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[Bumber64]

23 minutes ago, Dr. Safety said:

To say that the person Winona tried to save from being sucked into the portal was actually WX is an interesting theory I haven't thought about. Besides the whole yellow glove thing, it would clean up some inconsistencies

That can't be WX. He was already a robot when he was tossed in the portal, and his organic body ended up in Wilson's house, AFAIK.

Here's WX being sent in:

This could be days or seconds before Winona's short.

I forget if there's more. There's definitely something that led me to believe Wilson took up residence in Wagstaff's old house.

Edited October 9, 2025 by Bumber64

[Sinistrem]

Well people generally assumed it was Wagstaff because IIRC animator said it was supposed to be him. But since animation is 6yo and it never was officially confirmed, it could be anyone right now.

[GlooooomerBzzt]

1 hour ago, JoShroom6 said:

how did you get that pannel?

You can get the second and third panels by pressing the toolbox and the bucket wagstaff is holding

[Sinistrem]

Found it.

https://jeffagala.tumblr.com/post/615031573046296576/winona-tries-to-save-wagstaff-from-being-sucked

[Crimson717]

It would be cool if this was leading up to a new survior being teased. It would make the wait a lil more worth it, but I heavily doubt it

[QrChuck]

On one of the developer streams, someone from Klei confirmed that the person Winona was trying to help was none other than Wagstaff. The yellow glove visible on one of the panels indeed belongs to our dear Robert.

We also know that Wagstaff appeared at Wilson’s house (which originally belonged to him) after Wilson had already been taken to the Constant. The Voxola factory burned down in 1919, while Wilson was taken in 1921 — meaning Wagstaff was still around after the factory’s destruction.

This suggests that the portal in the Voxola factory was never intended to send Wagstaff to the Constant. Instead, it may have transported him somewhere else in our world — only for him to return later and become a key piece of this larger puzzle. Wagstaff was "gone" during the ablaze, just as he planned so noone would interrupt him with his plans.

[SpamBot0147]

54 minutes ago, Kadaver said:

Wagstaff sound clip sounds like - - • • 

which is Z in Morse code idk just don’t wanna have to wait again 

Goyda???

[Milordo]

29 minutes ago, Sinistrem said:

So assuming this takes place immediately after Winona's cinematic, isn't anyone gonna talk about Wagstaff being alive and happy in the real world right after the factory finished burning? After presumably being sucked into the portal?

27 minutes ago, Dr. Safety said:

That's true. It does confirm the theory that Wagstaff was never actually in the Constant at all (until recently that is)

Never a theory. We always knew that since the trailer, it was clear as water (or sap in this case). The only theory is if it was a clone of Wag or someone else.

[Sinistrem]

Actually this creates a pretty bizarre timeline for Wagstaff:

1. Wagstaff enters the Constant during Maxwell's reign, explores Hamlet, Shipwrecked and Vanilla.
2. Wagstaff completes adventure mode and sits on the throne.
3. Wagstaff manages to disappear from the throne, probably due to being a projection, probably learning something important due to how much he wants to sit on the throne according to his quote.
4. Wagstaff is sucked into the portal, and during this animation we see Charlie so this is post Maxwell's no longer being the king of constant.
5. Wagstaff cheerfully walks around gathering sap less than a day after being sucked into the portal.

Them: HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS! 

[Milordo]

12 minutes ago, QrChuck said:

On one of the developer streams, someone from Klei confirmed that the person Winona was trying to help was none other than Wagstaff. The yellow glove visible on one of the panels indeed belongs to our dear Robert.

We also know that Wagstaff appeared at Wilson’s house (which originally belonged to him) after Wilson had already been taken to the Constant. The Voxola factory burned down in 1919, while Wilson was taken in 1921 — meaning Wagstaff was still around after the factory’s destruction.

This suggests that the portal in the Voxola factory was never intended to send Wagstaff to the Constant. Instead, it may have transported him somewhere else in our world — only for him to return later and become a key piece of this larger puzzle. Wagstaff was "gone" during the ablaze, just as he planned so noone would interrupt him with his plans.

AH....zamn. I got it all wrong

[Cheggf]

4 minutes ago, Sinistrem said:

• Wagstaff enters the Constant during Maxwell's reign, explores Hamlet, Shipwrecked and Vanilla.
• Wagstaff completes adventure mode and sits on the throne.
• Wagstaff manages to disappear from the throne, probably due to being a projection, probably learning something important due to how much he wants to sit on the throne according to his quote.

This is not correct. Wiltson replaced Maxwell, then Charlie replaced Wiltson. 

[Crimson717]

Just now, Cheggf said:

This is not correct. Wiltson replaced Maxwell, then Charlie replaced Wiltson. 

Wagstaff could've sat on the throne at a certain point in time before Wilson, but the timeline always will end with Wilson taking the throne, and Charlie releasing him 

[Ridley]

5 minutes ago, QrChuck said:

This suggests that the portal in the Voxola factory was never intended to send Wagstaff to the Constant. Instead, it may have transported him somewhere else in our world — only for him to return later and become a key piece of this larger puzzle. Wagstaff was "gone" during the ablaze, just as he planned so noone would interrupt him with his plans.

If Wagstaff intended to take the portal for safety, why was he trying to pull himself out of it?

 

How were Wagstaff's inventions ending up in the Constant in the first place. The Gramophone ML-77 and the Voxola PR-76 (radio on the diving rod) are never explained in their connection with the Shadow's machinations.

[QrChuck]

7 minutes ago, Sinistrem said:

Actually this creates a pretty bizarre timeline for Wagstaff:

1. Wagstaff enters the Constant during Maxwell's reign, explores Hamlet, Shipwrecked and Vanilla.
2. Wagstaff completes adventure mode and sits on the throne.
3. Wagstaff manages to disappear from the throne, probably due to being a projection, probably learning something important due to how much he wants to sit on the throne according to his quote.
4. Wagstaff is sucked into the portal, and during this animation we see Charlie so this is post Maxwell's no longer being the king of constant.
5. Wagstaff cheerfully walks around gathering sap less than a day after being sucked into the portal.

Them: HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS! 

Sounds like my old theory but Wagstaff not being on Nightmare Throne was debunked. Devs told that it was a bug. Even in solo DS Wagstaff was a projection and the real one was behind the projector found after earthquake in San Francisco, right after Maxwell and Charlie got sucked into Constant. 

Yeah, that's a messed up timeline  

[Cheggf]

1 minute ago, Crimson717 said:

Wagstaff could've sat on the throne at a certain point in time before Wilson, but the timeline always will end with Wilson taking the throne, and Charlie releasing him 

How would Wilson get back on the throne?

[QrChuck]

Just now, Ridley said:

If Wagstaff intended to take the portal for safety, why was he trying to pull himself out of it?

 

How were Wagstaff's inventions ending up in the Constant in the first place. The Gramophone ML-77 and the Voxola PR-76 (radio on the diving rod) are never explained in their connection with the Shadow's machinations.

He might tried to fake his d*ath or made up this plan after the portal didn't work as he planned. We know that he could not only send things (and WX) to the Constant earlier than the factory burnt, but also pull things from Constant (spider that merged with Webber). 

Not every Wagstaff-made portal was working properly, but some did...in some way

[Crimson717]

Just now, Cheggf said:

How would Wilson get back on the throne?

Well here's the thing in Don't Starve if you sit on the nightmare throne with any character they will be there the next time you reach the throne with another character. Then the two of them switch places. 

[Cheggf]

Just now, Crimson717 said:

Well here's the thing in Don't Starve if you sit on the nightmare throne with any character they will be there the next time you reach the throne with another character. Then the two of them switch places. 

Why would Wilson willingly go to an empty nightmare throne with no one on it and sit back down when he clearly didn't want to be on it in the first place? He's obviously unhappy when he gets put on it lol

[Sustenance]

27 minutes ago, Crimson717 said:

I keep asking about the timer. Cause if there isn't one then there might just be something we're missing 

1. Does the sap have a timer anywhere

2. I know the only thing sap related was during the gorge but I doubt those things are connected 

1. yes, but not on firefox for me. its at 1 rn

2. could be some way of connecting them but id think a comic for the new shadow lore/update would be more likely.

[Crimson717]

Just now, Cheggf said:

Why would Wilson willingly go to an empty nightmare throne with no one on it and sit back down when he clearly didn't want to be on it in the first place? He's obviously unhappy when he gets put on it lol

Ok what I'm explaining is less why, and just how the game is designed 

 

 

 

Watch this

[mkemal23]

5 minutes ago, Crimson717 said:

Well here's the thing in Don't Starve if you sit on the nightmare throne with any character they will be there the next time you reach the throne with another character. Then the two of them switch places. 

That was most likely only for gameplay replayability. Canonically Wagstaff never reached to throne. It was in the same order Cheggf said. (Maxwell --> Wilson --> Charlie.)

Edited October 9, 2025 by mkemal23

[Crimson717]

2 minutes ago, Sustenance said:

1. yes, but not on firefox for me. its at 1 rn

2. could be some way of connecting them but id think a comic for the new shadow lore/update would be more likely.

Also thanks for this. Let's hope it doesn't take as long as the fire/hourglass did 

[Szczuku]

11 minutes ago, QrChuck said:

On one of the developer streams, someone from Klei confirmed that the person Winona was trying to help was none other than Wagstaff. The yellow glove visible on one of the panels indeed belongs to our dear Robert.

We also know that Wagstaff appeared at Wilson’s house (which originally belonged to him) after Wilson had already been taken to the Constant. The Voxola factory burned down in 1919, while Wilson was taken in 1921 — meaning Wagstaff was still around after the factory’s destruction.

This suggests that the portal in the Voxola factory was never intended to send Wagstaff to the Constant. Instead, it may have transported him somewhere else in our world — only for him to return later and become a key piece of this larger puzzle. Wagstaff was "gone" during the ablaze, just as he planned so noone would interrupt him with his plans.

In that case the lore would go something like this:

Younger Wagstaff steals the projector that was recording Maxwell's and Charlie's final act from the collapsing movie theater (as we see in an intermission animation) and discovers The Constant thanks to it. He later, figures out how to project himself into the Constant and begins exploring the world during Maxwell's reign (playable Wagstaff in singleplayer)

Somewhere along the timeline he starts working with the human that became WX-78, sets up his factory, delivers the spider to Webber's dad etc, etc.

He figures out how to open a portal to the Constant and sends WX-78 there. Somehow none of the eldritch gods of the constant nor Maxwell or Charlie really care.

Wagstaff needs more time and to disappear from the public eye in order to continue his experiments so he sets up his gateway to teleport him somewhere in the real world and cause the factory collapse. Cue the Winona cinematic: she sees Wagstaff going through the portal, the portal closes, Winona repairs it but accidentally connects it once more with the Constant and gets kidnapped by Charlie.

Whatever this arg is slowly uncovering is happening after the factory collapse and before Wilson's disapperance

After Wilson was kidnapped Wagstaff moved into his old house where he found Maxwell's Door that Wilson had built. Cue the grainy transmission in dst.

 

I gotta hand it to the devs; this could work as a way to keep Winona's cinematic 100% canon while also explaining why Wagstaff was still just a projection in the Constant up until the Scion fight, even though we see him going through the portal in the animation.

However this doesn't explain how Wagstaff was younger when Maxwell and Charlie were taken, but was old when Winona was taken. Winona is Charlie's older sister. Let's say that Charlie was 33 when she was taken, that'd make Winona, like 38 or something. In the intermission animation Wagstaff looks around 46 when he stole that projector, seemingly moments after Maxwell and Charlie were taken. If that's the case, then if Wagstaff was old when the factory burned down, then Winona should also look older

[Crimson717]

2 minutes ago, mkemal23 said:

That was most likely only for gameplay replayability. Canonically Wagstaff never reached to throne. It was in the same order Cheggf said. (Maxwell --> Wilson --> Charlie.)

Yeah good point. I'm probably just overthinking this tbh

[Cheggf]

Just now, Crimson717 said:

Ok what I'm explaining is less why, and just how the game is designed 

 

 

 

Watch this

Dude I already beat adventure mode like 12 years ago I know how it works. We're not talking about game mechanics here, or else I'd be asking how Wilson could possibly be sustaining 75 hunger points every 8 minutes while stuck on a throne where he can't move. We're talking about the lore. Why would Wilson willingly choose to go back to the nightmare throne, which he does not like being on, so he can choose to sit on it for no reason while it's empty and he's not even saving anyone from it because Wagstaff already left it? It doesn't make sense. Wagstaff clearly never sat on the throne, the canonical events are clearly Wilson replacing Maxwell then Charlie replacing Wilson.