Many thanks from Wolfgang!

[Keknutui]

Thanks to the last post, you helped me with ideas and my reworking of an existing end of Wolfgang's skill tree, which in my opinion needed to be reworked.

Okay, let's move on to the tree itself, which I've been working on for a few days, maybe weeks?

There are flaws in it that I can understand, but in it I tried to make Wolfgang not only stronger, but rather more diverse and useful in the team

MIGHTY

 1.Headless chicken (Wolfgang in weak form begins to accelerate by 5% every 3 seconds to 15%, and in medium form to 10%)

  2.The girth of a strongman (Wolfgang is able to throw heavy objects like statues, boulders or stones over a huge distance, causing huge damage. The damage depends and the expenditure of Mightiness (10-30) depends on the object.)

 3.Chore Workout (Wolfgang is able to break any object instantly with a 15% chance. For each successful trigger, Wolfgang loses 3% of his Mightiness.)

 4.Leg Day (Wolfgang runs 10% faster in weak form and 10% faster in medium form)

 5. Leg Day 2 (Wolfgang is able to jump on enemies, stunning them for a while, spending 5 Mightiness. Cooldown of 15 seconds)

 6. Gym Mastery (Wolfgang trains in a gym automatically)

 7. Coach Wolfgang (Wolfgang is able to increase mobs by 2 times after gradually wasting his power) (Instead of using a timer, he spends his Mightiness in medium and strong form)

 

SPECIAL SKILLS (Unlock at least 4 out of 7 skills. ONLY 1 CAN BE SELECTED)

 

 8. Trembling of the earth (Wolfgang in his mighty Form breaks trees and stones in the area, but spends x2 Mightiness and breaks tools 66% faster)

 9. Strong lunge (If Wolfgang doesn't take damage for 5 seconds after hitting, then his next attack will deal 3 times more damage and spend 6-7 Mightiness)

 

THE CIRCUS PERFORMER

 

 10.Dumbbell developer (Wolfgang is able to create thermal, fire and ice dumbbells)

 11.Pumped-up forms (Wolfgang is able to increase his power on the gum to 150) (Combined with the "Regular Training" skill)

 12. Dumbbell Potential (Wolfgang's ice and fire dumbbell attacks create an area when swinging and do not burn the drop. The thermal dumbbell is able to heat up or cool down VERY slowly in the inventory, depending on the shape of the Wolfgang)

  13. Regular Training (Wolfgang is able to regain his Mightiness for 2 days using hunger after using a gym) (Combined with the "Pumped-up forms" skill)

 14. Heavy Hitter (Deal double damage with dumbbells that break 2 times slower if thrown)

 15. Circus Swing (Wolfgang is now able to throw a dumbbell forward instead of throwing, causing damage to the area)

 16. Fast muscles (Wolfgang is able to return the dumbbells after a throw by getting close enough to them. It spends 5 Mightiness)

 

SPECIAL SKILLS (Unlock at least 4 out of 7 skills. ONLY 1 CAN BE SELECTED)

 

 17. Sports notes (Wolfgang is able to give the book to the characters, after reading which they will be able to read them and use dumbbells, which give a modifier of 1.20 (20%). The buff lasts for 2 minutes and spends a lot of hunger and slow sanity. The book has 10 durability and is capable of being repaired in the Wickerbottom Library)

 18.Strong belt (Wolfgang is able to create a belt that gives 80% protection, immunity to rejection and receive 3 times more Mightiness)

Crafting  (2 Ropes, 3 marbles and 1 Catcoon Tail.)

 

AFFINITY (Discovering skills is just like in the old Wolfgang Skill tree)

 

 19.Shadow Guard (Wolfgang takes +25 planar damage and 10% shadow protection and 10% damage to lunar creatures)

 20.Strong dumbbell (Wolfgang is able to create a dumbbell made of dreadstone that regenerates itself and causes great damage to the area depending on the sanity) Crafting (4 Dreadstone, 1 twig and 1 pure horror.)

 21. Shadow Screech (Wolfgang can create a dreadstone horror whistle to increase the attack speed of all mobs by 20%. This removes the effect of doubling damage, replacing it with 10 pure damage) Crafting (2 dreadstones, whistle and 3 pure horrors.)

 22. Moonlight (Wolfgang takes +25 planar damage and 10% lunar protection and 10% shadow creature damage)

 23. Fragmentation Dumbbell (Wolfgang is able to create a dumbbell out of pure brilliance, which leaves dust after impact, stunning mobs and causing damage to them like Celestial Scions attacks)

 24. Clouded by Light (Wolfgang spends 1% of his powers dealing an additional 15 planar damage)

 

There may be some mistakes or your suggestions and opinions, so please write them, I will try to review everything 

Edited August 2, 2025 by Keknutui

[wormwood123]

The dreadstone horror whistle should give planar damage to the mobs it effects to really cement it as an affinity skill

[Keknutui]

2 minutes ago, wormwood123 said:

The dreadstone horror whistle should give planar damage to the mobs it effects to really cement it as an affinity skill

I slightly changed the damage replacement on the whistle for affinity

[wormwood123]

43 minutes ago, Keknutui said:

I slightly changed the damage replacement on the whistle for affinity

Yeah that’s good I like that 

[Evelo]

Not a fan of any of this, but then again I think skill trees should be all passives not character reworks. And I am in the minority that thinks so.

[Golden Daemon]

One thing I’ve noticed is that most new skills decrease Mightiness while in use.

One of the biggest problems with current Wolfgang is how boring and cumbersome his Mightiness gain feels compared to his older version, where he could instantly eat a meaty stew and be done with it. The current wolfgang rework we are playing with heavily pushes toward using Mightiness as a resource.

Currently, Mightiness acts more like an ability timer than a "mana" pool for Wolfgang’s powers. However, this skill tree turns it into yet another mana bar needing management on top of its timer function. This means it will deplete much faster and more frequently than before. Not only does this retain the existing problem of constant workouts between mighty forms, it multiplies the need for it.

You did include a skill named Regular Training, which somewhat addresses this by combining the old Wolfgang hunger mechanic with Mightiness  ,replacing Mightiness costs with Hunger and bringing him closer to his old version. But several issues need addressing.

First, it’s a mandatory skill for Mightiness branch abilities, yet it’s locked midway in the Circus Performer branch.
It would be far more accessible (and logical) as a lower tier skill or one without prerequisites so that players can get to it without having to go through things they might not want.

Second, while this change solves some problems, it introduces a new one. If the description "Wolfgang is able to regain his Mightiness for 2 days using Hunger after using a gym" is accurate, it means Mightiness costs become Hunger costs for two full days without limits or conditions (unless I’m misunderstanding).

This could be heavily abused by veteran players who have mastered the art of crockpot spamming, while being confusing and frustrating for newer players unprepared for such a rapid increase in Hunger drain (both from the new costs in the skilltree and the usual mightiness drain being added to the hunger drain).

A potential fix would be limiting this ability to only work when Hunger is above a threshold (like 80% or more).

Or even better, Instead of decreasing Mightiness costs, High hunger meter could increase Mightiness gain from actions and exercises.
This way, a well fed Wolfgang could transform and maintain his Mighty form more easily. With his attacks and work actions granting increased Mightiness, he could use these special abilities without reverting to Wimpy form as the extra Mightiness gain synergy from hunger offsets the ability cost while he remains fed.

Otherwise i like your ideas, even if most forum skilltree ideas are not balanced (which lets be honest, most of the currrently existing skill trees in the game are not balanced either) are really fun to think about and look at!

Edited August 3, 2025 by Golden Daemon

[Jakepeng99]

19 hours ago, Keknutui said:

Thanks to the last post, you helped me with ideas and my reworking of an existing end of Wolfgang's skill tree, which in my opinion needed to be reworked.

Okay, let's move on to the tree itself, which I've been working on for a few days, maybe weeks?

There are flaws in it that I can understand, but in it I tried to make Wolfgang not only stronger, but rather more diverse and useful in the team

MIGHTY

 1.Headless chicken (Wolfgang in weak form begins to accelerate by 5% every 3 seconds to 15%, and in medium form to 10%)

  2.The girth of a strongman (Wolfgang is able to throw heavy objects like statues, boulders or stones over a huge distance, causing huge damage. The damage depends and the expenditure of Mightiness (10-30) depends on the object.)

 3.Chore Workout (Wolfgang is able to break any object instantly with a 15% chance. For each successful trigger, Wolfgang loses 3% of his Mightiness.)

 4.Leg Day (Wolfgang runs 10% faster in weak form and 10% faster in medium form)

 5. Leg Day 2 (Wolfgang is able to jump on enemies, stunning them for a while, spending 5 Mightiness. Cooldown of 15 seconds)

 6. Gym Mastery (Wolfgang trains in a gym automatically)

 7. Coach Wolfgang (Wolfgang is able to increase mobs by 2 times after gradually wasting his power) (Instead of using a timer, he spends his Mightiness in medium and strong form)

 

SPECIAL SKILLS (Unlock at least 4 out of 7 skills. ONLY 1 CAN BE SELECTED)

 

 8. Trembling of the earth (Wolfgang in his mighty Form breaks trees and stones in the area, but spends x2 Mightiness and breaks tools 66% faster)

 9. Strong lunge (If Wolfgang doesn't take damage for 5 seconds after hitting, then his next attack will deal 3 times more damage and spend 6-7 Mightiness)

 

THE CIRCUS PERFORMER

 

 10.Dumbbell developer (Wolfgang is able to create thermal, fire and ice dumbbells)

 11.Pumped-up forms (Wolfgang is able to increase his power on the gum to 150) (Combined with the "Regular Training" skill)

 12. Dumbbell Potential (Wolfgang's ice and fire dumbbell attacks create an area when swinging and do not burn the drop. The thermal dumbbell is able to heat up or cool down VERY slowly in the inventory, depending on the shape of the Wolfgang)

  13. Regular Training (Wolfgang is able to regain his Mightiness for 2 days using hunger after using a gym) (Combined with the "Pumped-up forms" skill)

 14. Heavy Hitter (Deal double damage with dumbbells that break 2 times slower if thrown)

 15. Circus Swing (Wolfgang is now able to throw a dumbbell forward instead of throwing, causing damage to the area)

 16. Fast muscles (Wolfgang is able to return the dumbbells after a throw by getting close enough to them. It spends 5 Mightiness)

 

SPECIAL SKILLS (Unlock at least 4 out of 7 skills. ONLY 1 CAN BE SELECTED)

 

 17. Sports notes (Wolfgang is able to give the book to the characters, after reading which they will be able to read them and use dumbbells, which give a modifier of 1.20 (20%). The buff lasts for 2 minutes and spends a lot of hunger and slow sanity. The book has 10 durability and is capable of being repaired in the Wickerbottom Library)

 18.Strong belt (Wolfgang is able to create a belt that gives 80% protection, immunity to rejection and receive 3 times more Mightiness)

Crafting  (2 Ropes, 3 marbles and 1 Catcoon Tail.)

 

AFFINITY (Discovering skills is just like in the old Wolfgang Skill tree)

 

 19.Shadow Guard (Wolfgang takes +25 planar damage and 10% shadow protection and 10% damage to lunar creatures)

 20.Strong dumbbell (Wolfgang is able to create a dumbbell made of dreadstone that regenerates itself and causes great damage to the area depending on the sanity) Crafting (4 Dreadstone, 1 twig and 1 pure horror.)

 21. Shadow Screech (Wolfgang can create a dreadstone horror whistle to increase the attack speed of all mobs by 20%. This removes the effect of doubling damage, replacing it with 10 pure damage) Crafting (2 dreadstones, whistle and 3 pure horrors.)

 22. Moonlight (Wolfgang takes +25 planar damage and 10% lunar protection and 10% shadow creature damage)

 23. Fragmentation Dumbbell (Wolfgang is able to create a dumbbell out of pure brilliance, which leaves dust after impact, stunning mobs and causing damage to them like Celestial Scions attacks)

 24. Clouded by Light (Wolfgang spends 1% of his powers dealing an additional 15 planar damage)

 

There may be some mistakes or your suggestions and opinions, so please write them, I will try to review everything 

I believe this needs rebalanced its too op. He gains too much massive combat buffs, which would basically make him a Wurt 2.

[Edible Coal]

59 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

I believe this needs rebalanced its too op. He gains too much massive combat buffs, which would basically make him a Wurt 2.

remember this tree dont have free 25 planar dmg per hit

[Hungry French]

4 hours ago, Golden Daemon said:

В настоящее время «Могущество» больше похоже на таймер способностей, чем на «резервуар маны» для сил Вольфганга. Однако это дерево навыков превращает его в ещё один индикатор маны, которым нужно управлять в дополнение к функции таймера. Это означает, что он будет истощаться гораздо быстрее и чаще, чем раньше. Это не только сохраняет существующую проблему с постоянными тренировками между могучими формами, но и увеличивает потребность в них.

That's the point of the new Wolfgang. You need to train to be strong. And Klei has made it much easier by making it possible to gain power from attacking mobs, chopping and mining, from paddling, etc.

Old Wolfgang and his force were oriented for solo DS where food was scarce. And before RoG, there was even less of it.

[Well-met]

this is pretty good but I don't think headless chicken should affect the normal form at all

[Golden Daemon]

4 hours ago, Hungry French said:

That's the point of the new Wolfgang. You need to train to be strong.

I'm not taking fault with the theme of training in order to gain mightiness for the reworked wolfgang (i actually like it), I'm saying that the way its currently implemented, It is done mostly as a chore and is the "not fun part you have to endure to reach the fun part". Its just very linear and binary and has no room for any skill expression (barring the gym minigame when done without the skill that automates it).
And keep in mind, most of my feedback is framed within the context of the skill tree being discussed.

[Cruvimaster]

It all comes down to making Wolfgang more powerful. It would be unfortunate that Devs start to start a new rework cycle.

[cybers2001]

I've pretty much accepted that I won't be playing Wolfgang again for a long time. It's okay because so many other characters can do so much damage now and have a more interesting kit at the same time.

[Jakepeng99]

21 hours ago, Edible Coal said:

remember this tree dont have free 25 planar dmg per hit

That’s a stupid mechanic. Him dealing less damage with planar weapons was always bad design and still doesn’t justify his pre riff.

[Theukon-dos]

Well, it's an improvement atleast. But to be honest, that's still not saying much when Wolfgang's current skill tree is... that.

 

The main problem I see with this tree is that it tries making your mightiness into a resource that is spent to perform bonus actions. But everything Wolfgang does that benefits from mightiness also increases it. Meaning, you're never really going to be in a situation where you're spending more might than you're gaining. The only real way I see this working is if Wolfgang got fully reworked with that mechanic as a base line, similar to @Toroic's Wolfgang re-re-refresh. 

 

As for the skills themselves... Again, it is an improvement, but nothing here really feels like it would be a meaningful choice or lead to a wide variety of build options. Most of the perks are just different flavors of "you fight better", which was already the biggest problem with Wolfgang's current skill tree. And the only two utility perks you added are just "you harvest better", which are nice, but are just things he already does better being made even better. 

Examples of things I think Wolfgang could get in his skill tree without breaking him could look like:

 

Mighty Mariner: Boats take less damage from ramming into things.

Mighty Mariner 2: While Mighty, Wolfgang can pull heavy objects off the sea floor with a fishing rod. 

Same-day Delivery: Wolfgang can throw heavy objects across the map, letting you quickly move around suspicious marble chunks, altar pieces, statues, and the like. 

Caravan Cargo: Wolfgang can craft heavy objects that serve as inventories. The first tier might just be a sack with ~16 inventory slots that anyone can haul. The second tier is a vault with even more inventory slots, but only Wolfgang will even attempt to lift. And the third tear being a split option between a lunar inventory with the elastispacer effect or a shadow inventory with a built-in lazy forager effect. 

 

 

[Cruvimaster]

Analyzing the forum's skills rework requests, what would make the most meaning of Wilson (the only old character who had no Rework). Devs simply ignored. Perhaps the most important thing is to live a dream that devs will change a character that should be in the top 4 of the game ...

[Hungry French]

On 03.08.2025 at 21:18, Golden Daemon said:

Я не придираюсь к теме тренировок, направленных на обретение силы для обновлённого Вольфганга (на самом деле мне это нравится), я говорю о том, что в нынешнем виде это реализовано в основном как рутина и является «неприятной частью, которую нужно пережить, чтобы добраться до приятной части». Всё очень линейно и бинарно, и здесь нет места для проявления каких-либо навыков (за исключением мини-игры в спортзале, если вы не используете навык, который автоматизирует её).
И имейте в виду, что большая часть моих отзывов связана с обсуждаемым деревом навыков.

The game is designed so that everything around it is routine. Starting from resource extraction ending with boss battles.
One thing makes someone depressed. Someone else. Personally, I really don't like the mechanics of sleep and Raid bosses.

[Dr.Webber]

On 8/2/2025 at 11:19 AM, Keknutui said:

4.Leg Day (Wolfgang runs 10% faster in weak form and 10% faster in medium form)

I think you forgot to increase his speed with his medium form

 

On 8/2/2025 at 11:19 AM, Keknutui said:

AFFINITY (Discovering skills is just like in the old Wolfgang Skill tree)

 

 19.Shadow Guard (Wolfgang takes +25 planar damage and 10% shadow protection and 10% damage to lunar creatures)

 20.Strong dumbbell (Wolfgang is able to create a dumbbell made of dreadstone that regenerates itself and causes great damage to the area depending on the sanity) Crafting (4 Dreadstone, 1 twig and 1 pure horror.)

 21. Shadow Screech (Wolfgang can create a dreadstone horror whistle to increase the attack speed of all mobs by 20%. This removes the effect of doubling damage, replacing it with 10 pure damage) Crafting (2 dreadstones, whistle and 3 pure horrors.)

 22. Moonlight (Wolfgang takes +25 planar damage and 10% lunar protection and 10% shadow creature damage)

 23. Fragmentation Dumbbell (Wolfgang is able to create a dumbbell out of pure brilliance, which leaves dust after impact, stunning mobs and causing damage to them like Celestial Scions attacks)

 24. Clouded by Light (Wolfgang spends 1% of his powers dealing an additional 15 planar damage)

 

There may be some mistakes or your suggestions and opinions, so please write them, I will try to review everything 

What do you mean it takes planar damage Don’t mean he does planar damage.

Also, I think you forgot the recipe for fragmentation dumbbells and also if the shadow one is made out of dread stone, I think it should be made out of the lunar equivalent to that or have it be in the form ofpure horror rather than dread stone

I don’t quite understand the last lunar skill, and kind of think that should be a lunar version of what the dread stone whistle instead

[TheDarksiders]

Hi this skilltree is very cool and some of the ideas are very cool (some not to much but people already said the same thing) me and my friends are currently making a wolfgang skilltree rework/overhaul to make him more fun for all and some of the skills seem funny may we borrow some? (If you want you can also take some of ours)

[TheDarksiders]

1 hour ago, TheDarksiders said:

Hi this skilltree is very cool and some of the ideas are very cool (some not to much but people already said the same thing) me and my friends are currently making a wolfgang skilltree rework/overhaul to make him more fun for all and some of the skills seem funny may we borrow some? (If you want you can also take some of ours)

Also we're planning to send the idea to klei entertainment themselves 

[Keknutui]

2 hours ago, TheDarksiders said:

Привет, это древо навыков очень крутое, и некоторые идеи просто супер (некоторые не очень, но люди уже говорили об этом). Мы с друзьями сейчас занимаемся переработкой/обновлением древа навыков Вольфганга, чтобы сделать его более интересным для всех. Некоторые навыки кажутся забавными. Можно мы позаимствуем некоторые из них? (Если хотите, можете взять и наши)

Of course not, maybe Klei will tale some ideas

[TheDarksiders]

2 hours ago, Keknutui said:

Of course not, maybe Klei will tale some ideas

Спасибо

[TheDarksiders]

On 8/4/2025 at 3:25 PM, Theukon-dos said:

Well, it's an improvement atleast. But to be honest, that's still not saying much when Wolfgang's current skill tree is... that.

 

The main problem I see with this tree is that it tries making your mightiness into a resource that is spent to perform bonus actions. But everything Wolfgang does that benefits from mightiness also increases it. Meaning, you're never really going to be in a situation where you're spending more might than you're gaining. The only real way I see this working is if Wolfgang got fully reworked with that mechanic as a base line, similar to @Toroic's Wolfgang re-re-refresh. 

 

As for the skills themselves... Again, it is an improvement, but nothing here really feels like it would be a meaningful choice or lead to a wide variety of build options. Most of the perks are just different flavors of "you fight better", which was already the biggest problem with Wolfgang's current skill tree. And the only two utility perks you added are just "you harvest better", which are nice, but are just things he already does better being made even better. 

Examples of things I think Wolfgang could get in his skill tree without breaking him could look like:

 

Mighty Mariner: Boats take less damage from ramming into things.

Mighty Mariner 2: While Mighty, Wolfgang can pull heavy objects off the sea floor with a fishing rod. 

Same-day Delivery: Wolfgang can throw heavy objects across the map, letting you quickly move around suspicious marble chunks, altar pieces, statues, and the like. 

Caravan Cargo: Wolfgang can craft heavy objects that serve as inventories. The first tier might just be a sack with ~16 inventory slots that anyone can haul. The second tier is a vault with even more inventory slots, but only Wolfgang will even attempt to lift. And the third tear being a split option between a lunar inventory with the elastispacer effect or a shadow inventory with a built-in lazy forager effect. 

 

 

Hello theukon-dos may I be able to use your same day delivery idea but change it to something similar? please?