the storytelling by Walter in solo & the portable tent sanity recover visual effect is wrong in the game. This thread was based on wrong info and I already report the bug in bug tracker.

[Steorra]

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I just found that it's almost free to recover your sanity in caves by using the protable campfire for spamming stories telling, and it even has almost double effectiveness than his own portable tent - and fuel of campfire would never rot like foods. Now the campfire storytelling being a better way for sanity management in early game than Walter's portable tent. I think this is unreasonable.

Should Walter have no sanity recovering when no teammate nearby? Or should the portable tent of Walter need buff?

 

[Gashzer]

Tbh this is weaker than simply using his camper tent. So no Walter player in their right mind should be doing this unless playing with others.

100% balanced... like everything else of Walter's kit you have been complaining about recently...

[mykenception]

woby is there to tell a story to

plus, walter is partially insane, so yeah there's no reason this shouldn't work. And this has been working ever since Walter was introduced, idk why it should be an issue right now, like the rest of all your issues with Walter recently 

[kikia]

Actually, it's not a big deal and can be considered a character perk. But when I try to imagine the scene: a figure telling horror stories in a cave, surrounded by complete darkness, and yet his sanity is actually increasing... Meanwhile, I, sitting in front of the screen, start losing my sanity instead.

[Yaorin yon]

16 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Tbh this is weaker than simply using his camper tent. 

100% balanced... like everything else of Walter's kit you have been complaining about recently...

This sounds like something that needs to be nerfed, haha, just kidding.

 

After all, similar "to be honest" parts have also appeared in discussions about other characters, but some people think it's right to nerf those parts that "anyone in their right mind would use" based on this reason. So, what can you say? If the former insists on their "correct" viewpoint, then the current content is meaningful because the two are completely consistent. The opposite is also true.

[Steorra]

23 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Tbh this is weaker than simply using his camper tent.

not true. The campfire story telling brings much effective sanity recovering for Walter in solo than his own protable tent. You could test it yourself in game. That's why I decide to post this thread.

The fuels for campfire would not rot, the foods for tent will. And the campfire story telling do have more efficiency to recover Walter's sanity than the portable tent. It's extremely good in early ruin rushing ngl.

7 minutes ago, mykenception said:

woby is there to tell a story to

reasonable. But the storytelling being too powerful once Walter has the portable campfire. So I think it need to be recheck.

7 minutes ago, mykenception said:

plus, walter is partially insane, so yeah there's no reason this shouldn't work. And this has been working ever since Walter was introduced, idk why it should be an issue right now, like the rest of all your issues with Walter recently 

I already gave much detailed explanation in other topic. I have no interest to brings other topic here for off topic discussion, sorry.

6 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

This sounds like something that needs to be nerfed, haha, just kidding.

 

After all, similar "to be honest" parts have also appeared in discussions about other characters, but some people think it's right to nerf those parts that "anyone in their right mind would use" based on this reason. So, what can you say? If the former insists on their "correct" viewpoint, then the current content is meaningful because the two are completely consistent. The opposite is also true.

I have to say I do think the storytelling + portable campfire combo need to be adjust. The most weird thing is that "to bring a campfire for ruin rushing sanity management" is much more better than "to bring a portable tent for ruin rushing sanity management". Yes I knew the tent could recovering health as well. But for the health part we already have the butterfly skills which would never rot, and as a Walter you won't want to get hits to much (which means his health bar would not be a huge problem when you decide to rush the ruin by using Walter in early game - you must have the skill for preventing mostly health losing. Walter's tent already being completely meaningless for early game according to all these reasons.

 

Or, no nerf, but buff the tent for Walter. I accept the opinion that which say "It's just a daily game for Walter and Woby so his sanity would be recovered"

[Gashzer]

4 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

This sounds like something that needs to be nerfed, haha, just kidding.

 

After all, similar "to be honest" parts have also appeared in discussions about other characters, but some people think it's right to nerf those parts that "anyone in their right mind would use" based on this reason. So, what can you say? If the former insists on their "correct" viewpoint, then the current content is meaningful because the two are completely consistent. The opposite is also true.

 

3 minutes ago, Steorra said:

not true. The campfire story telling brings much effective sanity recovering for Walter in solo than his own protable tent. You could test it yourself in game. That's why I decide to post this thread.

The fuels for campfire would not rot, the foods for tent will. And the campfire story telling do have more efficiency to recover Walter's sanity than the portable tent. It's extremely good in early ruin rushing ngl.

Ok kids let me prove it to you then.

I want to recover 120 sanity as Walter.

Camper Tent method maths:

• Tent recovers 1 sanity per sec and drains 0.5 hunger per second
• Takes 2 mins in tent to recover 120 sanity so total hunger cost is 9.375 + 9.375 + 60 = 78.75 hunger.

Portable campfire story method maths:

• Sleepy-time stories recovers 0.417 sanity per sec requiring 4.8 minutes to gain 120 sanity. Total hunger cost is 9.375 + 9.375 + 9.375 + 9.375 + 7.5 = 45 hunger.

For an extra measly 33.75 hunger, the camper tent restores sanity 2.4x times faster than sleepy-time stories, heals 240hp, drys walter off if he's wet, protects him from nightmare creatures/mobs.

I say this again... why on earth would a solo walter ever use sleepy time stories over his own camper tent? With rope crafter skill the camper tent is cheaper now too.

Remember kids don't drop out of school, Pythagoras theorem is important in daily life!

[Civecilim]

The tent heals you which is *not* completely worthless

2 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

For an extra measly 33.75 hunger, the camper tent restores sanity 2.4x times faster than sleepy-time stories, heals 240hp, drys walter off if he's wet, protects him from nightmare creatures/mobs.

(This is not relevant in the caves but) you can also sleep during the evening whereas you can only tell stories during the night

[Chewabacca]

This is so funny.

So aside from Gashzer being completely right, the main strength of the portable tent is not the sanity regen, though that is of course nice. Mostly you use it as emergency healing, since once Walter's HP gets to full again, his sanity once again becomes static. Even if it's still low, it should be enough to get to the end of the next day assuming you're careful and don't take risks, and then you can exploit Walter's other sanity-raising measures. Campfire storytelling becoming stronger with a skill does not make the tent obsolete.

Also, just in general: I believe you and a number of other Wendy players have complained about the devs supposedly not knowing Wendy well enough to have good ideas for her. With all due respect, have you considered that the same applies to you on Walter? Not knowing something as basic about Walter as the fact that he can tell his stories in the caves at any time is wild. This is like if I acted shocked about Abigail always dealing nighttime damage in the caves and still thought I was qualified to give feedback about Wendy.

50 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Tbh this is weaker than simply using his camper tent. So no Walter player in their right mind should be doing this unless playing with others.

100% balanced... like everything else of Walter's kit you have been complaining about recently...

I gotta save some of this for the next time I get told that Walter is a useless piece of trash who goes insane in a stiff breeze, man. Who needs Walter mains to hype up our boy when we have these people?

[Reiko24]

23 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

 

Ok kids let me prove it to you then.

I want to recover 120 sanity as Walter.

Camper Tent method maths:

• Tent recovers 1 sanity per sec and drains 0.5 hunger per second
• Takes 2 mins in tent to recover 120 sanity so total hunger cost is 9.375 + 9.375 + 60 = 78.75 hunger.

Portable campfire story method maths:

• Sleepy-time stories recovers 0.417 sanity per sec requiring 4.8 minutes to gain 120 sanity. Total hunger cost is 9.375 + 9.375 + 9.375 + 9.375 + 7.5 = 45 hunger.

For an extra measly 33.75 hunger, the camper tent restores sanity 2.4x times faster than sleepy-time stories, heals 240hp, drys walter off if he's wet, protects him from nightmare creatures/mobs.

I say this again... why on earth would a solo walter ever use sleepy time stories over his own camper tent? With rope crafter skill the camper tent is cheaper now too.

Remember kids don't drop out of school, Pythagoras theorem is important in daily life!

This 100000x, like, how are the stories better in their mind at restoring sanity? It’s actually ridiculous.
The same as their behavior of spamming Walter nerf posts because he got more attention than Wendy did. „If I didn’t get what I want, then no one can!”

 

[Giovirtual79]

18 minutes ago, Civecilim said:

The tent heals you which is *not* completely worthless

(This is not relevant in the caves but) you can also sleep during the evening whereas you can only tell stories during the night

We can also just look at one simple thing about these two items that can be a dealbreaker for some:

The Tent Roll doesn't require insight points to get. The Portable Campfire does.
Everyone can pick up, place down, recollect, and use a tent roll that a Walter crafts. Only Walters who has the skill can use the Portable Campfire. 

Even if you think the hunger drain is too much, it's not, Walter has easy access to Jerky now thanks to his drying rack skill. If anything, I don't like the Portable Campfire skill because of how limiting it can feel.

[Civecilim]

Just now, Giovirtual79 said:

I don't like the Portable Campfire skill because of how limiting it can feel.

I think of the campfire like a bootleg willow lighter that you can use to cook stuff and warm yourself slightly

[Yaorin yon]

37 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

 

Ok kids let me prove it to you then.

I want to recover 120 sanity as Walter.

Camper Tent method maths:

• Tent recovers 1 sanity per sec and drains 0.5 hunger per second
• Takes 2 mins in tent to recover 120 sanity so total hunger cost is 9.375 + 9.375 + 60 = 78.75 hunger.

Portable campfire story method maths:

• Sleepy-time stories recovers 0.417 sanity per sec requiring 4.8 minutes to gain 120 sanity. Total hunger cost is 9.375 + 9.375 + 9.375 + 9.375 + 7.5 = 45 hunger.

For an extra measly 33.75 hunger, the camper tent restores sanity 2.4x times faster than sleepy-time stories, heals 240hp, drys walter off if he's wet, protects him from nightmare creatures/mobs.

I say this again... why on earth would a solo walter ever use sleepy time stories over his own camper tent? With rope crafter skill the camper tent is cheaper now too.

Remember kids don't drop out of school, Pythagoras theorem is important in daily life!

I didn't quite see the connection between that content and what I said. But if you're trying to argue that my joke(Nerfing the tent part) should be implemented, I don't object.

 

I hope you haven't neglected your language comprehension classes, compliments of the school.

[Steorra]

47 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

 

Ok kids let me prove it to you then.

I want to recover 120 sanity as Walter.

Camper Tent method maths:

• Tent recovers 1 sanity per sec and drains 0.5 hunger per second
• Takes 2 mins in tent to recover 120 sanity so total hunger cost is 9.375 + 9.375 + 60 = 78.75 hunger.

Portable campfire story method maths:

• Sleepy-time stories recovers 0.417 sanity per sec requiring 4.8 minutes to gain 120 sanity. Total hunger cost is 9.375 + 9.375 + 9.375 + 9.375 + 7.5 = 45 hunger.

For an extra measly 33.75 hunger, the camper tent restores sanity 2.4x times faster than sleepy-time stories, heals 240hp, drys walter off if he's wet, protects him from nightmare creatures/mobs.

I say this again... why on earth would a solo walter ever use sleepy time stories over his own camper tent? With rope crafter skill the camper tent is cheaper now too.

Remember kids don't drop out of school, Pythagoras theorem is important in daily life!

Classical insulting by calling someone's as a kid. 

 

[YouKnowWho142]

these kinds of posts are starting to get a little ridiculous and not really contributing to any real discussion. Storytelling and tents are not comparable at all.

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

Classical insulting by calling someone's as a kid. 

 

Aye just skip over the parts were i proved you wrong. 

Steorra you are talking to hard-core Walter mains here, you will never win an arguement against us if its about our boi.

[Steorra]

the upper arrow here is completely different between tent recovering and the campfire recovering.

your data might be right since I recheck the effect of these two method and it seems the arrow is a wrong info.

But I do have no idea what makes a personally attack being allowed in this forum by mocking others misunderstood by wrong info of the game itself.

1 minute ago, Gashzer said:

 hard-core Walter mains here,

oh. hard-core for personal attack or for breaking the guideline of the forum? o7

[YouKnowWho142]

3 minutes ago, Steorra said:

your data might be right since I recheck the effect of these two method and it seems the arrow is a wrong info.

arrow isn't accurate while sleeping, it's a lot higher than it looks

i feel like it only takes one search to understand this, unless you never used a tent?

[Steorra]

2 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

these kinds of posts are starting to get a little ridiculous and not really contributing to any real discussion. Storytelling and tents are not comparable at all.

 

1 minute ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

arrow isn't accurate while sleeping, it's a lot higher than it looks

yes. I just found this. I guess this thread is still have its meaning since it revealed a bug which caused wrong info in game. I reported this thread for wrong info for waiting modetators comes and close it. And I prepare to give a bug-report to this issue later.

[YouKnowWho142]

Just now, Steorra said:

 

yes. I just found this. I guess this thread is still have its meaning since it revealed a bug which caused wrong info in game. I reported this thread for wrong info for waiting modetators comes and close it. And I prepare to give a bug-report to this issue later.

it's been like that for basically the entire lifespan of the game though, I feel like after a decade it isnt really a bug just bad visual info

[Gashzer]

Just now, Steorra said:

the upper arrow here is completely different between tent recovering and the campfire recovering.

your data might be right since I recheck the effect of these two method and it seems the arrow is a wrong info.

Tent recovery arrow is the stronger effect. Don't trust mods, watch the sanity number instead.

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

But I do have no idea what makes a personally attack being allowed in this forum by mocking others misunderstood by wrong info of the game itself.

oh. hard-core for personal attack? sounds funny.

Klei are not stupid Steorra they can see you post topic after topic asking for Walter nerfs. The feedback you are providing is full of negative bias and isn't based on or reflecting real walter gameplay.

[YouKnowWho142]

if you were going to compare the tent with the campfire why wouldn't you also research the sanity gain rate on the tent? you seemed quick to call it out for the campfire and even noted it on the screenshots above, but you didn't do the same with the tent. That doesn't seem like a fair or accurate way to research something.

[Steorra]

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Tent recovery arrow is the stronger effect. Don't trust mods, watch the sanity number instead.

The arrow is not an effect of the mod. It's an effect of the DST itself.

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Klei are not stupid

Yes, I believe this. So I guess any argument about your personally attack and slanders are meaningless. I need not to prove anything off topic to you.

Selectively ignoring my buff ideas but keep slandering my post as "bad faith" only makes your words lost its' credibility. It's more like you just feel angry about that "How dare you to talk about the balance topic to my favorite character? You have no right to do this!".

5 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

if you were going to compare the tent with the campfire why wouldn't you also research the sanity gain rate on the tent? you seemed quick to call it out for the campfire and even noted it on the screenshots above, but you didn't do the same with the tent. That doesn't seem like a fair or accurate way to research something.

tbh I did. But I just misleaded by the bug of the arrow.

You could think as this "If Steorra have never did the test, how could she see the little arrow of the tent recovering?"

[Catuna_]

1 hour ago, Steorra said:

I just found that it's almost free to recover your sanity in caves by using the protable campfire for spamming stories telling, and it even has almost double effectiveness than his own portable tent -

1) no its not 

2) in the time that it takes to watch paint dry to regenerate sanity you could like.... go get sanity food... anyone can...

[Steorra]

2 minutes ago, Catuna_ said:

1) no its not 

I'm sorry for my wrong info which caused by the visual bug in the game. yes you are right. the sanity recovering effect of campfire is lower than portable tent. 

again, I'm sorry.