Keknutui Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 I didn't like the arc of the lunar rifts and Wagstaff's disappearance, until today my friend told me his story, which I hadn't noticed before, and I don't think anyone really paid attention. It will be easier for me to show it in the form of silly pictures, as my friend showed me. Enjoy your viewing This is Wagstaff, he's a kleptomaniac He wants revolutionary inventions and money. And where can you steal a lot of jewelry? In the constant, of course! But he doesn't know how to bring them into the real world... The first attempt was unsuccessful and he got into the constant, but since we didn't see who it was, it might have been an employee, but I don't think so. The result: the explosion of the portal and the creation of the first rift. The second attempt is to create a portal for moving valuables Hmm, where is his portal charged with lunar energy? And here he is! The result: a portal charged with lunar power summons enhanced lunar creatures while its portal is running. It's also one-sided. Wagstaff's final attempt to build a portal for transferring things from Constant The result: Due to the lack of strong lunar energy, he simply does not work and, as a result, from flirting with the power of the moon, Alter him... Yes, it's an incredibly uncomplicated plot. Knowing Wagstaff's motives from the cinematic "Spotlight", we know that he doesn't care about people, and his main motive has always been himself. As a result, because of his desire to get rich and create revolutionary technologies with the help of the lunar side, the moon itself eventually took him to Сonstant for annoying and harming the moon. Yes, there may be inconsistencies in this theory, but after reviewing the cinematics and analyzing Wagstaff, his motivation is quite clear and I believe that he got what he deserved. @BiddoBamsMaybe you can emphasize something for your lore video But before he disappeared, he was able to pick up the spider, but we were not told how he did it or whether he did it himself. And judging by this spider and its properties, it turned out to be either defective, or the transfer to the real world spoiled the spider. 8 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capybara007 Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 i dont like the lore 1 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSpoon Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 (edited) I agree with the author's explanation of the Wagstaff Saga, but in my interpretation that Wagstaff wasn't taken to real or Constant, and was taken to anywhere where "Them" lives. I think this update enough as a Wagstaff Saga, but it's totally not enough to explain about Luna Saga. I want answers to who they are, why they're here, what and why they're doing, and what their history is. Edited June 16, 2025 by SilverSpoon 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 It's very weird. Wagstaff seemed so close in the intermission to achieving the portal travel. The rock seemed to work as long as the radio thing on the top was aimed correctly. Then he just got super distracted with trying to make a giant war machine . Like, if he had stronger screws then I think he could have actually made a working portal. 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edible Coal Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 2 hours ago, Keknutui said: I didn't like the arc of the lunar rifts and Wagstaff's disappearance, until today my friend told me his story, which I hadn't noticed before, and I don't think anyone really paid attention. It will be easier for me to show it in the form of silly pictures, as my friend showed me. Enjoy your viewing This is Wagstaff, he's a kleptomaniac He wants revolutionary inventions and money. And where can you steal a lot of jewelry? In the constant, of course! But he doesn't know how to bring them into the real world... The first attempt was unsuccessful and he got into the constant, but since we didn't see who it was, it might have been an employee, but I don't think so. The result: the explosion of the portal and the creation of the first rift. The second attempt is to create a portal for moving valuables Hmm, where is his portal charged with lunar energy? And here he is! The result: a portal charged with lunar power summons enhanced lunar creatures while its portal is running. It's also one-sided. Wagstaff's final attempt to build a portal for transferring things from Constant The result: Due to the lack of strong lunar energy, he simply does not work and, as a result, from flirting with the power of the moon, Alter him... Yes, it's an incredibly uncomplicated plot. Knowing Wagstaff's motives from the cinematic "Spotlight", we know that he doesn't care about people, and his main motive has always been himself. As a result, because of his desire to get rich and create revolutionary technologies with the help of the lunar side, the moon itself eventually took him to Сonstant for annoying and harming the moon. Yes, there may be inconsistencies in this theory, but after reviewing the cinematics and analyzing Wagstaff, his motivation is quite clear and I believe that he got what he deserved. @BiddoBamsMaybe you can emphasize something for your lore video But before he disappeared, he was able to pick up the spider, but we were not told how he did it or whether he did it himself. And judging by this spider and its properties, it turned out to be either defective, or the transfer to the real world spoiled the spider. my biggest issue with wagstaff is how he constantly shift his goal , from portals to energy and to a warbot? is really hard to understand what hes trying to do 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keller Max Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 Wagstaff probably promised survivors to get them out of the constant if they help him with stuff. Which makes sense, since Wagstaff wants to create an out of constant portal to transport resources to the real world. And survivors would use it to escape the constant. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 (edited) This arc was quite clear up to this update. I still can't figure out why Wagstaff suddenly stopped his gateway research and instead went to build a giant killer robot on a random island. Who is this against? Edited June 16, 2025 by Cassielu 12 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Waffles Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, SilverSpoon said: I agree with the author's explanation of the Wagstaff Saga, but in my interpretation that Wagstaff wasn't taken to real or Constant, and was taken to anywhere where "Them" lives. I think this update enough as a Wagstaff Saga, but it's totally not enough to explain about Luna Saga. I want answers to who they are, why they're here, what and why they're doing, and what their history is. Wagstaff is definitely coming back in some sort of way so that'll probably explain more about "Them" 1 hour ago, Cassielu said: This arc was quite clear up to this update. I still can't figure out why Wagstaff suddenly stopped his gateway research and instead went to build a giant killer robot on a random island. Who is this against? needed more moon power so he made a bigger robot to harness the power of gestalts but it was too much power and they took it over Edited June 16, 2025 by Johnny_Waffles 5 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurun Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 3 hours ago, Cassielu said: This arc was quite clear up to this update. I still can't figure out why Wagstaff suddenly stopped his gateway research and instead went to build a giant killer robot on a random island. Who is this against? I think once he realized the lunar entities could animate machines, he simply decided to create some helping "hands". Big robot could potentially bring a lot of staff, much more than survivors, or could serve as a bodyguard, or some sort of AI machine. I honestly thought he planned to travel to the moon for some reason. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAPineapple Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 I feel like if you need to view the core character to an entire narrative arc at juuuust the right angle for his motivations to be clear, it kinda makes the whole arc suffer for it? Wagstaff needed more umph, a clearer goal, and most importantly a clearer reason to want to help him outside of "it's the new thing to do in the game" As he stands though he's just kinda doing his own thing for nebulous 'science!' which I don't find enough for a character positioned as the driving force of an entire arc. Aiding a man who could not give less about the survivors in order to progress vauge science, is just a lot less compelling to me then pursuing Charlie. Even if you have no investment in Charlies chatacter and tragedy, she's still sitting on the nightmare throne, and while her goals aren't super clear either (and don't get me wrong I'll be very disappointed if they are left nebulous and never get revealed.) her position and role overseeing the constant is a lot more clear then whatever wagstaff was up to. Honestly I wouldn't even mind Wagstaff that much if he was positioned purely as a meddling force causing problems for the survivors, and not a meddling force causing problems for the survivors that sometimes they help cause even more problems for themselves. Or just make the juice worth the squeeze motivation wise, have wagstaff promise a way out or anything besides furthering progress in a world that the survivors are no longer apart of. 5 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanasdf Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 (edited) 10 hours ago, Edible Coal said: from portals to energy and to a warbot? 10 hours ago, Radicaljoe said: Then he just got super distracted with trying to make a giant war machine 8 hours ago, Cassielu said: instead went to build a giant killer robot on a random island. It wouldn't surprise me if Wagstaff had already made some kind of deal with military forces to supply nightmare fuel weaponry. As far as we know, Wanda had access to nightmare fuel outside of the constant in some way, shape or form... But then again, Wanda's lore is... really not explained. And seeing how lunar powered items seem to be stronger againts shadow entities (lore-wise), perhaps he wanted to test lunar beings channeled as power sources into weapons... after all, why not sell them to the enemy and make even more money? Edited June 17, 2025 by Juanasdf Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 25 minutes ago, Juanasdf said: It wouldn't surprise me if Wagstaff had already made some kind of deal with military forces to supply nightmare fuel weaponry. As far as we know, Wanda had access to nightmare fuel outside of the constant in some way, shape or form... But then again, Wanda's lore is... really not explained. And seeing how lunar powered items seem to be stronger againts shadow entities (lore-wise), perhaps he wanted to test lunar beings channeled as power sources into weapons... after all, why not sell them to the enemy and make even more money? Yeah, like I'm aware Wagstaff wanted to make weapons eventually, but he was like MID portal research and full swapped his focus on big gun robot. I figured he'd want to atleast get 1 portal functional before progressing to defense/offense. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggofroot Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 (edited) biddobams mentioned?? 10 hours ago, Edible Coal said: my biggest issue with wagstaff is how he constantly shift his goal , from portals to energy and to a warbot? is really hard to understand what hes trying to do you never really knew what he wanted in the first place tbh, his quotes for dark sword does point towards military. Maybe overthrowing the governemt or smth idk Edited June 17, 2025 by Draggofroot Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanasdf Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 Just now, Radicaljoe said: I figured he'd want to atleast get 1 portal functional before progressing to defense/offense. But then if he has a portal working, he risks survivors finding it and refusing to help him test his killer robot. Even with a non-functional portal, the risk is still present with Wilson and Winona potentially using his research notes to get it working. I doubt he wants to have any risks at all of losing his test subjects... then again he built a giant war machine that could potentially turn against him. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 13 hours ago, Keknutui said: The first attempt was unsuccessful and he got into the constant, but since we didn't see who it was, it might have been an employee, but I don't think so. That's Winona, following right after WX. Wagstaff accesses the Constant through a projector containing a film of Maxwell's final disastrous performance. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleOzze Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 10 hours ago, Cassielu said: This arc was quite clear up to this update. I still can't figure out why Wagstaff suddenly stopped his gateway research and instead went to build a giant killer robot on a random island. Who is this against? To be honest, I feel like Klei planned to do something ambitious here. Like, creating portal to lunar dimension with new mechanic/bioms/enemies or something. But then they realized that they don't have enough resources and/or time for going down that road, they decided "giant moon robot goes brrr". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 2 hours ago, Juanasdf said: But then if he has a portal working, he risks survivors finding it and refusing to help him test his killer robot. Even with a non-functional portal, the risk is still present with Wilson and Winona potentially using his research notes to get it working. I doubt he wants to have any risks at all of losing his test subjects... then again he built a giant war machine that could potentially turn against him. I get what you mean, but this is also Wagstaff. He could totally lie to them about letting them use the portal if they help him gather more research. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 7 hours ago, JustAPineapple said: I feel like if you need to view the core character to an entire narrative arc at juuuust the right angle for his motivations to be clear, it kinda makes the whole arc suffer for it? Wagstaff needed more umph, a clearer goal, and most importantly a clearer reason to want to help him outside of "it's the new thing to do in the game" As he stands though he's just kinda doing his own thing for nebulous 'science!' which I don't find enough for a character positioned as the driving force of an entire arc. Aiding a man who could not give less about the survivors in order to progress vauge science, is just a lot less compelling to me then pursuing Charlie. Even if you have no investment in Charlies chatacter and tragedy, she's still sitting on the nightmare throne, and while her goals aren't super clear either (and don't get me wrong I'll be very disappointed if they are left nebulous and never get revealed.) her position and role overseeing the constant is a lot more clear then whatever wagstaff was up to. Honestly I wouldn't even mind Wagstaff that much if he was positioned purely as a meddling force causing problems for the survivors, and not a meddling force causing problems for the survivors that sometimes they help cause even more problems for themselves. Or just make the juice worth the squeeze motivation wise, have wagstaff promise a way out or anything besides furthering progress in a world that the survivors are no longer apart of. Hard agree. There's no reason for survivors to be wanting to help Wagstaff outside of the vague "Well, he helped us stop those moonstorms earlier, I guess..." justification that he might be useful to them. And it is, frankly speaking, baffling how much Klei neglected to work on this part of his storyline, considering that for two years now we had this random portal Wagstaff was working on. If it was an actual in-game setpiece that could serve as his "Hey, if you help me, I could get this gateway-back-home up and running" bargaining chip , then at least there'd be a reason for survivors to be doing all these fetch quests 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry French Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 DS Wagstaff and DST Wagstaff are different characters... 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166498-i-understood-the-plot-of-the-lunar-rifts-and-the-wagstaff-arch-and-it-funny/#findComment-1822909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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