HowlVoid Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) Remember when they said the petal ability for wormwood was problematic because it had "more uses than intended". So why does Wx-78 get a million uses with a single ability with this terminator cloud skynet b*lls*it. Im seething bro Edited March 22 by HowlVoid 13 5 1 1 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AveHortor Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 20 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: Remember when they said the petal ability for wormwood was problematic because it had "more uses than intended". So why does Wx-78 get a million uses with a single ability with this termatinator cloud skynet b*lls*it. Im seething bro I miss that ability every time I play Wormwood, which isn't often but still. 2 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Giggio Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 24 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: Im seething bro Just go play and stop spamming stuff on comands... 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuernito. Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 What i do remember is that some people started topics saying the skill was really bad then suddenly klei removed it and after that everyone were saying it was the best skill in the whole game lmao. But even if im not correct at all, its still funny to remember. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddocc Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 It shouldn't be that a reason to be salty. It had a lot of potential tho each day you could give away garlands and fuel for campfire and compost/rot it was much better than photosynthesis but I guess any perk that involves petals(floral shroud) Spoiler Klei please add the floral shroud as a skin it was pretty 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRoboButler Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) oh yeah... the floral shroud, it was pretty I'll give it that. I forgot the name of the wormwood perk though... it seemed fine I suppose. Now the value of such a thing I can't say, considering a person could just as easily grab a heap of light bulbs and either wait for them to rot (or find toadstool) or you could feed them to were pigs and get a ton of manure. That was how I made huge amounts of farms before the farming rework, goodness that was ages ago. The nice thing about this skill tree is that the devs did mention there is a large disparity between the skill trees we are getting and the ones we got at the start, unsurprising to me personally since the simplicity of the Wilson tree felt both simple (although one might say that is fitting for him) and to others a bit lacking. With small touch ups here and there with all the new information they have now and all the things that the devs learned in making them, I am sure it won't take too long after they are done. P.S. PuH-LEEEASE Klei! The characters that have yet to get skill trees are beggin' for some updates! ...no pressure though... just been waiting for... a while... keep it up though, Klei is my favorite developer of games and the developer of some of my favorites. Edited March 22 by ZeRoboButler 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiyss Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 12 hours ago, HowlVoid said: Remember when they said the petal ability for wormwood was problematic because it had "more uses than intended". That's when they still cared about balance at all. Now characters do everything and it's whatever. Wortox can teleport with the map and it's just whatever, you kill some bees day 1 and now you don't have to get 8 nightmare fuel, 8 living logs, 5 purple gems, 8 gold and setup a teleporting station, you just right click and that's fun. This disparity of ideas made Wendy's skill tree be in the middle of this mess. She's not balanced and not fun either, just a random thing that appeared that I'm trying to ignore it even happened still. 3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 You could do so much with the petals, but it was hardly overpowered. I do hope they touch up wolfgangs skill tree the most cause that is just mostly number buffs. You get like 5 skills in a row of pure redundency. They have aged so poorly to the newer skill trees where almost every other skill offers something new. 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul7k Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 1 minute ago, HowlVoid said: You could do so much with the petals, but it was hardly overpowered. I do hope they touch up wolfgangs skill tree the most cause that is just mostly number buffs. You get like 5 skills in a row of pure redundency. They have aged so poorly to the newer skill trees where almost every other skill offers something new. 16 to be exact 13 of which you can invest in. its nice if you want something simple that is just strong I guess Edited March 23 by Soul7k Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/21/2026 at 9:45 PM, HowlVoid said: Remember when they said the petal ability for wormwood was problematic because it had "more uses than intended". Wait they actually said that? I thought they removed it because it was kind of dumb and clogged your inventory. Only uses were rot, and feeding it to beefalo. 22 hours ago, ZeRoboButler said: oh yeah... the floral shroud, it was pretty I'll give it that. I forgot the name of the wormwood perk though... it seemed fine I suppose. Now the value of such a thing I can't say, considering a person could just as easily grab a heap of light bulbs and either wait for them to rot (or find toadstool) or you could feed them to were pigs and get a ton of manure. That was how I made huge amounts of farms before the farming rework, goodness that was ages ago. The nice thing about this skill tree is that the devs did mention there is a large disparity between the skill trees we are getting and the ones we got at the start, unsurprising to me personally since the simplicity of the Wilson tree felt both simple (although one might say that is fitting for him) and to others a bit lacking. With small touch ups here and there with all the new information they have now and all the things that the devs learned in making them, I am sure it won't take too long after they are done. P.S. PuH-LEEEASE Klei! The characters that have yet to get skill trees are beggin' for some updates! ...no pressure though... just been waiting for... a while... keep it up though, Klei is my favorite developer of games and the developer of some of my favorites. They should replace shadeplanf with fhe old petal skill. Shadeplant could be a skill earlier if people like it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfario Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/21/2026 at 10:45 PM, HowlVoid said: Remember when they said the petal ability for wormwood was problematic because it had "more uses than intended". So why does Wx-78 get a million uses with a single ability with this terminator cloud skynet b*lls*it. Im seething bro You could have chosen to point this out in better manners. The developers dont have a personal vendeta against a fictional character they created, development cycles evolve and perspectives on what and what not can be done change. They had a perspective when they did wormwood and they changed that perspective now, not to mention, they already have said the new skilltrees are gonna be severely more pulished and extend than before, and that they acknowledge the older ones are gonna be left obsolete and have plans to fix that as well. The world doesnt hate wormwood, there is no weird favoritism for these fictional characters by their creators, not everything has a malicius intent behind it, sometimes stuff just happens, for better and for worse, and some people like it and some people dont. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 While I definitely don't want a skill tree rerun Wx's skill tree really reframes what I assumed was reasonable for skill trees and kinda makes me wish they did it one at a time from the start. Back when I argued Wurt's skill tree had to be the way it was I probably wouldn't have pushed that narrative if I knew something like Wx's were possible. It makes me realize merms could have definitely been nerfed and made way for more interesting gameplay had more focus been given to the character. I say this knowing Wurt is low on the list of characters who could use a skill tree refresh too. Excluding easy targets like Wilson and Wolfgang. Woodie is particularly saddening due to how much wasted potential the were side of his skill tree has as there's so many aspects it could have covered as shown by how impactful and varied Wx's is. 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/22/2026 at 10:45 AM, Swiyss said: That's when they still cared about balance at all. Now characters do everything and it's whatever. Wortox can teleport with the map and it's just whatever, you kill some bees day 1 and now you don't have to get 8 nightmare fuel, 8 living logs, 5 purple gems, 8 gold and setup a teleporting station, you just right click and that's fun. This disparity of ideas made Wendy's skill tree be in the middle of this mess. She's not balanced and not fun either, just a random thing that appeared that I'm trying to ignore it even happened still. They think making petals is OP, but giving Wolfgang a 30% damage boost and calling it a day isnt. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siren11 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 5 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said: They think making petals is OP, but giving Wolfgang a 30% damage boost and calling it a day isnt. Tbh, Wolfgang’s damage buffs are pretty insane. Boring, but insane. I wish every character could’ve gotten a skill tree as fun and interesting as Walter’s (and probably WX’s, based on what we’ve seen so far). I’m honestly a little jealous too. 5 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 They seem to hate characters that are difficult and love characters that are easy. 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRoboButler Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Cheggf said: They seem to hate characters that are difficult and love characters that are easy. I will have to put that on the hook next time I go fishing and see what I catch. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 5 minutes ago, ZeRoboButler said: I will have to put that on the hook next time I go fishing and see what I catch. Literally every skill tree makes characters easier, every single refresh has made the characters easier, and the hardest characters get the worst skill trees and worst refreshes. If anyone is trolling it's you, since the only thing you've said in this thread is an unfunny insult. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethin Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Cheggf said: the hardest characters get the worst skill trees and worst refreshes. It's weird cuz Walter is debatedy one of the best skill tree they made, but go off king. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 18 minutes ago, somethin said: It's weird cuz Walter is debatedy one of the best skill tree they made, but go off king. You mean the character who outranges everything and can just hold F without retaliation? 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edible Coal Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Just now, Cheggf said: You mean the character who outranges everything and can just hold F without retaliation? they address that mobs will now react to atk out of their range, so i imagine more bosses might have movement skills that can close gaps quickly Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRoboButler Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Cheggf said: Literally every skill tree makes characters easier, every single refresh has made the characters easier, and the hardest characters get the worst skill trees and worst refreshes. If anyone is trolling it's you, since the only thing you've said in this thread is an unfunny insult. dang my man, I am genuinely sorry. I just thought It would be a funny little joke, but I see that it wasn't and I apologize. I often don't pay much attention to what is easy or not these days, I tend to focus on what's fun so I guess my natural response to some one talking about something being easy or not was to crack a joke, which again I can see now how that would just be aggravating. I hope there are no hard feelings here. That said, to bring it back to the topic of the skill trees we got in comparison to the ones we have now, I can see why people would want changes to characters like Wolfgang. Doing extra damage is fun for a bit, but it would be nice for some unique ways to either do that damage or interactions specific to the character. For the most part it does seem to just be a lot of hitting stuff but hard, It would be funny to see wolfgang rip a tree out of the ground and swing it at the mobs similar to what he did it the "Trees-a-crowd" animation. 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 11 hours ago, Cheggf said: They seem to hate characters that are difficult and love characters that are easy. If a character being too strong is what stops them having a good skilltree, then nerfing or reworking them is a good idea. They are doing this to WX, and the reception has been pretty good since they made his base stats back to 100. I still wouldnt mind more, i feel like only the really inherently weak characters like Warly can get away with no nerfs, or characters who are one trick ponies like Wendy. 8 hours ago, Cheggf said: You mean the character who outranges everything and can just hold F without retaliation? Hes still one of the best even if they didnt fix that. IMO the buff to slowdown rounds was way too much. Giving them aoe was enough. 8 hours ago, Edible Coal said: they address that mobs will now react to atk out of their range, so i imagine more bosses might have movement skills that can close gaps quickly Would be cool if this was the case, its a needed mechanic to make ranger combat feel much less cheesy. But it might just be for the drone. I mean the problem with the drone is mainly the stunlock you can do at close range anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uedo Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Apparently it's quality.... love me some good ol' quality Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1855917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkemal23 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 3/23/2026 at 9:22 AM, HowlVoid said: You could do so much with the petals, but it was hardly overpowered. I do hope they touch up wolfgangs skill tree the most cause that is just mostly number buffs. You get like 5 skills in a row of pure redundency. They have aged so poorly to the newer skill trees where almost every other skill offers something new. Bumping this thread so klei can't miss it. I'm actually glad that klei is realizing how insane the skill tree balancing is. I hope we can get the first four skill trees reworked. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170191-bro-what-is-this-skill-tree/#findComment-1856310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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