Wraithe's Wreathe is a problem that needs fixing.

[Nikki Darks]

Please, for the love of God.... Make it so that we can drink elixirs without needing the Wraithe's Wreathe equipped.

It makes elixirs much less desirable and much more clunky to use for whatever reason.

Just make the elixirs consumables like goodies and that's it, elixirs are suddenly good.

This item has terrible stats, it spoils, it is a head slot item; locks elixirs behind a head slot that could've been something with better stats...

[Cuernito.]

No, its not a problem, the wraith's wreathe is fine. Early game is pretty good and late game is not  a necessary item so i dont see any problem.

Not all of wendy kit needs to be the strongest thing ever.

[Well-met]

it's deliberate so the meta game doesnt become go wendy to farm billions of permanent potions, switch back and use them whenever.

I mean you can do that still but losing your head slot is an excellent cost.

[Dingle]

The one thing I would really like is letting you take the wreath off, then put it back on, without losing the elixir effect entirely. That is, taking it off would make it so you're not getting the elixir effect, but it doesn't vanish entirely if you're only taking it off for a moment.

 

 

[Swiyss]

39 minutes ago, Well-met said:

it's deliberate so the meta game doesnt become go wendy to farm billions of permanent potions, switch back and use them whenever.

I mean you can do that still but losing your head slot is an excellent cost.

is it that hard to only allow wendy to equip it?

2 hours ago, NekoSoulx said:

No, its not a problem, the wraith's wreathe is fine. Early game is pretty good and late game is not  a necessary item so i dont see any problem.

Not all of wendy kit needs to be the strongest thing ever.

early game is not pretty good, it takes a bunch of mourning glory to maintain, for something that other players can do for free. If the main idea is that wendy is too strong already, then make her weaker and make the wreath a bit stronger. It should be a core item, not a random thing you use and then discard later. It should be a nice implementation because it's beautiful and desirable, it's particles are beautiful. 

I wanna use the wreath all the time, but I can't because it locks me from the head slot. It shouldn't be an item that is better than all alternatives, but it should at least be close to them.

The wreath could have better upgrades for late game. I don't wanna use this in the early game and then change my skill tree in the portal later and stop using it. It's finally a cute wendy specific thing, then it would be great to have it do most of what other headslots can do, but at the cost of potions. That's why I think that potions should actually cost more mourning glory, and give better effects for wendy, they should also stack, 3 nightshade nostrum should be drinkable to stack the effect, and other potions should give better protection alternatives, rain, armor and insulation at the cost of very expensive in-game items with the addition of spirit rituals...

They should also give pispook 2 more minigames...

[WilsonHiggs]

The interesting part of the item is sacrificing a character slot to use the perks... About the spoiling time... Idk you but I always end up dropping them before they spoil and they are super cheap..

Of all the things that can be improved you suggested the 'lazy player' route that would make it a flat and boring perk of 'ey, just take all these perks without real costs'. No wonder why klei's goal of these years was making the game more casual which is the only problem here in need of fixes

[Nikki Darks]

1 hour ago, Well-met said:

it's deliberate so the meta game doesnt become go wendy to farm billions of permanent potions, switch back and use them whenever.

I mean you can do that still but losing your head slot is an excellent cost.

I personally don't really care about the meta, I pick Wickerbottom and stay Wickerbottom.

What I do care about is enjoyability (which I know is 100% subjective). And right now, the awkward hat just ain't it.

But that's just my opinion.

2 minutes ago, WilsonHiggs said:

The interesting part of the item is sacrificing a character slot to use the perks... About the spoiling time... Idk you but I always end up dropping them before they spoil and they are super cheap..

Of all the things that can be improved you suggested the 'lazy player' route that would make it a flat and boring perk of 'ey, just take all these perks without real costs'. No wonder why klei's goal of these years was making the game more casual 

I thought the cost of skills is the skill points you sacrifice to pick one skill over the other...?

[WilsonHiggs]

2 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

3 minutes ago, WilsonHiggs said:

 

I thought the cost of skills is the skill points you sacrifice to pick one skill over the other...?

you can't be serious 

[Cuernito.]

1 hour ago, astareus said:

early game is not pretty good

Excuse me what? Early game is the only time i use that item, idk about you but they feel really cheap to me. Besides a log suit and a football helmet have the same stats so i usually use log suits and the wraith's wreathe to explore the caves really early with wendy, and because the item works like a garland plus wendy natural insanity reduction i usually have a really easy time at ruins with wendy. 

[BattleOzze]

Wraithe's Wreathe gives:

1) Nice armor option for early\mid game, that both cheaper and more effective than Football Helmet
2) Cheaper and better Moggles, literally one of the best headslots in game, unless you in a fight
3) Gives steady sanity regen, comparable to Top Hat
4) Oh, and also let's you to heal with glands more effectively
This garland is literally the best headgear straight up to rifts, and even then it is useful due to night vision. What more do you even want from this thing?

[Swiyss]

47 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

Excuse me what? Early game is the only time i use that item, idk about you but they feel really cheap to me. Besides a log suit and a football helmet have the same stats so i usually use log suits and the wraith's wreathe to explore the caves really early with wendy, and because the item works like a garland plus wendy natural insanity reduction i usually have a really easy time at ruins with wendy. 

In this scenario yes, but in most cases, ruins is not early for everyone. Most people are not rushing it as wendy I believe. But even then, what I meant by it being bad early game is that honestly there are better alternatives like the miner hat and the eye mask. Why would I ever want an item that removes my buff when I switch it up? At most I'll be using my backpack, so I can't have insulation or rain or armor suits without sacrificing my backpack, all of this for some night vision and "sometimes a shield"? Wx can have night vision on day 1 to 3 very very consistently and he doesn't need to give up the most important slot for casualty. As I said, a moggles or lantern or miner hat casualties will all negate the usefulness of the wreath because the item is not as great as it's supposed to be. And they all don't require you to be Wendy and their maintenance is arguably better than the mourning glory costs. The item should either be more expensive and take longer to expire or be upgradeable or allow us to repir it with mourning glory.

[Wawchik]

I didn't play skill tree Wendy yet, but my friend did, and we didn't find wreathe very useful really, mostly used it just for night vision. The shield potion lasts like 10 seconds (obviously not, but why is it so short), healing potion is mid, because it's not hard to heal at all. For me this was just better moggles 

Also, PLEASE DON'T KILL ME, we played with extra equip slots, so I WANTED to use wreathe a lot, but, as I said, used it as just better moggles 

[Cuernito.]

1 hour ago, astareus said:

In this scenario yes, but in most cases, ruins is not early for everyone. Most people are not rushing it as wendy I believe. But even then, what I meant by it being bad early game is that honestly there are better alternatives like the miner hat and the eye mask. Why would I ever want an item that removes my buff when I switch it up? At most I'll be using my backpack, so I can't have insulation or rain or armor suits without sacrificing my backpack, all of this for some night vision and "sometimes a shield"? Wx can have night vision on day 1 to 3 very very consistently and he doesn't need to give up the most important slot for casualty. As I said, a moggles or lantern or miner hat casualties will all negate the usefulness of the wreath because the item is not as great as it's supposed to be. And they all don't require you to be Wendy and their maintenance is arguably better than the mourning glory costs. The item should either be more expensive and take longer to expire or be upgradeable or allow us to repir it with mourning glory.

First of all you are making a lot of bad comparisons. Moggles, lanterns and miner hat need time to get, you even need a crafting station to get them. And in which word wx-78 night vision can be compared with Wendy's night vision? This actually made me laugh because wx-78 needs all sort of things to get that night vision, its not for free, he needs to be charged and he have to choose that over a lot of others (in my opinion better) circuits. Meanwhile Wendy can get her night vision before a torch easily with just one quest. So i dont get your point, Wendy's whole kit feels really cheap, almost like its made for noobs but thats not a good reason to make her have the strongest stuff just for free.

Last thing is the wraith's wreathe is just an alternative for wendy players so you dont have to go out of your way to get things like miner hat or moggles, this item was made for wendys players that dont want to rush a science machine and instead of that just do quests on graveyards, so yep i feel the crown is for players with a more dinamic/nomadic playstyle and right now works really well especially on people that play on pub matches, i can tell a lot of people feel the ghostly crown is good enough. 

[Edible Coal]

5 hours ago, Well-met said:

it's deliberate so the meta game doesnt become go wendy to farm billions of permanent potions, switch back and use them whenever.

I mean you can do that still but losing your head slot is an excellent cost.

looks at warly:

[Cuernito.]

2 hours ago, astareus said:

mourning glory costs

i dont know which game are you playing but mourning glories are really cheap, all the normal elixirs are really cheap, almost all wendy kit is about how easy and cheap it is. The biggest example of this is how wendy can mass farm easily all the ingredients for the elixirs.

[Swiyss]

2 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

First of all you are making a lot of bad comparisons. Moggles, lanterns and miner hat need time to get, you even need a crafting station to get them. And in which word wx-78 night vision can be compared with Wendy's night vision? This actually made me laugh because wx-78 needs all sort of things to get that night vision, its not for free, he needs to be charged and he have to choose that over a lot of others (in my opinion better) circuits. Meanwhile Wendy can get her night vision before a torch easily with just one quest. So i dont get your point, Wendy's whole kit feels really cheap, almost like its made for noobs but thats not a good reason to make her have the strongest stuff just for free.

Last thing is the wraith's wreathe is just an alternative for wendy players so you dont have to go out of your way to get things like miner hat or moggles, this item was made for wendys players that dont want to rush a science machine and instead of that just do quests on graveyards, so yep i feel the crown is for players with a more dinamic/nomadic playstyle and right now works really well especially on people that play on pub matches, i can tell a lot of people feel the ghostly crown is good enough. 

you're laughing because you might be a noob.

I get night vision on day 1 every single time lol.

By day 3 I have an alchemy pre built and all pig stuff like helmets and hambats.

If you really need to rush the ruins with wendy, you're gonna need to use a lot of nostrum compared to the passive buff wx gets, and wendy has to craft like 3 wreaths total and can't unequip them like are we even playing the same game?

2 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

i dont know which game are you playing but mourning glories are really cheap, all the normal elixirs are really cheap, almost all wendy kit is about how easy and cheap it is. The biggest example of this is how wendy can mass farm easily all the ingredients for the elixirs.

Dude, you're absolutely insane. Don't you get it that I wanna make it more expensive to have the buffs for longer?

and have better buffs as well.

[Edible Coal]

just....make it so it pause the effect when taken off, is not something ground breaking

[Swiyss]

1 minute ago, Edible Coal said:

just....make it so it pause the effect when taken off, is not something ground breaking

it's common sense. But jason wants the character to be balanced. You might need a trip to thailand and train muay thai for 10 years to figure that out.

[Cuernito.]

3 minutes ago, astareus said:

you're laughing because you might be a noob.

I get night vision on day 1 every single time lol.

By day 3 I have an alchemy pre built and all pig stuff like helmets and hambats.

If you really need to rush the ruins with wendy, you're gonna need to use a lot of nostrum compared to the passive buff wx gets, and wendy has to craft like 3 wreaths total and can't unequip them like are we even playing the same game?

WTF XD, all this is so wrong. 3 wreaths? AND a lot of nostrum? why? every potion last 1 full day and im not gonna stay in ruins for all the season, not only that but with all the perks of wendy to get more elixirs per craft plus the extra glories of pipspook i always end with more glories than i need to do ruins, and inside the minotaur arena there are some graveyards. But i get you, maybe you and i dont play the same game, i usually have the alchemy engine ready on day 1 as well as all the stuff people need for combat like the football helmet and the hambat but the alternatives are always better and more funny to use. Maybe you use the nostrum potions on abi inside ruins so you think you need a lot of those when in reality abi do full damage in caves but oh well ggs XD

and one last thing please stop comparing wendy with wx-78 to try to validate your opinion about the crown, they are not the same and while is true that the robot can do ruins a lot better than the majority of the cast that alone doesnt prove the crown is bad, i always use it with wendy in a nomadic playstyle in public servers and i always get good results. And at the end klei is smart enough to know what to do with the crown (in my opinion they are not gonna change anything on the crown <3)

[Swiyss]

10 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

WTF XD, all this is so wrong. 3 wreaths? AND a lot of nostrum? why? every potion last 1 full day and im not gonna stay in ruins for all the season, not only that but with all the perks of wendy to get more elixirs per craft plus the extra glories of pipspook i always end with more glories than i need to do ruins, and inside the minotaur arena there are some graveyards. But i get you, maybe you and i dont play the same game, i usually have the alchemy engine ready on day 1 as well as all the stuff people need for combat like the football helmet and the hambat but the alternatives are always better and more funny to use. Maybe you use the nostrum potions on abi inside ruins so you think you need a lot of those when in reality abi do full damage in caves but oh well ggs XD

and one last thing please stop comparing wendy with wx-78 to try to validate your opinion about the crown, they are not the same and while is true that the robot can do ruins a lot better than the majority of the cast that alone doesnt prove the crown is bad, i always use it with wendy in a nomadic playstyle in public servers and i always get good results. And at the end klei is smart enough to know what to do with the crown (in my opinion they are not gonna change anything on the crown <3)

Miner hat is firefly, gold and grass. can be refueled with bulbs. Can be switched up.

Lantern is bulbs, rope and twigs. can be refueled with bulbs. Can be switched up.

Moggles is 2 moles, doodad and glowberry. Can be refueled with lesser glow berry and regular glow berry. Can be switched up.

Wreath is 6 mourning glory. Can be refueled with nostrum, costs 1 stinger and 3 mourning glory per nostrum. 3 pipspooks will give you around 20 to 30 potions assuming you got all the filler pipspook and potion skills. I can't fight enemies without a suit (forces me to use a suit). Have to open the casket and drink the potion manually if the potion runs out in the middle of a fight. Have to craft 2 per ruins clear. Can't be unequipped.

If rain starts I need a rain suit. If winter comes I need an insulation suit. If summer comes I need another insulation suit. All of this to use the wreath. But I don't need to sacrifice anything to use the lantern, it's just an inv slot and it's rechargeable by bulbs.

The casualty that the wreath grants it's a fake one, because there are better in-game alternatives to those problems. It's better to carry a tam for sanity and insulation and use a lantern for light or just switch to a moggles quickly.

And about the morning glory, that's my whole problem. You can get lots of potions and can keep crafting wreaths, but it would be a lot better if the item was upgradeable or more expensive to give better results, like actually matching enlightened crown's sanity gain in the late game and actually giving a great buff from other potions. Currently all other potions are bad since healing is better done by food and armor is better done by using armors. It's redundant, it's a noob trap, it's an item you use for the first 5 days and then never again.

[Cuernito.]

12 minutes ago, astareus said:

Miner hat is firefly, gold and grass. can be refueled with bulbs. Can be switched up.

Lantern is bulbs, rope and twigs. can be refueled with bulbs. Can be switched up.

Moggles is 2 moles, doodad and glowberry. Can be refueled with lesser glow berry and regular glow berry. Can be switched up.

Wreath is 6 mourning glory. Can be refueled with nostrum, costs 1 stinger and 3 mourning glory per nostrum. 3 pipspooks will give you around 20 to 30 potions assuming you got all the filler pipspook and potion skills. I can't fight enemies without a suit (forces me to use a suit). Have to open the casket and drink the potion manually if the potion runs out in the middle of a fight. Have to craft 2 per ruins clear. Can't be unequipped.

If rain starts I need a rain suit. If winter comes I need an insulation suit. If summer comes I need another insulation suit. All of this to use the wreath. But I don't need to sacrifice anything to use the lantern, it's just an inv slot and it's rechargeable by bulbs.

The casualty that the wreath grants it's a fake one, because there are better in-game alternatives to those problems. It's better to carry a tam for sanity and insulation and use a lantern for light or just switch to a moggles quickly.

And about the morning glory, that's my whole problem. You can get lots of potions and can keep crafting wreaths, but it would be a lot better if the item was upgradeable or more expensive to give better results, like actually matching enlightened crown's sanity gain in the late game and actually giving a great buff from other potions. Currently all other potions are bad since healing is better done by food and armor is better done by using armors. It's redundant, it's a noob trap, it's an item you use for the first 5 days and then never again.

well at the end you and i agree, the crown is an early game item but thats not bad, if you wanna use a character with a lot more potential for late game just use winona, wendy has other stuff for mid-late game like gabi so i dont see any reason to make the crown more expensive when it is obvious an early game item, you dont need to use it during summer or winter, hell even me when winter comes in day 19 or 20 stop using that, it is what it is, just an early game item, its funny and usefull to use but only during the firsts 16 days. And i understand you want the item to be a mid-late game stuff but thats not happening sorry.

[WilsonHiggs]

4 hours ago, Edible Coal said:

just....make it so it pause the effect when taken off, is not something ground breaking

 

4 hours ago, astareus said:

it's common sense. But jason wants the character to be balanced. You might need a trip to thailand and train muay thai for 10 years to figure that out.

Common sense would be to make it keep running the time of the effect inside the inventory. Pausing it makes no sense, you use the elixir and you decide how much you take advantage of the effect

Is funny how you, astareus, atack the devs when you ideas are so bad 

[Edible Coal]

2 hours ago, WilsonHiggs said:

 

Common sense would be to make it keep running the time of the effect inside the inventory. Pausing it makes no sense, you use the elixir and you decide how much you take advantage of the effect

Is funny how you, astareus, atack the devs when you ideas are so bad 

even that is fine then the current one

[Nikki Darks]

3 hours ago, WilsonHiggs said:

 

Common sense would be to make it keep running the time of the effect inside the inventory. Pausing it makes no sense, you use the elixir and you decide how much you take advantage of the effect

Is funny how you, astareus, atack the devs when you ideas are so bad 

Am I misunderstanding or do you mean that the effect should keep running if the garland is in your inventory?

[WilsonHiggs]

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

Am I misunderstanding or do you mean that the effect should keep running if the garland is in your inventory?

Exactly