The imbalance between Pure Brilliance and Dark Tatters.

[Cruvimaster]

Both are essential for repairing renewable items on their respective sides, but there's a clear imbalance in how these resources are obtained.

Pure Brilliance can be obtained quickly, without any combat, and in "infinite" quantities simply by using Wickerbottom + Wilson. It can also be obtained naturally by converting Infused Moon Shards using the Inimical Gestalt. Finally, the original method only requires mining Ryftstals.

On the other hand, Dark Tatters can only be obtained in one way (Dreadstone Outcrop).

I just wish the devs would give more equal treatment to the way these two resources are obtained.

[wormwood123]

Because brilliance tastes better than tatters 

[remden]

Wrong, dark tatters are equivalent to brightshade husks, while pure horror is equivalent to pure brilliance. Both tatters and husks only have 1 source, while both horror and brilliance have many sources.

[qwp18]

1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said:

Both are essential for repairing renewable items on their respective sides, but there's a clear imbalance in how these resources are obtained.

Pure Brilliance can be obtained quickly, without any combat, and in "infinite" quantities simply by using Wickerbottom + Wilson. It can also be obtained naturally by converting Infused Moon Shards using the Inimical Gestalt. Finally, the original method only requires mining Ryftstals.

On the other hand, Dark Tatters can only be obtained in one way (Dreadstone Outcrop).

I just wish the devs would give more equal treatment to the way these two resources are obtained.

Isn't the counterpart of pure brilliance pure horror?

[wormwood123]

Just now, qwp18 said:

Isn't the counterpart of pure brilliance pure horror?

No well they are but brilliance tastes better 

[Cruvimaster]

24 minutes ago, remden said:

Wrong, dark tatters are equivalent to brightshade husks, while pure horror is equivalent to pure brilliance. Both tatters and husks only have 1 source, while both horror and brilliance have many sources.

Your comparison only makes things worse, since brightshade husks can be obtained simply by standing still at the base. And to make matters even worse, they can be obtained in large quantities from Magma.


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Okay guys, the comparison wasn't exact. The resource that was harder to obtain on one side was always Pure Brilliance, while the hardest resource on the other was always Dark Tatters. So, tell me if there's a balance in obtaining the resources for the Brightshade Repair Kit and the Void Repair Kit?

Edited November 12, 2025 by Cruvimaster

[NSAiswatchingus]

While OP's supporting argument might be a bit off, the idea still stands that dark tatters are the resource always in shorter supply. I wouldn't mind getting dark tatters at the same or a similar rate as the other ones of that tier. 

[Skyscale]

3 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Your comparison only makes things worse, since brightshade husks can be obtained simply by standing still at the base. And to make matters even worse, they can be obtained in large quantities from Magma.


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Okay guys, the comparison wasn't exact. The resource that was harder to obtain on one side was always Pure Brilliance, while the hardest resource on the other was always Dark Tatters. So, tell me if there's a balance in obtaining the resources for the Brightshade Repair Kit and the Void Repair Kit?

From the perspective of which counterpart is easier to farm, the lunar counterpart is easier. Not only because we have characters who can transmute/farm these materials more easily, but also because the lunar counterpart is located on the surface, making it less dangerous to farm. Even Deadly Brightshades can be farmed without risk.

But when you try to farm the shadow counterpart, the risk is much greater: acid rain, constant darkness, you need to move to the sources of the respective materials, actively kill the mobs that drop these materials, and deal with dangerous mobs along the way (both in the fumarole biome and the mobs that use void masks and Ickers).

In other words, the shadow counterpart is undoubtedly the most dangerous and least attractive to farm; not to mention that players naturally prefer to spend more time on the surface than in caves, leaving this material scarce.

[Tigris Nano]

3 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Your comparison only makes things worse, since brightshade husks can be obtained simply by standing still at the base

Same can be done to obtain tatters, you just need to sit at cave base near fissure. 

3 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

And to make matters even worse, they can be obtained in large quantities from Magma

This is exploit which will get patched out at some point, just like mimicreeps, 3d building etc.

3 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

The resource that was harder to obtain on one side was always Pure Brilliance,

You can make tons of those with wilson / brightbeaked birds transmutation if you use wicker red gem book or mine shards after rains (less shards but doesnt involve char swap). Add to that rift crystals. You can get as many brills as your resources let you, while brightshades and their husks are limited per rift, you just cant get extra brightshade waves. Also keep in mind that you can get brills as soon as moonstorms (involves char swap) or crystal rain start while bshades require stage 3 rift.

[Radicaljoe]

 

4 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

.The resource that was harder to obtain on one side was always Pure Brilliance

Pure brilliance has NEVER been harder to obtain. It has always been husks because husks are time locked to waiting 40 minutes for the rift to spew out 2 brightshades for 4 husks.

Tatters are also harder to obtain than horror since they are locked to 1 source as well. 

I agree there could be more ways to obtain tatters and husks though. Maybe have some cloak enemies at the shadow rifts itself. Brightshade husks are more difficult to solve though because klei made it very obvious that it is THIS specific plant that drops it. So unlike adding some cool scarf wearing enemies in the caves, the husks are going to require more brightshade family members.
(maybe something like these)

 

[Cruvimaster]

48 minutes ago, Tigris Nano said:

Same can be done to obtain tatters, you just need to sit at cave base near fissure. 

It's unfortunate that you pretend not to know how easy it is to manage Deadly Brightshade in the world. You can simply choose the difficulty level between facing 1, 2, or 3. Furthermore, you know that this plant spreads rapidly everywhere, generating an absurd amount of resources. Finally, there's no real risk in facing a mob that just stands there paralyzed in front of you. You just want to come here and make a joke.

[KvltBear]

Right now in my world that I've had rifts on for a while, I have tons of husks and brilliance, and plenty of horror. The only thing I'm lacking in constantly is tatters. Sure, lunar rift stuff is slow at first because the rift takes a while to spawn riftstyls and send of brightshades. But once the world fills up with brightshades and you get a few full cycles of riftsyls you end up with plenty. Enough to well outpace the repair kit usage.

You can also sit by the shadow rift and farm pure horror pretty easily. However tatters are a once every 3 days event, and you need the rifts open. I wouldn't mind more sources since I'm usually using shadow repair kits more often than lunar and I typically just use the entire loot from a outcrop fight at once just to keep up. Maybe let two dreadstone outcrops spawn before the 3 day cooldown? Or more enemy types would be nice. It's clear there's an imbalance between the 4 resources though.

[RubLog6]

Personally, I used to think it was harder to obtain the shadow stuff because pure brilliance was so easy to farm; but in a big server brightshade husks are the bottleneck and dreadstone outcrops respawn fairly quickly. 

Spend some time in caves for a bit and you'll have quite a lot of tatters. And the shadow stuff is quite convenient because you get both resources for the equipment.

But as kvlt said, 3 day cooldown might be a bit too long. But yes brightshade gear is just so much better at the end. The shadow stuff need some sort of buff.

I could have sworn void gear used to give immunity to acid rain and miasma.

[oregu]

5 hours ago, remden said:

Wrong, dark tatters are equivalent to brightshade husks, while pure horror is equivalent to pure brilliance. Both tatters and husks only have 1 source, while both horror and brilliance have many sources.

I see how this can be confusing but pure brilliance and dark tatters are primarily gotten from bosses (ignoring character-exclusive perks), while brightshade husks and pure horror are primarily obtained from enemies. The number of sources aren't as relevant here.

Edited November 12, 2025 by oregu

[Cruvimaster]

11 minutes ago, oregu said:

I see how this can be confusing but pure brilliance and dark tatters are primarily gotten from bosses 

The true, original way to obtain Pure Brilliance. Virtually zero risk, as it's simply an act of mining.

[oregu]

3 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

The true, original way to obtain Pure Brilliance. Virtually zero risk, as it's simply an act of mining.

Those are limited. You can repeat kill deerclops (or varg) during rifts for as many pure brilliance as you want.

Edited November 12, 2025 by oregu

[Cruvimaster]

Without needing any characters (Wilson / Wicker), simply feed 10 Bright-Beaked Birds. By staying at the base, the player can obtain all 2 ingredients to make the Brightshade Repair Kit and have complete control over the risks.

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3 minutes ago, oregu said:

Those are limited. You can repeat kill deerclops during rifts for as many pure brilliance as you want.

There are much easier ways. And there's no such thing as ease on the shadow side. That's the central point of this topic.

Edited November 12, 2025 by Cruvimaster

[oregu]

14 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

There are much easier ways. And there's no such thing as ease on the shadow side. That's the central point of this topic.

Hence why I said ignoring character-exclusive perks in my original message. It's important to note Wilson's skilltree was added before dark tatters (and brightshade husks) were in the game. When or whether they will update Wilson's skilltree is anyone's guess.

Edited November 12, 2025 by oregu

[Cruvimaster]

3 minutes ago, oregu said:

Hence why I said ignoring character-exclusive perks in my original message. It's important to note Wilson's skilltree was added before dark tatters were in the game. When or whether they will update Wilson's skilltree is anyone's guess.

In my tests, new Inimical Gestalts provide approximately 2.5x more pure brilliance than Wilson (which is fair considering the risks involved in combat). With each update, the devs further improve the lunar side.

[Bumber64]

Maybe we'll get a shadow update soon. Maybe.

[Dingle]

Pure Horror is the equivalent to Pure Brilliance, and much easier to get without character swapping. No need to have 10 bird cages, either.

I generally like the design of the shadow rift materials more. Though I wouldn't mind more updates to both.

[reddocc]

Idk to be honest most resources recently are losing value with the abundance of green gems, if you lack tatters I recommend to dupe them using a nightmare saddle honestly I'm glad this game allows you to do this instead of waiting or go gather said material, as long as you have amulets and staffs you're good

[Tranoze]

11 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

 Dark Tatters can only be obtained in one way

Just farm dark tatter like a normal person. Noone farm tatter killing rift these day.

->->+= profit.

Edited November 12, 2025 by Tranoze

[Tigris Nano]

16 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

It's unfortunate that you pretend not to know how easy it is to manage Deadly Brightshade in the world. You can simply choose the difficulty level between facing 1, 2, or 3.

If choosing level reduces number of husks you get then no thanks.

16 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Furthermore, you know that this plant spreads rapidly everywhere, generating an absurd amount of resources.

It fills 5 herds first and then goes to random plants. So you will need 5 herds at proper distance from each other and kill all bshades every 2 or 3 days to maximize husks output. Absurd amount of resources turns into puny if you compare it to brills output. The end is nigh, lightning rod and moon idol can give you hundreds of brills before even rifts start. Hence why your statement about pb being harder resource to obtain is wrong.

16 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Finally, there's no real risk in facing a mob that just stands there paralyzed in front of you.

Not like there is huge risk in facing a 3 slobbering mobs with predictive ai. Also you can always use void gear to reduce dmg taken to absurdly low values and exclude any risks. Brightshade staff also excludes any risks.

Also as person above mentioned you can farm boulder trees to get green gems and dupe saddles. You dont even have to fight anything, just brief trip to ruins and then you just dupe stuff at your base.

Edited November 13, 2025 by Tigris Nano

[Frosty_Mentos]

It's not difficult to dupe more tatters if you got the saddle as one said. It's not a character specific perk but green gems are common now enough after resets and with all the trees to get plenty more tatters.