The Skill Tree

[Cruvimaster]

Characters who are dominant among players should have a more restrained skill tree for balance. Walter needed a more powerful skill tree, but Wendy's fans will never accept that.

No skill tree prior to Wendy's has been able to dethrone her dominance, and nothing the devs do will change this character's hegemony.

[brednas7]

51 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

Characters who are dominant among players should have a more restrained skill tree for balance. Walter needed a more powerful skill tree, but Wendy's fans will never accept that.

No skill tree prior to Wendy's has been able to dethrone her dominance, and nothing the devs do will change this character's hegemony.

Are you aware that some amount of Wendy's popularity come from newer players, who don't know about how to play more optimal characters?
 
Did you ever play Wendy in the late game and do bosses with Wendy?
 
It is easy to view Wendy players as entitled when you ignore there struggles. In reality Wendy is outclased this days by Wortox and Willow when it comes to clearing hordes of low heath mobs and aoe have been given to other characters in there base kit or skill trees.

If popularity is the problem, then raising Wendy's skill floor is better than it is to just give her a bad skill tree.

Balance isn't always shown by popularity, look at Wurt destroying any boss she face with her army of merms without even helping in said fight.

[Nikki Darks]

1 hour ago, brednas7 said:

Are you aware that some amount of Wendy's popularity come from newer players, who don't know about how to play more optimal characters?
 
Did you ever play Wendy in the late game and do bosses with Wendy?
 
It is easy to view Wendy players as entitled when you ignore there struggles. In reality Wendy is outclased this days by Wortox and Willow when it comes to clearing hordes of low heath mobs and aoe have been given to other characters in there base kit or skill trees.

If popularity is the problem, then raising Wendy's skill floor is better than it is to just give her a bad skill tree.

Balance isn't always shown by popularity, look at Wurt destroying any boss she face with her army of merms without even helping in said fight.

Idk, out of all the characters in the game... I wouldn't say Wendy particularly struggles with anything nowadays.

Hordes? Regular Abigail.
Bosses? Lunar Abigail.
Need to tank? Drink the shield or the healing elixir.
Abigail needs help? Give her an appropriate elixir.
Abigail finally dies somehow? Insta lvl 3 elixir and healing elixir.

And so on and so on... Idk why Wendy players are so afraid of accepting that their character is powerful, nothing wrong with that lol.

Also, you can't balance a game around people who don't know how to play the game??? This is basic, common sense.

[Naifxoxo]

On 3/5/2026 at 8:30 PM, wormwood123 said:

well i personally think the Wendy skill tree upset was perfectly warranted its not great. Characters are the spine of this game and they should all be fun and rewarding to play. 

Now the way people carried this out was certainly bad mind you and i don't condone it at all. but the betas exist for feedback and people certainly fedback

exactly, i mean ppl actively and nicely ask klei to buff some unused and underrated items and klei still ignores everyone , so lets not pretend that the players r so evil , 

[PunkShark]

1 hour ago, Naifxoxo said:

exactly, i mean ppl actively and nicely ask klei to buff some unused and underrated items and klei still ignores everyone , so lets not pretend that the players r so evil , 

If you're being downright rude and nasty about it then there's legit no excuse. There's always a constructive way to go about it even if it didn't go your way, than throwing a tantrum and making threats.
Klei tried to make a skill tree that people would enjoy, and the feedback did help. But some people have a different idea on what Wendy should be than what she is in the game and her role.
Klei doesn't have to follow all feedback, sometimes if it doesn't fit the character or their own ideas of what the game should be that doesn't open up ways to just be mean about it. 

Also they buff unused and underated items all the time. But there's a time and a place to do so.

 

[brednas7]

19 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

Idk, out of all the characters in the game... I wouldn't say Wendy particularly struggles with anything nowadays.

Well her difficulty curve can feel quite of some time, ranging from almost to easy to out right frustrating.
some of the newer content from last few years can be pretty hostile to regular Abigail (not just bosses btw).

Playing Wendy with controller require more time to micro Abigail and drink potions.

And i already have mentioned that several characters are stepping on Wendy's main niche and some are already beating her to it.

20 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

Hordes? Regular Abigail.
Bosses? Lunar Abigail.

Fighting hordes with lunar Abigail or facing a boss with regular Abigail is sometimes needed because of the moon phase, not having lunar affinity or by surprise.

20 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

And so on and so on... Idk why Wendy players are so afraid of accepting that their character is powerful, nothing wrong with that lol.

I never said Wendy wasn't powerful, but she can be difficult to keep her damage consistent.

21 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

Also, you can't balance a game around people who don't know how to play the game??? This is basic, common sense.

I don't blame newer players, but people keep using Wendy's popularity as an excuse to keep her from having any good changes.

We can always look for solution to solve the dominance of Wendy player count, but giving her a bad skill tree didn't help with that.

Why can't some people allow Wendy players to have some fun? 

[Cheggf]

On 3/3/2026 at 4:09 PM, Dr. Safety said:

If there are any issues involving a character and recently released content, it could be years until that is addressed. They don't like to change much of anything about characters outside of big updates, where that is the main focus.

I think this is the biggest issue with the character reworks and skill trees. They take so long to come out, and then any flaws they have are just permanently part of the character. It's extremely unlikely for them to get further changes, that's only happened like twice. 

[Mysterious box]

On 3/5/2026 at 3:58 PM, brednas7 said:

Are you aware that some amount of Wendy's popularity come from newer players, who don't know about how to play more optimal characters?
 
Did you ever play Wendy in the late game and do bosses with Wendy?
 
It is easy to view Wendy players as entitled when you ignore there struggles. In reality Wendy is outclased this days by Wortox and Willow when it comes to clearing hordes of low heath mobs and aoe have been given to other characters in there base kit or skill trees.

If popularity is the problem, then raising Wendy's skill floor is better than it is to just give her a bad skill tree.

Balance isn't always shown by popularity, look at Wurt destroying any boss she face with her army of merms without even helping in said fight.

I don't think new players make up too much of her player based anymore as the game is old and she has a lot and I mean a lot of longtime fans.

Also in the case of Wurt the issue with her balancing is that you have to make her minions good against bosses as that's what her guards are designed for. Anything else requires a larger scale rebalance to her minions.

[Volt Warly]

On 2026/3/5 at AM1点04分, Naifxoxo said:

so they gave the most broken characters skilltree and when we were about to get the skilltrees for the characters who actually need a rework and skilltree they decided to stop now

u cant blame them, most of the skilltrees r mid and looks like it made by someone who dosnt even play the game 

同样你不能怪他们，如果你最喜欢的角色遇到了一个无聊又令人失望的技能树，你不会高兴的，虽然我不玩温迪，但直到今天它仍然让我触发。她的技能树有多糟糕？看起来像是个对游戏一无所知的人做的。

问题是他们创造了Willow，这让我们对其他角色会有像她一样有趣的技能抱有希望，但他们决定停止创意，

我知道，他们做了茶、温泉，还有没人关心的没用的洞穴生物群系，不仅如此他们还削弱了岩石树，你想玩新生物群系吗？不，我们削弱了它，对你来说没意思，

如果我们有技能树和更多早期/中期的内容，而不是这些茶更新和温泉，我们应该没问题

 

这就是为什么我们JS现在需要技能树

Finallly I saw the last remaining HUMAN

[Naifxoxo]

On 3/6/2026 at 10:56 PM, PunkShark said:

If you're being downright rude and nasty about it then there's legit no excuse. There's always a constructive way to go about it even if it didn't go your way, than throwing a tantrum and making threats.
Klei tried to make a skill tree that people would enjoy, and the feedback did help. But some people have a different idea on what Wendy should be than what she is in the game and her role.
Klei doesn't have to follow all feedback, sometimes if it doesn't fit the character or their own ideas of what the game should be that doesn't open up ways to just be mean about it. 

Also they buff unused and underated items all the time. But there's a time and a place to do so.

 

boats still suk , wendy still suk and outclassed by willow , the only reason to play wendy is if ur new, otherwise willow outclasses wendy in every aspect, wendy's skilltree is mid and lame , klei didnt change that even tho everyone complained , so its deserved nothing *surprising*

On 3/7/2026 at 6:55 PM, Mysterious box said:

I don't think new players make up too much of her player based anymore as the game is old and she has a lot and I mean a lot of longtime fans.

Also in the case of Wurt the issue with her balancing is that you have to make her minions good against bosses as that's what her guards are designed for. Anything else requires a larger scale rebalance to her minions.

they do , experienced players now they moved to the better characters, like willow , 

[Nikki Darks]

1 hour ago, Naifxoxo said:

boats still suk , wendy still suk and outclassed by willow , the only reason to play wendy is if ur new, otherwise willow outclasses wendy in every aspect, wendy's skilltree is mid and lame , klei didnt change that even tho everyone complained , so its deserved nothing *surprising*

they do , experienced players now they moved to the better characters, like willow , 

Idk why people keep saying Willow outclasses Wendy... Or even the other way around, I've seen people say Wendy outclasses Willow.

Both are incorrect, they do the same job differently.

They both have a minion which can kill hordes;

Bernie does it safer yet slower. When he gets hit (burning Bernie skill) the attacker takes 50(?) damage.

Abigail does it safe-ish yet faster. She does consistent aoe damage based on the time of the day + giving her the living log elixir gives her reflect damage and damage immunity.

And they both have a minion that can fight bosses;

Bernie is a very tanky minion which will last a very long time in a boss fight while providing a low damage output. (He does around 50 damage per hit every several seconds)

Abigail is tanky-ish, does much more damage every couple of seconds while being healed and/or buffed by various elixirs.

Doing the same job does not mean one does it better/worse, it CAN mean they do it in their own ways which do not step over the other character's boundaries.

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, Naifxoxo said:

boats still suk , wendy still suk and outclassed by willow , the only reason to play wendy is if ur new, otherwise willow outclasses wendy in every aspect, wendy's skilltree is mid and lame , klei didnt change that even tho everyone complained , so its deserved nothing *surprising*

they do , experienced players now they moved to the better characters, like willow , 

This just isn't true there are a ton of Wendy Mains who just stick to the character both casual and experienced long term players not to mention Wendy just doesn't appeal to everyone so new players aren't always going to pick her over Wilson or Webber for example. This idea put forth requires new players to either exclusively pick Wendy over the entire cast of interesting characters or this game to get a huge influx of players frequently which just isn't realistic on either front.

Experienced Wendy players are just consistently stronger than Willow players because she rewards min maxing unlike Willow. Her skill tree is far from mid it just didn't appeal to you.

Edited March 9 by Mysterious box

[Evelo]

14 hours ago, Volt Warly said:

Finallly I saw the last remaining HUMAN

Holy crap, labeling everyone else as non-human is extreme levels of demonization of a community.

[Naifxoxo]

6 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

Idk why people keep saying Willow outclasses Wendy... Or even the other way around, I've seen people say Wendy outclasses Willow.

Both are incorrect, they do the same job differently.

They both have a minion which can kill hordes;

Bernie does it safer yet slower. When he gets hit (burning Bernie skill) the attacker takes 50(?) damage.

Abigail does it safe-ish yet faster. She does consistent aoe damage based on the time of the day + giving her the living log elixir gives her reflect damage and damage immunity.

And they both have a minion that can fight bosses;

Bernie is a very tanky minion which will last a very long time in a boss fight while providing a low damage output. (He does around 50 damage per hit every several seconds)

Abigail is tanky-ish, does much more damage every couple of seconds while being healed and/or buffed by various elixirs.

Doing the same job does not mean one does it better/worse, it CAN mean they do it in their own ways which do not step over the other character's boundaries.

willow does everything that wendy does and better while shes still insanely powerful on her own without beefalo nor bernie, thats why she completely outclasses wendy , willow is perfect at both crowd control and boss killing . wendy still struggles with low dmg , against shadow creatures etc.

 

willow only needs few embers which is obtainable day 1 and dosnt take longer than like 3 secs to get stacks

 

while wendy requires u to farm gloris forever, which takes long as well and boring.

 

6 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

This just isn't true there are a ton of Wendy Mains who just stick to the character both casual and experienced long term players not to mention Wendy just doesn't appeal to everyone so new players aren't always going to pick her over Wilson or Webber for example. This idea put forth requires new players to either exclusively pick Wendy over the entire cast of interesting characters or this game to get a huge influx of players frequently which just isn't realistic on either front.

Experienced Wendy players are just consistently stronger than Willow players because she rewards min maxing unlike Willow. Her skill tree is far from mid it just didn't appeal to you.

ur totally wrong , new players always choose webber and wendy for some reason and the difference is that wendy helps them stay alive and do things that they cant achieve without aby , thats why wendy is a noob trap , wendy will always be the noob character, experienced wendy players will learn and adapt and switch to willow most of time 

[Echsrick]

2 hours ago, Evelo said:

Holy crap, labeling everyone else as non-human is extreme levels of demonization of a community.

i am no human

 

 

10 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

ur totally wrong , new players always choose webber and wendy

define "always" because i sure do not, infact i probably played way more then you both single and multiplayer experince alot of things and let me tell you

ever considered flavour? some people simply do not like your favourit character but instead like the character you hate so much, in fact i despise wendy, way too hight pitched voice for my poor hearing, yet i dont go into what ever place and go preach the telling about how much i hate her, why? because other players play her and i just simply do not have the energy for an entire fan base to come at me yelling at me how "wrong" i am for having an differend oppinion then there, i dont care for them i dont care what they have to say or what they think, all i care for is if the player itself is annoying me or not no matter what character they play, there is no right or wrong choice in the character sellect screen, play what ever character you want to be and stop comparing, comparing 2 very differend characters of flavour, you like apples? then play apple character, pears instead? then go with the pear character instead, who cares what apple can do when you play as pear, you differend character thats enought...unless the server allready has that character shown in wich case you might want to experince new and differend flavours

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Naifxoxo said:

willow does everything that wendy does and better while shes still insanely powerful on her own without beefalo nor bernie, thats why she completely outclasses wendy , willow is perfect at both crowd control and boss killing . wendy still struggles with low dmg , against shadow creatures etc.

 

willow only needs few embers which is obtainable day 1 and dosnt take longer than like 3 secs to get stacks

 

while wendy requires u to farm gloris forever, which takes long as well and boring.

Wendy has a higher damage multiplier unless you are just spamming Willow's fire for every encounter which I guess you could but I imagine you're gonna be running low fairly quickly. Wendy on the other hand doesn't need the glories at all times and even has skills to make the process faster if it's that tedious for you. They both need to farm their resources forever but Wendy generally needs hers far less often.

 

2 hours ago, Naifxoxo said:

ur totally wrong , new players always choose webber and wendy for some reason and the difference is that wendy helps them stay alive and do things that they cant achieve without aby , thats why wendy is a noob trap , wendy will always be the noob character, experienced wendy players will learn and adapt and switch to willow most of time 

Factually incorrect not only do you not have proof of this but many people like myself started with dst not ds and I did not pick Wendy or Webber as my first I went with Woodie at the time and shifted to Willow for a bit pre character refresh before trying other characters.