]

12 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Never knew a majority of people use cheat mods

all mods are "cheat" mods if you decide they are : /

[Jakepeng99]

7 hours ago, gaymime said:

all mods are "cheat" mods if you decide they are : /

Not dropping stuff on death

[DimokKio]

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

Because you can still enjoy playing Webber. People enjoy playing Wes and he is awful.

Wes was initially created for hardcore players to provide a challenge. As for Webber, I don't consider him weak or useless at all. He is enjoyable to play, highly versatile, and in PvP - no matter what you might think - he can absolutely wreck many other characters. Throughout my PvP experience in 2024–2025, I’ve repeatedly encountered seasoned, regular PvP players claiming that Webber is broken or even no-skill. A few times, this was even said by Wendy players, both before and after her skill tree was released. I've only seen a Wurt player once, right when her skill tree dropped, and even then, I defeated them as Webber with no trouble. At the same time, Webber uniquely rewards and encourages learning the game and building muscle memory. Casuals and beginners can push past their personal records just by setting up a spider base, while more experienced players can take down bosses with minimal preparation.

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

It's all personal preference.

Fair enough.

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

Wickerbottom is one of my 2 mains, I love playing her, it just feels miserable to have someone join the server as Maxwell and make me feel like I'll be just as useful if I never rejoined the server again.

I understand you very deeply. Back in 2023, after a year-long burnout from DST, I was struggling to choose a character - none of them really clicked with me until I started maining Webber. Back then, I felt a bit milder about the whole thing compared to how you feel now. I didn't see Wurt as his replacement (which made sense since she didn't have a skill tree back then, and honestly, even with her tree now, she doesn't replace him - she just got a little bit closer to it in my personal opinion), unlike Wendy. And back then, I felt the exact same disharmony over it as you do regarding the Maxwell-Wickerbottom dilemma. It truly hurts when you are basically pushed out of your own territory, your home, your job. In this situation, you can either try to do everything you can for the future of your favorite character if you really dislike how things are, or, if things aren't that bad, try to re-evaluate them and figure out what actually keeps drawing you back to them, instead of switching to someone you consider better at their job. Personally, I found my reason to play Webber over anyone else through a couple of factors. First was the pure sense of discovery. You start by learning things that feel like a personal revelation, and eventually, you uncover details the average player doesn't even know. This completely debunks all the negative stereotypes about him, showing they are either highly exaggerated or completely false and usually born because a guide or the wiki said or didn't say something. Then you start inventing strategies, choosing which spiders to bring, and planning your next move. By testing any mechanics or updates, you discover secrets that would shock many players, and you keep them to yourself like hidden, arcane knowledge or a secret martial art. It’s that exact leap into the unknown, forging your own path without guides or hints, which is something players crave nowadays but fail to find. The second factor is versatility. Even without a skill tree, Webber still has more specialized units than characters who already have one. You’ve got regular spiders, tanks, healers, ranged fighters, perfect counters for non-flying mobs (Shattered Spiders), and even ones that can walk on water. Regular spiders can sometimes be more useful than Spider Warriors- not just because they are easily accessible in huge numbers, but because their attack speed is faster, which means they actually deal more damage. Heck, there's even a slight, subtle difference in stats between Warriors and Depth Dwellers. Sure, Wurt catches up in the number of units with her skill tree, but looking at them, you can basically just divide them into regular and warrior types - from what I know, the warrior is essentially just a regular Merm but stronger across the board. So it’s basically two types of Merms multiplied by regular, lunar, and shadow variants. With Wendy, it’s even scarcer: with her skill tree, you just choose between a stronger Shadow Abigail, or an even stronger but single-target Gestalt Abigail with no AoE damage. Yes, she has elixirs, and her skill tree grants her a bit more control, but without it, her unit control is on the exact same level as Webber’s right now, with no tree. And if we look at them before their trees, Wendy just has one type of Abigail and her elixirs, period. Both of the girls get boring much faster, and they don't bring as much joy because the element of active participation or helping your units is missing. Wendy lacks the army-building element that Wurt has, while Wurt lacks the direct unit control that Wendy has. Webber, even without a skill tree, possesses both, even if not to the same extreme. And managing an army gives you way more satisfaction, again, because of the variety of creatures at your disposal. This same logic - that Webber has a bit of this and a bit of that - can easily be traced throughout his base stats and perks as well. I could write even more, but this is already a huge wall of text. Since you’ve read this far, as a thank you, I want to help you re-evaluate your feeling of uselessness when playing Wickerbottom. I used to main both of them a long time ago, before my year-long burnout, but even so, my next question remains the same. Wickerbottom and Maxwell are on a server, each armed with the 'Sleepy Stories' book. Who do you think wins in a 1v1 fight: Wickerbottom with 125 HP and sleep immunity, or Maxwell with 75 HP who can get stun locked before falling asleep? I think the answer is obvious. There is a final, most difficult, but most rewarding method: to rebuild your entire approach to getting enjoyment from games. Realize that you need to find joy in the game in all its forms, not just in its meta. You can’t get new experiences by constantly walking down the same beaten path, and playing out the exact same scenario every time will just make the game tedious and boring. There’s no need to fear something just because it’s inefficient or purely decorative, nor should you be afraid of the challenge that comes with trying other characters or alternative ways of playing especially if it doesn't harm anyone else. After all, it’s much better to stay in your worlds longer, engaging in all sorts of crazy activities or building something extraordinary, just to truly absorb the atmosphere of the work you’ve put into it. In any case, as a final note, I just want to wish you all the best. If you have any questions left, I’d be happy to hear them and maybe I'll answer. In the meantime, I’m off to play with my buddies.

[gaymime]

2 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Not dropping stuff on death

ds/t are the ONLY games i own where this happens. i have 104 steam games, about 31 non-steam pc games(i actually am not sure if a couple count as mods or their own things given how far from the source they are), i have 4 gba games 2 gb games, i have an unnumbered amount of ps360 and ps2 games that occupy two large deep drawers. this is it. only these two games force players to drop their stuff then force them to go back and get it.

ds/t are not competitive games. not only do i not see anything "cheaty" about people using that mod i also use that mod in half my solo games because when i dont i absolutely will NOT use touchstones, i waste life amulets, will start leaning on rollbacks and often just leave my stuff wherever it got dropped and make new stuff unless something in there was too precious to just let go of(hense the waste and hubris). it is a game choice that is pretty unpopular for a reason and i understand why more than 2 million people are subscribed to this mod. you don't learn anything from having your items drop on the ground other than not to play the game. you don't gain anything from it being there aside from paranoia. it doesnt make you a better fighter or survivor or make you cleverer; it just punishes you for being attached to your things. it literally hurts noone outside of the rare pvp battler and frankly they arent using these kinds of mods.

[Jakepeng99]

4 minutes ago, gaymime said:

ds/t are the ONLY games i own where this happens. i have 104 steam games, about 31 non-steam pc games(i actually am not sure if a couple count as mods or their own things given how far from the source they are), i have 4 gba games 2 gb games, i have an unnumbered amount of ps360 and ps2 games that occupy two large deep drawers. this is it. only these two games force players to drop their stuff then force them to go back and get it.

ds/t are not competitive games. not only do i not see anything "cheaty" about people using that mod i also use that mod in half my solo games because when i dont i absolutely will NOT use touchstones, i waste life amulets, will start leaning on rollbacks and often just leave my stuff wherever it got dropped and make new stuff unless something in there was too precious to just let go of(hense the waste and hubris). it is a game choice that is pretty unpopular for a reason and i understand why more than 2 million people are subscribed to this mod. you don't learn anything from having your items drop on the ground other than not to play the game. you don't gain anything from it being there aside from paranoia. it doesnt make you a better fighter or survivor or make you cleverer; it just punishes you for being attached to your things. it literally hurts noone outside of the rare pvp battler and frankly they arent using these kinds of mods.

Minecraft has it.

[gaymime]

3 hours ago, DimokKio said:

First was the pure sense of discovery. You start by learning things that feel like a personal revelation, and eventually, you uncover details the average player doesn't even know. This completely debunks all the negative stereotypes about him, showing they are either highly exaggerated or completely false and usually born because a guide or the wiki said or didn't say something. Then you start inventing strategies,

thankyou! you basically said 90% of why i adore playing wes(the other 10 being he's a cutie<3) this is the kind of thing i want people people to experience and why i don't ever discourage newbies from playing whichever character they like the look of

3 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Minecraft has it.

ok? i dont play minecraft. i said it is an unpopular design choice not that it doesn't happen.

Edited May 22 by gaymime
type faster than i can spell, lol

[Naifxoxo]

On 5/21/2026 at 2:23 PM, Jakepeng99 said:

Never knew a majority of people use cheat mods

all pc players use cheaty mods , zoom+ considers as cheating btw

On 5/22/2026 at 2:06 AM, Nikki Darks said:

Because you can still enjoy playing Webber. People enjoy playing Wes and he is awful.

It's all personal preference.

Wickerbottom is one of my 2 mains, I love playing her, it just feels miserable to have someone join the server as Maxwell and make me feel like I'll be just as useful if I never rejoined the server again.

ppl enjoy wes because beefalo exist and they js abuse beefalo , by using beefalo ur playing beefalo ur not playing wes ,

 

if beefs didnt exist or wes couldn't tame beef no one will play wes , only new players

[Nikki Darks]

3 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

all pc players use cheaty mods , zoom+ considers as cheating btw

ppl enjoy wes because beefalo exist and they js abuse beefalo , by using beefalo ur playing beefalo ur not playing wes ,

 

if beefs didnt exist or wes couldn't tame beef no one will play wes , only new players

No I definitely know people who love playing Wes and never bother with beefalo.

[Naifxoxo]

On 5/22/2026 at 1:49 PM, gaymime said:

ds/t are the ONLY games i own where this happens. i have 104 steam games, about 31 non-steam pc games(i actually am not sure if a couple count as mods or their own things given how far from the source they are), i have 4 gba games 2 gb games, i have an unnumbered amount of ps360 and ps2 games that occupy two large deep drawers. this is it. only these two games force players to drop their stuff then force them to go back and get it.

ds/t are not competitive games. not only do i not see anything "cheaty" about people using that mod i also use that mod in half my solo games because when i dont i absolutely will NOT use touchstones, i waste life amulets, will start leaning on rollbacks and often just leave my stuff wherever it got dropped and make new stuff unless something in there was too precious to just let go of(hense the waste and hubris). it is a game choice that is pretty unpopular for a reason and i understand why more than 2 million people are subscribed to this mod. you don't learn anything from having your items drop on the ground other than not to play the game. you don't gain anything from it being there aside from paranoia. it doesnt make you a better fighter or survivor or make you cleverer; it just punishes you for being attached to your things. it literally hurts noone outside of the rare pvp battler and frankly they arent using these kinds of mods.

instead of dropping, this teaches u to get good at the game, thats the reward , instead of dying to spiders like a new player just because spiders wont eat ur food since u have the mod , u will approach it differently without the mod 

3 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

No I definitely know people who love playing Wes and never bother with beefalo.

people? who exactly, 1 player ?

Edited May 23 by Naifxoxo

[Jakepeng99]

53 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

if beefs didnt exist or wes couldn't tame beef no one will play wes , only new players

Your acting like Wes is meant to be a competitive character. People don’t really play him to negate his downsides and use his powerful upsides.

48 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

people? who exactly, 1 player ?

You play Wes for the challenge and to troll people.

Unless you just like being him, playing him just to negate his downsides is pointless.

[Naifxoxo]

36 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Your acting like Wes is meant to be a competitive character. People don’t really play him to negate his downsides and use his powerful upsides.

You play Wes for the challenge and to troll people.

Unless you just like being him, playing him just to negate his downsides is pointless.

every wes post i hv seen is just them abusing beefalo

37 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Your acting like Wes is meant to be a competitive character. People don’t really play him to negate his downsides and use his powerful upsides.

You play Wes for the challenge and to troll people.

Unless you just like being him, playing him just to negate his downsides is pointless.

wes isnt challenging, theres a difference from being boring or actual challenging , wes is just boring 

[Mysterious box]

On 5/21/2026 at 6:27 PM, DimokKio said:

I strongly disagree with the idea that Webber is worse than Wendy or Wurt, and this is exactly what I expected.

So while Wendy is definitely not an accurate comparison because how they approach combat is different even if only to a smaller degree Wurt definitely replaced Webber but that's mainly due to Wurt's skill tree and qol updates over the years. Wurt's merms used to be costly to upkeep and I think that was by design to keep a level of balance between them. Merms were recruited 1 at a time meaning maintaining large merm forces was extra costly especially early on.

Spiders advantages were as follows

• Easy to recruit in mass
• Eternally loyal after recruited 
• Healer spider
• Ability to command them with whistle for combat advantages and stopping them from eating food off the ground

Spider Disadvantages were

• Lower damage individually 
• Low hp
• Weak to panic abilities
• Weak to aoe

however this balanced well with old merms who had

• Higher damage
• High hp
• Immunity to panic
• The ability to chop and mine

But had the weakness of

• Limited loyalty and individual loyalty timers
• Costly upkeep
• Lots of setup required

Basically Webber was the more chill option suited to shorter term runs or just runs where you didn't want to invest too much time into follower upkeep while Wurt held the role of heavy investment paying off into very powerful followers.

however qol updates and skill trees flipped this dynamic on it's head.

Merms now read like this for advantages:

• Even Higher damage
• High hp, damage reduction, dodging, and more...
• Immunity to panic
• The ability to chop, mine, till plots, and dig much faster
• Easy to recruit in mass
• Eternally loyal after recruited via alignment method
• Passive hp regen

Webbers not useless or anything like people say and I still really like the character but character wise there's nothing he really excels at that Wurt doesn't already do but excluding his whistle but at the same time I don't think it's entirely fair to compare him to a character who has received years of qol updates to make her what she is today and then a skill tree as well on top of that.

All this to say yes Wurt replaced Webber but I still feel like Webber has a niche as more of a pikmin style of summoner.

Edit: I should also add that Webber is definitely the most accessible minion horde character for newer players among the horde minion characters available and that definitely counts for some as well. 

Edited May 24 by Mysterious box

[GrapeVruit]

7 hours ago, Naifxoxo said:

instead of dropping, this teaches u to get good at the game, thats the reward , instead of dying to spiders like a new player just because spiders wont eat ur food since u have the mod , u will approach it differently without the mod 

people? who exactly, 1 player ?

Last year, I actually decided to do a play through as Wes, mainly due to people on the forums saying he was either boring or that he couldn't do much of anything. It lit a flame in my heart like nothing else on the forums did, and made me give the mime a whirl. And while the early game was a little dull, I came out of the whole ordeal having a blast! Not having super powerful abilities at my disposal and having to use the tools the world gave me made for a much more engaging experience, and with his low hp and damage, boss fights became much more engaging and rewarding than they were as any other character. I remember beating CC late at night in my college dorm room and screaming at the top of my lungs as a waterfall of dopamine flowed throughout my entire body. It's something I haven't felt from killing the boss in quite some time. While Wes has a laundry list of downsides, his biggest upside is the large amounts of excitement you'll experience from killing bosses, or just surviving in general (plus some of the best skin sets in the game, too).

It also made me consider which fights were worth taking, something that I don't even think about with the rest of the cast. I remember taking rock lobsters down to the ruins with me when I went to clear them for the first time. With how much hp the clockworks have, paired with Wes' low damage and health, taking the head-on approach probably wouldn't have been the best idea. So, I hired a bunch of rock lobsters to do all the dirty work for me and, with their high health and damage, I was able to safely clear out all the statues and broken piles in the 2 branches. Compare this to most of the roster, where I could've used lunar flames, combustion, Abigail, spiders, shadow duelists, Wolfgang's double damage, or various circuit combos to trivialize a good portion of the ruins.

These are some of the reasons why Wes is such a fun and rewarding character to play as. In a world where so many characters have access to great damage, AoE, teleportation, or a slew of powerful abilities, some which can make the game boring in the long-term, it's refreshing to have a character who doesn't have that luxury, and instead needs to use what the world gives you in order to succeed. Moreover, with how weak he is compared to the rest of the characters, basic survival becomes much more exciting and fun, and reminds me of playing DST for the first time all over again, with you being an incredibly brittle man surviving in a world with terrifying creatures, a constant need for food, being on the brink of insanity each and everyday, and facing insurmountable odds. If you think the game has gotten a bit too easy with skill trees, I'd highly recommend trying out Wes. I guarantee he'll change the way you approach a normal DST play through. 

I've posted some screenshots of my misadventures in my Wes play through if you're curious about certain parts of my journey: 

 

7 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

No I definitely know people who love playing Wes and never bother with beefalo.

The only thing I used beefalo for in my Wes run was moving the pieces/lunar altars and getting around the map. I feel like using an ornery beefalo as Wes to deal with his low hp and damage KINDA defeats the purpose of the character. Like, you play the character that has the lowest stats and damage just to offset it with a beefalo? I mean, I understand why, but at that point you could just play someone like Wilson or something.

Edited May 24 by GrapeVruit

[Mysterious box]

46 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

A few years ago, I actually decided to do a play through as Wes, mainly due to people on the forums saying he was either boring or that he couldn't do much of anything. It lit a flame in my heart like nothing else on the forums did, and made me give the mime a whirl. And while the early game was a little dull, I came out of the whole ordeal having a blast! Not having super powerful abilities at my disposal and having to use the tools the world gave me made for a much more engaging experience, and with his low hp and damage, boss fights became much more engaging and rewarding than they were as any other character. I remember beating CC late at night in my college dorm room and screaming at the top of my lungs as a waterfall of dopamine flowed throughout my entire body. It's something I haven't felt from killing the boss in quite some time. While Wes has a laundry list of downsides, his biggest upside is the large amounts of excitement you'll experience from killing bosses, or just surviving in general (plus some of the best skin sets in the game, too).

It also made me consider which fights were worth taking, something that I don't even think about with the rest of the cast. I remember taking rock lobsters down to the ruins with me when I went to clear them for the first time. With how much hp the clockworks have, paired with Wes' low damage and health, taking the head-on approach probably wouldn't have been the best idea. So, I hired a bunch of rock lobsters to do all the dirty work for me and, with their high health and damage, I was able to safely clear out all the statues and broken piles in the 2 branches. Compare this to most of the roster, where I could've used lunar flames, combustion, Abigail, spiders, shadow duelists, Wolfgang's double damage, or various circuit combos to trivialize a good portion of the ruins.

These are some of the reasons why Wes is such a fun and rewarding character to play as. In a world where so many characters have access to great damage, AoE, teleportation, or a slew of powerful abilities, some which can make the game boring in the long-term, it's refreshing to have a character who doesn't have that luxury, and instead needs to use what the world gives you in order to succeed. Moreover, with how weak he is compared to the rest of the characters, basic survival becomes much more exciting and fun, and reminds me of playing DST for the first time all over again, with you being an incredibly brittle man surviving in a world with terrifying creatures, a constant need for food, being on the brink of insanity each and everyday, and facing insurmountable odds. If you think the game has gotten a bit too easy with skill trees, I'd highly recommend trying out Wes. I guarantee he'll change the way you approach a normal DST play through. 

I've posted some screenshots of my misadventures in my Wes play through if you're curious about certain parts of my journey: 

 

The only thing I used beefalo for in my Wes run was moving the pieces/lunar altars and getting around the map. I feel like using an ornery beefalo as Wes to deal with his low hp and damage KINDA defeats the purpose of the character. Like, you play the character that has the lowest stats and damage just to offset it with a beefalo? I mean, I understand why, but at that point you could just play someone like Wilson or something.

Yeah Wes really is fun when you really sit down and play with him as he lacks all the distractions and side quests that have become so baked into the post skill tree world.

 

Personally I also like his teamplay abilities as his gives a interesting window into what perks could have been in dst synergy wise without going as far as skill trees and some refreshes went. Some of my favorites are how his speedy balloons become flares on the map if you release them while they still have air and how his party balloons sanity gain scales based on how many people stay in the glitter.

[GrapeVruit]

12 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Yeah Wes really is fun when you really sit down and play with him as he lacks all the distractions and side quests that have become so baked into the post skill tree world.

 

Personally I also like his teamplay abilities as his gives a interesting window into what perks could have been in dst synergy wise without going as far as skill trees and some refreshes went. Some of my favorites are how his speedy balloons become flares on the map if you release them while they still have air and how his party balloons sanity gain scales based on how many people stay in the glitter.

Yeah, I'd like Klei to dive into making Wes a more supportive character when his skill tree comes out. They've established that Wes' bad luck and misfortune causes others great benefit, so giving him more support-related abilities for his team while not providing much benefit for himself would be a solid direction to go in. Honestly, I live for the day where players who see a Wes join their servers go from "Oh, it's Wes..." to "Oh, it's Wes!". While Wes players will have a tougher time compared to their teammates, the amount of good they could potentially provide for their teammates would be awesome to see, making him the most selfless survivor in the Constant.

[Jakepeng99]

On 5/21/2026 at 11:27 PM, DimokKio said:

strongly disagree with the idea that Webber is worse than Wendy or Wurt, and this is exactly what I expected

Webber is significantly weaker than wurt. Webber has a very slight advantage on day 1, but is blown to the point of obscurity in a matter of days.