Curly Bill Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Like I feel like im insane a little. Breaking the circuits into separate columns is a much welcomed change, encouraging more experimentation with circuits, which i love. However, i feel his base stats, now that WX has some flexibility, need to be toned down to like 100 to encourage using these stat circuits strategically. But lets go into the changes I havent seen anyone mention yet that seem game breaking or at the least a heavy power creep: Bean booster; So I saw if you upgrade the Beta Circuits you basically heal to full Hp in like 10 seconds, like no matter what? Like mid combat; doesnt matter full how much HP. You also get a rechargeable overheal shield. This is like game breaking and makes you invincible? Unless I'm missing something, this just trivializes combat; Im assuming will def be nerfed, but am curious in what direction Delivery Bot; Basically similar to Woby's delivery skill. I suppose this is fine, as the lvl 1 only carries 3 items, (lvl2 carries 6), and the robot is one-way. So not like completely invalidates Woby, but deserves an eye to be kept on it for now... Map Scanner Bots; Definitely invalidates Woodie's entire WereGoose ability; Not only accomplishes the same thing, but allows for WX to continue doing other activities simultaneously Body Doubles; So you can basically set up free teleportation stations. I feel conflicted on this, because on one hand, you cant carry over your inventory or circuits, meaning you will have to use the Delivery bots. It feels very power creep-y, but ya know, maybe it's just a really bizarre new concept im still wrapping my mind around. The drawbacks vs a complete teleportation seem like it might balance out okay. The extra live method is kind of crazy too, but I guess it does mean if you invest in the Chasis, you are losing out on some other insane upgrades elsewhere... hrmm.. tough to say yet I'm still looking into other things, but they all seem very promising and fair enough. Some standouts are: electrozapper drone; seems really cool; a unique new method of attacking that isn't just a remix on some already existing casting spell. Puts WX vulnerable while piloting it, which is neato and very 'signature WX' I do wish for some kind of drawback of some sort. Maybe im missing something, but you have like unlimited attacks with no charge/significant use cooldown electro circuit; Can be upgraded to build up a charge limit that does 300 AoE damage; I dont know if this is too strong or not, but is interesting expanding inventory circuit; really cool, and i love the recipe cost Love the illumination changes; Allow for better view in front of you, but you will need to make turns to see around you. Very neat dynamic with a light alternative, rather than just a built in lantern There's a few more base crafts i've heard, dont know if they tie to WX or not, but one is the nutrient brick, which seems kinda funny. I definitely love the additions to his base kit being done. Makes him feel more unique and fleshed out. The plug/unplug interface is awesome, makes him vulnerable while doing so, which i really like as well. 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, Curly Bill said: Maybe im missing something, but you have like unlimited attacks with no charge/significant use cooldown The item loses durability when it fires. That's about it as far as balance. Well and it controls very janky which, is fine I suppose. Good for killing birds! 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul7k Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 How did you get that effect with bean booster is it stacking 3? I had one on and the heal wasn't really super noticeable on my end Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly Bill Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 2 hours ago, Soul7k said: How did you get that effect with bean booster is it stacking 3? I had one on and the heal wasn't really super noticeable on my end I saw someone stacking two, and having the Alpha skills used; It like fully heals you every X seconds; im guessing its a bug 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyBun Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) N O Also, weregoose needs a buff. Edited March 20 by FluffyBun Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Yeah I agree. But it doesn’t outclass weregoose, were goose is for more than just mapping. It’s really good just for getting to places because it’s fast and skips edges. (Also the iconic Woodie Lunar rush) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Giggio Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 10 hours ago, Curly Bill said: Map Scanner Bots; Definitely invalidates Woodie's entire WereGoose ability; Not only accomplishes the same thing, but allows for WX to continue doing Where started this culture of comparing chars and saying if someone got something equal or similar means instant invalidation? It gotta stop, it's ridiculous to say the least. Options are healthy, the overall combo still has unicqueness to bring to the table and they are not the same thing but sharing perks in common, why we still have to talk about this till now baffles me. Edited March 20 by Mr Giggio 5 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parusoid Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 11 hours ago, Curly Bill said: Like I feel like im insane a little. Breaking the circuits into separate columns is a much welcomed change, encouraging more experimentation with circuits, which i love. However, i feel his base stats, now that WX has some flexibility, need to be toned down to like 100 to encourage using these stat circuits strategically. But lets go into the changes I havent seen anyone mention yet that seem game breaking or at the least a heavy power creep: Bean booster; So I saw if you upgrade the Beta Circuits you basically heal to full Hp in like 10 seconds, like no matter what? Like mid combat; doesnt matter full how much HP. You also get a rechargeable overheal shield. This is like game breaking and makes you invincible? Unless I'm missing something, this just trivializes combat; Im assuming will def be nerfed, but am curious in what direction Delivery Bot; Basically similar to Woby's delivery skill. I suppose this is fine, as the lvl 1 only carries 3 items, (lvl2 carries 6), and the robot is one-way. So not like completely invalidates Woby, but deserves an eye to be kept on it for now... Map Scanner Bots; Definitely invalidates Woodie's entire WereGoose ability; Not only accomplishes the same thing, but allows for WX to continue doing other activities simultaneously Body Doubles; So you can basically set up free teleportation stations. I feel conflicted on this, because on one hand, you cant carry over your inventory or circuits, meaning you will have to use the Delivery bots. It feels very power creep-y, but ya know, maybe it's just a really bizarre new concept im still wrapping my mind around. The drawbacks vs a complete teleportation seem like it might balance out okay. The extra live method is kind of crazy too, but I guess it does mean if you invest in the Chasis, you are losing out on some other insane upgrades elsewhere... hrmm.. tough to say yet I'm still looking into other things, but they all seem very promising and fair enough. Some standouts are: electrozapper drone; seems really cool; a unique new method of attacking that isn't just a remix on some already existing casting spell. Puts WX vulnerable while piloting it, which is neato and very 'signature WX' I do wish for some kind of drawback of some sort. Maybe im missing something, but you have like unlimited attacks with no charge/significant use cooldown electro circuit; Can be upgraded to build up a charge limit that does 300 AoE damage; I dont know if this is too strong or not, but is interesting expanding inventory circuit; really cool, and i love the recipe cost Love the illumination changes; Allow for better view in front of you, but you will need to make turns to see around you. Very neat dynamic with a light alternative, rather than just a built in lantern There's a few more base crafts i've heard, dont know if they tie to WX or not, but one is the nutrient brick, which seems kinda funny. I definitely love the additions to his base kit being done. Makes him feel more unique and fleshed out. The plug/unplug interface is awesome, makes him vulnerable while doing so, which i really like as well. how do u operate map bot? I couldn't get it to work, when I was using the controller i could only move it couple steps away. what am I missing Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 11 hours ago, Curly Bill said: Delivery Bot; Basically similar to Woby's delivery skill. I suppose this is fine, as the lvl 1 only carries 3 items, (lvl2 carries 6), and the robot is one-way. So not like completely invalidates Woby, but deserves an eye to be kept on it for now... It definitely invalidates Woby since you lose access to Woby during that time but I don't really mind since it's not really what you play Walter for anyway. 11 hours ago, Curly Bill said: Map Scanner Bots; Definitely invalidates Woodie's entire WereGoose ability; Not only accomplishes the same thing, but allows for WX to continue doing other activities simultaneously This however does feel especially problematic considering the were locks and that goose is supposed to be one of his major abilities. Then again it does still have walking on Water over him so it's probably fine. 11 hours ago, Curly Bill said: Body Doubles; So you can basically set up free teleportation stations. I feel conflicted on this, because on one hand, you cant carry over your inventory or circuits, meaning you will have to use the Delivery bots. It feels very power creep-y, but ya know, maybe it's just a really bizarre new concept im still wrapping my mind around. The drawbacks vs a complete teleportation seem like it might balance out okay. The extra live method is kind of crazy too, but I guess it does mean if you invest in the Chasis, you are losing out on some other insane upgrades elsewhere... hrmm.. tough to say yet Personally if it didn't count as an extra life it'd be fine to me it's definitely a cool and unique concept just not a fan of that part in particular. All in All aside from the blatantly overpowered stuff he seems fine. Edited March 20 by Mysterious box 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul7k Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Mr Giggio said: Where started this culture of comparing chars and saying if someone got something equal or similar means instant invalidation? It gotta stop, it's ridiculous to say the least. Options are healthy, the overall combo still has unicqueness to bring to the table and they are not the same thing but sharing perks in common, why we still have to talk about this till now baffles me. I'm with you on this. Weregoose is still much faster for the power gamers out there that wanna go fast. The scouts are pretty slow. Its just nice that they are slow enough for you to do other stuff while they go about Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckguy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I agree with basically everything you said, also you can send the delivery bot to another body, empty it, and send it back, basically making it like Walters skill. I don't want them to change this because it's super fun. I think weregoose is better then the drone, since the drones have a set radius and are also way slower then goose Besides that, the only change I want is them to nerf the circuits, they shouldn't change them, they should just have a flat damage/heal reduction Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170118-wx78-ambitious-but-needs-to-be-tuned-down-a-bit/#findComment-1854802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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