[Poll] On Wendy's Current Skilltree, Premortem, v5

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[WenericMember]

Could use a few buffs to mg branch, but ultimately in a healthy state with more detail than every other tree combined. 

 

[Cassielu]

The change in art is really great. But it doesn't change anything in gameplay that I care most.

So I guess the poll won't change too much unless all the controversy was just her fangirl for appearance.

[Debruh]

2 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Could use a few buffs to mg branch, but ultimately in a healthy state with more detail than every other tree combined. 

 

I think Gestalt Abby's AI could use some tweaking. With a nerf to the whole planar defense thing from shadow Abby but over all, pretty nice.

[DVGMedia]

The fact they still went with playertag on sisturn 3 is still the sad part for me.
The fact they went with nerfing healing while its active is still mind boggling.

They really want to go with thematic stuff instead of stuff that is practical.

[Dingle]

Vex is still completely crazy OP.

[Debruh]

8 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Vex is still completely crazy OP.

And not that good post rift

[Dingle]

Just now, Debruh said:

And not that good post rift

It's still 10% more damage or so, extra. Not bad for being able to use it on top of another elixir.

[Koomin]

I think it is more in-line now besides:

Ghastly experience: should just level Abigail up and keep her HP value the same (not percent).  It is really confusing why this has not been changed yet since almost everyone seems to agree on it.

Shadow 2:  vex damage multiplier still makes no sense for a potion meant for rift stuff.  It should realistically give a smaller amount of damage, but planar.  It currently is way too strong against non planar things, and not very useful against planar things.  It is covered pretty well with this post: 

 

[DVGMedia]

the main reason i say this is because of other posts on the game.
Where people will actively want to keep the new unique abby idle animation.
Howver to have that animation active the player needs to have sisturn 3 active.
Meaning That the player will be playing with a nerfed abby just so they could see a cosmetic change.
This should not be a thing the player has to deal with.

[Peasant]

Some of the changes met my expectations, like shadowbigail's damage changed into planar and longer attack range for moonbigail, others I don't quite understand, like the nerf to healings for player tag abigail, arts are good, doing little effect to actual gameplay though, so I guess the result generally would still be the same?

[DegenerateFurry]

I still want them to make the butterfly revival skill also let you do it with moon moths.

[Debruh]

15 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

the main reason i say this is because of other posts on the game.
Where people will actively want to keep the new unique abby idle animation.
Howver to have that animation active the player needs to have sisturn 3 active.
Meaning That the player will be playing with a nerfed abby just so they could see a cosmetic change.
This should not be a thing the player has to deal with.

Still kinda sad that the cosmetic change is tied to a skill at all, rather than if you have max insight or something 

[Koomin]

45 minutes ago, Koomin said:

I think it is more in-line now besides:

Ghastly experience: should just level Abigail up and keep her HP value the same (not percent).  It is really confusing why this has not been changed yet since almost everyone seems to agree on it.

Shadow 2:  vex damage multiplier still makes no sense for a potion meant for rift stuff.  It should realistically give a smaller amount of damage, but planar.  It currently is way too strong against non planar things, and not very useful against planar things.  It is covered pretty well with this post: 

 

Oh yea 30 planar defense Shadow Abigail with more than players is also bad.  The damage version should not also be the tank version.

[WenericMember]

5 minutes ago, Koomin said:

Oh yea 30 planar defense Shadow Abigail with more than players is also bad.  The damage version should not also be the tank version.

With how they've been balancing it, I think Klei sees it as Abigail+. She retains the same mechanics as base abigail, with higher stats. Meanwhile lunar Abigail isn't that much statistically stronger, but has completely different mechanics attatched to it.

[Steorra]

57 minutes ago, Koomin said:

It is really confusing why this has not been changed yet since almost everyone seems to agree on it.

No.

I only agree with to delete it, for as a cost of other buffing changes.

This elixir is inconvenient for casual and imbalance for veteran, I have no idea why to keep it. For just another reason to nerf other things?

12 minutes ago, Koomin said:

Oh yea 30 planar defense Shadow Abigail with more than players is also bad.  The damage version should not also be the tank version.

Yes even Sisturn III would been completely remove in future, it's still in a weird stage for Shadow Abi. 

It seems Klei doesn't agree with that to make Shadow Abi become Glass Cannon, but just an average buffed version of Normal Abi.

[WenericMember]

6 minutes ago, Steorra said:

No.

I only agree with to delete it, for as a cost of other buffing changes.

This elixir is inconvenient for casual and imbalance for veteran, I have no idea why to keep it. For just another reason to nerf other things?

Eh, the skill needs nerfs but is ultimately a healthy skill IMO.

It allows players to not have to abandon a boss fight If Abigail drops to 0 hp. Before her skill tree, there was 0 way to avoid Wendy's 0.75 damage mod if Abigail ever died against a boss. Now Abigail can be restored, but you have to play defensively for a while. The issue is it maintains hp % not # when leveling up Abby, so Abigail is back to fighting form in 5 seconds, rather than 30.

 

[Steorra]

What doesn't happened:

Cursed Vex has been ignored.

Main voices of Blessed Sisturn III has been ignored. (To change it as extra HP or extra level for both buffing and nerfing adjustments)

Broken Performance of Lunar Abi has been ignored.

More interaction of Pipspooks has been ignored.

Wraith Wreath has been ignored.

Convenience of Shadow Abi has been ignored.

Team Spirit improvement has been ignored.

Dark Petals effect of Sisturn has been ignored. (The current one is only a filler.)

 

What happened in unexpected way:

Extremely strange nerfing for Sisturn III like what happened to Lunar Abi.

 

Well.

9 hours ago, WenericMember said:

a healthy skill

A healthy skill need to be welcomed but not only "balance". 

Already told many times that the current elixir is unwelcome for both side of players. And you can't say that only one side voices is valid.

Combine with the current stage of Sisturn III, I guess there would be more Casual would prefer to buff Sisturn III by a cost of Ghastly Elixir removing.

[Koomin]

22 minutes ago, Steorra said:

No.

I only agree with to delete it, for as a cost of other buffing changes.

This elixir is inconvenient for casual and imbalance for veteran, I have no idea why to keep it. For just another reason to nerf other things?

Yes even Sisturn III would been completely remove in future, it's still in a weird stage for Shadow Abi. 

It seems Klei doesn't agree with that to make Shadow Abi become Glass Cannon, but just an average buffed version of Normal Abi.

Yea sure deleting and replacing ghastly experience is also fine, I just doubt they would do that at this point. 

And I agree they seem to not want glass cannon Shadow Abigail, which is fine.  The 30 planar defense unfortunately makes tank Abigail instead, which is not fine.  You can check out the playthrough thread where the best strategy against the ink blight trio is to not participate in the fight as Wendy and watch and let Abigail just kill everything.  It's a good example of the bad gameplay it currently produces.  It's just very weird and unnecessary to give more planar defense than a player even has.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Koomin said:

 You can check out the playthrough thread where the best strategy against the ink blight trio is to not participate in the fight as Wendy and watch and let Abigail just kill everything.  It's a good example of the bad gameplay it currently produces.

Already took the discussion about this topic before.

The weremoose have a far more easier way to deal with ink blights, I don't think to let Shadow Abi has similar effect to them is something need to take care of. Since the ink blights were designed as weak hordes but not traditional strong bosses.

 

And Wendy still have extremely inconvenient effectiveness to against deadly brightshades. If you consider that the deadly brightshades is far more frequently haapened than ink blights without specific dealings.

 

[Koomin]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Already took the discussion about this topic before.

The weremoose have a far more easier way to deal with ink blights, I don't think to let Shadow Abi has similar effect to them is something need to take care of. Since the ink blights were designed as weak hordes but not traditional strong bosses.

 

And Wendy still have extremely inconvenient effectiveness to against deadly brightshades. If you consider that the deadly brightshades is far more frequently haapened than ink blights without specific dealings.

 

It was just an example of why having the damage form be really tanky results in worse gameplay.  Obviously agree that the ink blights are not a constant threat or the pinnacle of balancing needs, but I think the general idea is still valid.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Koomin said:

It was just an example of why having the damage form be really tanky results in worse gameplay.  Obviously agree that the ink blights are not a constant threat or the pinnacle of balancing needs, but I think the general idea is still valid.

I agree with that 30 planar defence is strange for Shadow Abi for me personally. It should be more things focused on attacking but not defending. The planar defence helps nothing to true threatening but being weird for.. balance or other aspects.

[Echsrick]

cant wait for this poll to be used in arguments wich in the end means nothing, i think its good as is kind of...like please let work be done on SOMETHING else

[GetNerfedOn]

11 hours ago, Echsrick said:

cant wait for this poll to be used in arguments wich in the end means nothing, i think its good as is kind of...like please let work be done on SOMETHING else

before that happens can we at least admire the biblically accurate spoiler dropdown? i don't know how i did it but it happened and its staying

[Echsrick]

25 minutes ago, GetNerfedOn said:

before that happens can we at least admire the biblically accurate spoiler dropdown? i don't know how i did it but it happened and its staying

the what?