Klei, take a look at the comments on your Bilibili official account

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Sometimes I really wonder if KLei has some users who are like family members to them. How to put it? These users think they are maintaining order, but in reality, they might be the ones KLei looks down upon the most—or perhaps likes the most. Because when KLei's interests are threatened, these users will voluntarily sacrifice their own interests and even attack other players from a standpoint opposite to their own as gamers, just to protect KLei's interests, even if all of this is self-inflicted by KLei.

Klei inflicted a wound that made people let go of their basic human decency? Like noones saying people can't dislike how the skill tree turned out but you can't seriously think what's posted is okay can you?

[Mr. Furman]

32 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

I really don't want to put it this way, but what actions the authorities should take, how to define the nature of the article, whether it will be a real loss, and which kind of evaluation is wrong— all these are just matters for KLei to consider. If the authorities think all these are wrong, then everyone who disagrees will leave. Whether this is what the authorities want to see can only be considered by them themselves.

So you guys are trying to let klei know they are in the wrong or something? By saying "I'm jason's family, I'm dead"???

You guys really have a peculiar way to deliver criticism, and by peculiar I mean APPALLING AND UNJUSTIFIABLY RUDE.

 

Is this gonna be the last time you guys play this game? The last update you guys are gonna experience? 

[Owlrust]

Holy page-scroll Batman

[Yaorin yon]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Furman said:

So you guys are trying to let klei know they are in the wrong or something? By saying "I'm jason's family, I'm dead"???

You guys really have a peculiar way to deliver criticism, and by peculiar I mean APPALLING AND UNJUSTIFIABLY RUDE.

 

Is this gonna be the last time you guys play this game? The last update you guys are gonna experience? 

Indifference begets greater indifference, and arrogance begets greater arrogance. I don’t like such a confrontational approach, but if you only criticize the surface of these comments, then the result is just what you see. If you can’t distinguish between the positions of the developers and the users, then the order you demand will lose its meaning.  

 

The people there are also never stingy with their praise, far beyond your understanding of words. What has led to the current situation, and what you should judge—I hope you have your own thinking.

27 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'ma be real I got no sympathy for people like this I really really want to believe this is a twitter like site where mostly terrible people gather to do terrible things but man knowing there's even a possibility that this is how the majority of Chinese players act would be depressing...

The most disgusting thing is this kind of feigned respect of yours. When a huge number of players think something is not good and won't do, the developers turn a blind eye to them and stubbornly do whatever they want. They even go so far as to let people like you insult the players as "Brigading" And yet, you still think the developers respect them? Players don't owe the developers anything. If you want to beg on your knees, no one is stopping you.

[Captain_Rage]

1 hour ago, Natsuki Bamboo said:

 

  There has been a persistent notion in the forums that "dissatisfaction with Wendy is only from a small group of Chinese players who visit the forums, and the majority of Chinese players are actually satisfied." Now, do these comments from Chinese players on the Bilibili official account represent the "majority"?

  Ignoring and evading are not solutions to problems. What's coming next in the official release will be the players' anger, a flood of negative reviews, and a boycott of skin purchases.

 

How do you expect any company to physically reply to a vocal minority which keeps flooding the same channel with some twisted nonsense about a minor made-up problem they have? The spam posts are pouring in by the minute even on this forum. It is not even physically possible or desirable to keep up with this sort of "critique", especially if the main concern is the development of updates for the game.

[Debruh]

Like, I don't particularly like the skill tree. Not that it's bad, just not that interesting. My ideal skill tree doesn't line up with what the devs are trying to do. And that's true for a lot of people, and they should just accept that. It's okay.

Not to mention a lot of the bigger problems with the skill tree come from the feedback tbh.

Do I think the response to feedback from the devs was bad at times? Well I can think of two examples.

Spoiler

1)Cursed Vex should have got its damage nerfed, and got some planar damage, but not to the point where the lunar side can outdo its damage at times. I also think the synergy with the thul club and enlightened crown is kinda stupid. Shadow tentacles require slow enemies, something walter can achieve but not really Wendy. And they make the crown harder to use too lol. Also shadow Abby damage thing and not just full on removing her increases planar defense. 2) Gestalt Abby losing her dash's aoe damage should have come with making her much more accessible. Like 24/7 availability. Making her more aloof while making her always available for new players, thus catering to them fully. As well as bringing her damage to lower than shadow's thing.

But aside from that, maybe like one or two examples, I think the devs did generally do what players asked for. And from the ton of changes to this tree, very very few bad responses is very impressive. Especially since the beta started to stretch for too long, they were probably tired.

Insults, and even threats aren't the way to go, and are disgusting. As many other users pointed out, they won't get results, but even if they did, that doesn't make them good.

Doesn't matter if the skill tree was beyond horrible (it isn't, it's pretty good). Or if you think the devs don't respond to nice feedback (they do, the number 1 feedback they have shown response to). Nothing justifies this kind of response.

[YouKnowWho142]

This is awful, all you did was prove exactly why there's so much tension with the Chinese community to begin with. What makes you think any of this is okay or even proves your point? Why should we listen to people who are only going to threaten people if they don't get what they want? That's ungrateful and extremely disrespectful. And over a video game??? Seriously???

the entitlement is absurd and embarrassing

[SilverSpoon]

7 minutes ago, Debruh said:

Nothing justifies this kind of response.

Sadly, there is one, that is the responses of forum residents to "Wendy Player" and "Chinese" to date. There is no difference between what they are doing and what we are doing.

[Yaorin yon]

Instead of wagging fingers at the Chinese community, it would be better to look into the reasons behind these occurrences. When those who offer constructive suggestions are ignored by KLei and ridiculed by self-righteous individuals, the only response that comes back is even greater aggression. Pathetic? Deserved.

[SilverSpoon]

Just now, Yaorin yon said:

Instead of wagging fingers at the Chinese community, it would be better to look into the reasons behind these occurrences. When those who offer constructive suggestions are ignored by KLei and ridiculed by self-righteous individuals, the only response that comes back is even greater aggression. Pathetic? Deserved.

I don't think the Klei are bad. They're doing the right thing.

The volunteer inquisitors of Klei are making things worse by needlessly stoking their hatred.

[YouKnowWho142]

1 minute ago, Yaorin yon said:

Instead of wagging fingers at the Chinese community, it would be better to look into the reasons behind these occurrences. When those who offer constructive suggestions are ignored by KLei and ridiculed by self-righteous individuals, the only response that comes back is even greater aggression. Pathetic? Deserved.

why do you insist on defending this? it's not excusable under any circumstance to wish death on someone who literally just makes videogames for people. You're allowed to think that Klei isn't listening enough to the Chinese players without the death threats, any sympathy for the Chinese community is dissipating after all this bad behavior

[Another membe]

2 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Instead of wagging fingers at the Chinese community, it would be better to look into the reasons behind these occurrences. When those who offer constructive suggestions are ignored by KLei and ridiculed by self-righteous individuals, the only response that comes back is even greater aggression. Pathetic? Deserved.

When those who offer "constructive" suggestions start to insult and actively harass people for absurd and unjustified reasons, they should not be listened to. 

[Crimson Hollow]

You know whats funny here? Pointless toxic threads like this gets flooding reactions while actual suggestions and improvement threads were left behind. Wortox had been left in the dust with only A HANDFUL of players giving suggestions and Wendy have not yet received any improvements either because everyone's attention is here. Who do you think it is even helping?

[flamboyant wolf]

4 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Instead of wagging fingers at the Chinese community, it would be better to look into the reasons behind these occurrences. 

"Reasons" do not justify such behaviour, it is frankly ignorant to try and brush it off as if it's somehow a normal reaction.

[Catuna_]

W.A.R.B.I.S, deploy a brightshade bomb on this thread.

[Leozin1614]

Absolutely pathetic, you should delete the post if that's possible

[Yaorin yon]

8 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

why do you insist on defending this? it's not excusable under any circumstance to wish death on someone who literally just makes videogames for people. You're allowed to think that Klei isn't listening enough to the Chinese players without the death threats, any sympathy for the Chinese community is dissipating after all this bad behavior

Sympathy? Why do you feel the need to sympathize? What stance are you even taking to say such a thing? The interests of every player are the same. You don't need to sympathize with anyone, unless you've already decided from the start that their efforts and contributions are meaningless. I don't want to get into the intricacies of language issues. The praise in the Chinese community is far more extravagant than you can possibly imagine. What you should really think about is why KLei hasn't received that praise. If you don't understand this, you shouldn't be so quick to judge them.

[Jakepeng99]

This thread is a lot of self reporting.

[GamePlayer42]

whats the goal with this thread? this achieves nothing and just perpetuates more discourse

[Roodmas]

I think a lot of people who don't just ask for, but outright DEMAND changes forget that this is a forum for suggestions and feedback. You can say your opinion here, it will be heard, but they don't have to put everything we ask for in the game.

You might also want to consider that Klei might see the bigger picture with these updates. Even though the ocean content started out extremely weak (and even that was intended) it really came together over the years.

There is a lively modding community in this game, and it's even supported by Klei itself. If you don't like something about the game, you're welcome to change it. Make a new mod with the skill tree you'd like to see in the game.

And yeah, insults are not the way to go. The notion that you have to be radical in order to be heard is faulty and won't get you the result you want. Klei is a game developer company, not a government.

[Bumber64]

11 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Sympathy? Why do you feel the need to sympathize? What stance are you even taking to say such a thing? The interests of every player are the same. You don't need to sympathize with anyone, unless you've already decided from the start that their efforts and contributions are meaningless.

People could agree to disagree on balancing decisions. They aren't all going to agree on what Wendy should be.

When it gets to the point where it isn't believed you're arguing in good faith, there's no point in even taking the complaints seriously.

[Debruh]

1 minute ago, Roodmas said:

Klei is a game developer company, not a government

If only people were this mad at actual governments.

17 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

it's not excusable under any circumstance to wish death on someone who literally just makes videogames for people

Some stupid posts midway in the beta were like

'People's mental health depends on Wendy being strong!!!' Seems like the notion hasn't left. People are acting like their lives depend on it

[Jakepeng99]

24 minutes ago, Debruh said:

If only people were this mad at actual governments.

People care more about Wendy skill tree than global warming or health crisis.

[Radicaljoe]

I could understand backlash if the tree nerfed Wendy like the catapult changes being a base nerf for everyone else. But base Wendy wasn't really altered in a negative way other than maybe the new flower control wheel 

Like, the tree does make Wendy powerful, it's just she's already pretty good so there wasn't much to improve upon. 

But I don't understand the severe anger that the tree is causing. Like I said it doesn't negatively impact Wendy so I don't get why people are so upset about it to the point of insulting and harassing the developers.

[_mylilsunshine_]

3 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said:

I could understand backlash if the tree nerfed Wendy like the catapult changes being a base nerf for everyone else. But base Wendy wasn't really altered in a negative way other than maybe the new flower control wheel 

Like, the tree does make Wendy powerful, it's just she's already pretty good so there wasn't much to improve upon. 

But I don't understand the severe anger that the tree is causing. Like I said it doesn't negatively impact Wendy so I don't get why people are so upset about it to the point of insulting and harassing the developers.

i feel like people got a glimpse of just how powerful wendy could be, and when that was taken away from them through nerfs, changes, etc. they feel like they've been robbed of something that they deserve, or entitled to, even though it was never theirs in the first place.