Please consider fixing/upgrading/reworking Wilson's skill tree.

[kikia]

On 1/14/2025 at 7:56 AM, Anis5240 said:

I suppose the regret I had was not coming to this forum when his skill tree was in beta...  just look at the difference between Wendy players and Wilson players. The former had been very vocal on voicing their thoughts about what would suit Wendy.

Meanwhile, Wilson players 'work' on the basis "It's good enough." And back then, it really was 'good enough', because everyone thought it would be the end of character updates. The original DS Wilson was still in the game, but now you can customize him via skill points. That was different compared to other characters. Everyone else had their kits changed in DST via their reworks.

The first thing I ever said in this forum was whether Wilson could have a beard shield, and while not many engaged with the post, they still made fun of it, saying 'it's not befitting his playstyle'. What sort of playstyle did he even have? He only had his beard that acts both as an upside and a downside.

People had thought after Wilson's 'update', it meant Klei could finally focus on the lore contents and such.

Well look how badly that backfired onto us.

People on Klei's Discord server practically agreed on how horrible the whole torch tree was, and suggested that it should at least extend to other light sources. And of course I agreed with them. It's not like he's JUST depicted with a torch - he used other items too - just that the torch is the most 'common' thing.

Again, the real problem was how much Klei extended those filler perks. No one ever wants a 3-tier branch that just focused on ONE SINGLE PERK. And yet Klei did it anyway, even present in others' skill trees to such extremes (especially Wolfgang).

I may hate on the torch toss, but I still could acknowledge some who do like it, so I retained such thing in my skill tree concept. Such small perk shouldn't even take that much points to get to in the first place.

 

Preach.

I stand with you - it's completely reasonable for everyone to want their favorite characters to become more engaging. However, it's saddening and perplexing that some people are actively trying to prevent this. I've heard many arguments like "Wilson should remain a blank slate", but why? To those who think this way, I just want to say: You can simply choose not to engage with the skill tree. The existence of options shouldn't limit others' ability to enjoy deeper customization.

[Anis5240]

33 minutes ago, kikia said:

I stand with you - it's completely reasonable for everyone to want their favorite characters to become more engaging.

Considering how little lore we got, it's more than reasonable to see at least some of them remaining connected via gameplay-wise. Back then, Wigfrid's "The Performance Artist" title was just in the name. Now? She actually had perks relating to her old career while also staying as the Valkyrie warrior she loved.

It's just... I don't even know what to think, man. I might as well be delusional right now, haha.

[Anis5240]

Side note for torch toss: I find it rather stupid that you still gotta hold the torch to throw it. Also the distance to throw the torch is well, rather too short. Like really, only 8 wall tiles?

I may talk smack about the abandoned Pocket Edition port often but the one thing it did rather well was that you can ignite things WITHOUT the torch ever leaving the inventory slot. You can long-press the torch while near an item and then boom, it lights up. And of course, no wasted torch durability via holding to burn said item.

Please, please, please do consider to improve Wilson's skill tree, Klei. Don't you ever feel sad to know that your supposed mascot got ridiculed by practically everyone else? Being mocked for being 'dumb' and 'a bad scientist' despite the various creations he had made?

[MarcoReverie]

I really like playing Wilson because of the character's lore, but every time I play and see the other characters with their new skills I feel very behind. That's why I put so much detail into conceptualizing a new skill tree. And I'm happy to find other people with that same spirit. But we are few, or maybe Wilson lost followers because of his lack of creativity in his skills. I'm hoping that once Wendy, Walter and Wortox's skill tree is accepted, more people interested in the game can support improving Wilson's skill tree.

By the way, I'm really excited to play with Wendy, Walter and Wortox's new skills but I don't want to leave Wilson aside because "I'm bored with his perks." I know my ideas aren't perfect, but I strongly wish they would add new and unexpected gameplay dynamics for Wilson.

In fact, I like the torch tree, I feel like Wilson is the bearer of fire like in the myth of Prometheus, where fire symbolizes knowledge and reason. This could easily suggest that Wilson's torch, when lit, can boost sanity and enable the creation of level 1 and 2 science prototypes (or that Wilson shares his prototype recipes). I even thought about Wilson being able to create new torches like a nightmare fuel torch (Black Light) or a lunar torch. In the end I just let the torch provide movement speed (alluding to the Olympic torch).

My point is that Wilson's perks can still give more, much more: with his magnificent beard, his gentlemanly appearance and, of course, his crazy mind of an alchemist, protoscientist, chemist, and more.

[Anis5240]

24 minutes ago, MarcoReverie said:

I really like playing Wilson because of the character's lore

Truly. It's rather sad to see many players/people like him because of the lore, yet gameplay-wise he's so lacking. I'm not saying he should have sanity drain reduction like Wendy or Wortox (since even Maxwell doesn't have that despite the long ass time of him stuck on the Throne). But if other characters can have their personalities and characteristics be expanded and improved on via gameplay, why shouldn't he too?

[Anis5240]

Some concept arts for the items.

[Dr.Webber]

Light :

maybe make it so light sources crafted by him have more of a late radius So it works more like he scientifically configured the materials in a way to make the largest light radius

medical:

medical things don’t really make sense for Wilson

Maybe you can replace this part of the tree with experiments gone awry that he can use as bombs or other weapons or maybe not even weapons if you can stretch the concept of experiments gone awry in a reasonable way to fit it

as a reference to the fact, he blew up a science lab at his old collegeand in the first don’t starve, animatic, an experiment blew up in his face

inventor:

Maybe you can replace slot four with different inventions or putting other items implied by quotes to be invented by Wilson in his character crafting tab

Transmutation:

Maybe make more of those crafts two way

ancient transmutations:

You should be able to get more glass shards out of That Moonrock to glass shard one

six fragments Thulesite seem like too much 

 

Affinities:

The shadow Comrade seems a little lackluster

Maybe replace it with a beard hair homunculus

I would either place the infused moon shards to pure brilliance craft with pure brilliance and a dreadstone equivalent or have it be infused moon shards, and something that it would be made of

And also either some lunar equivalent to the beard homunculus idea or crafting silver during the moon phrases

On 1/30/2025 at 5:34 AM, Anis5240 said:

If there were to be a beard whip, which branch would be suitable? Beard or Inventor? 

Definitely in the beard one
 

also, I put the newer stuff in the main post and change the title around so if the clay developers come across this either for the first time or again, don’t think it’s a new post and if they read the post and written it off before not saying they have, but if they have it decreases the chance of them scrolling by thinking, they already seen it and not giving it a chance

[Anis5240]

19 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

six fragments Thulesite seem like too much

dude that's literally what you gotta need to convert fragments to thulecite at the pseudoscience station.

20 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

medical things don’t really make sense for Wilson

he literally invented 3 healing-based items and 2 of them is revival items.

24 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

The shadow Comrade seems a little lackluster

surprise, surprise; it's just a neat reference to the old Shadow Wilson figure (and one-time appearance back in DS beta)

[Dr.Webber]

17 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

dude that's literally what you gotta need to convert fragments to thulecite at the pseudoscience station.

Ya but if you’re going to give him a craft separate of the pseudoscience station you think he’d have a more efficient way of using materials

 

17 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

he literally invented 3 healing-based items and 2 of them is revival items.

Interesting what items are they?

 

17 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

surprise, surprise; it's just a neat reference to the old Shadow Wilson figure (and one-time appearance back in DS beta)

Oh, I don’t know how I spaced that what if it was a mix of the two ideas where it is basically a small ingame version of the shadow Wilson figure made with nightmare, fuel and beard hair that runs around and does stuff for you

[MarcoReverie]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ya but if you’re going to give him a craft separate of the pseudoscience station you think he’d have a more efficient way of using materials

 

Interesting what items are they?

 

Oh, I don’t know how I spaced that what if it was a mix of the two ideas where it is basically a small ingame version of the shadow Wilson figure made with nightmare, fuel and beard hair that runs around and does stuff for you

 

I would also love to see your WEBBER SKILL TREE, and I'll try to give some suggestions.

Please tell me what do you think abou this WILSON SKILL TREE. I share some ideas with Anis but not some others.

 

TORCH TREE

1. Torch Range. Torch provides maximum range of Light (5 units) and Temperature. As fuel is depleted the light radius and temperature gradually becomes smaller in four discrete steps.
2. Torch Longevity. Increases Torch durability by a total of 50%.
3. Torch Toss. Throw on the ground (can use for cook food) or onto Mob for attack (disappears at hit, deals 17 of damage a set Mob on fire).

LOCKED SKILLS (PREREQUISITES: UNLOCK AT LEAST 3 TORCH SKILLS)

• Ultimate Torch. (New item). An infinite torch with the efficiency burn time of a fire pit. Can use a Nitre (135 sec) to create Endothermic fire and cools gradually by fuel from -40° (270 sec) to -10° (67.5 sec). Setting a tree on cold fire will create an ice (instead of charcoal). Increases movement speed by 25% while equipped (olympic torch). Recipe: Scales x1, Gold Nugget x4, Red Gem x1. 

BEARD TREE

1. Beard Insulation. Can use Beefalo wool to coat the beard (max 3) for improved insulation. 1 increase 20% more insulation; 2 for 40% and; 3 for 70%. Shaving only return Beard Hair. Losing all beard will lost the effect.
2. Beard Storage. Allows food and non-stackable items to be stored in the beard 1/2/3 slots per stage.
3. Beard Growth. Accelerates beard growth to 2/5/10 days.
4. Beard Armor. Beard provides damage protection of 2%, 5%, 10% per stage. Can use a Steel Wool to coat the beard (max 3) to add 10% extra protection. Shaving only return Beard Hair. Losing all beard will lost the effect.

LOCKED SKILLS (PREREQUISITES: UNLOCK AT LEAST 3 BEARD SKILLS)

• Frizzy Beard (New item). Craft a Luxury Comb that reset to 0 beard insulation for 6 min (20 uses). Beard Hair now has a static charge able to fuel Miner Hat or Lantern for 45 sec (9.5%). Recipe: Walrus Tusk x1, Blue Gem x1, Flint x1.

 

ALCHEMY TREE

• Transmutation. Transform Twigs-Log.

ORE BRANCH

1. Transmute Ore I. Transform Rocks-Flint, Nitre-Gold Nugget.
2. Transmute Ore II. Transform Cut Stone-Marble, Marble-Cut Stone, Marble-Moon Rock. New transform: 2 Fossils Fragments to 1 Thulecite Fragments.

GEMS BRANCH

1. Transmute Gems I. Transform Red Gems-Blue Gems and Purple Gems.
2. Transmute Gems II. Transform Orange Gems, Yellow Gems, Green Gems and Iridescent Gems.

ICKY BRANCH

1. Transmute Icky I. Transform Meat-Morsel, Beard Hair-Beefalo Wool.
2. Transmute Icky II. Transform Rot-Manure, Hound’s Teeth-Bone Shards. New transform: 8 Bone Shards  – 1 Fossils Fragments.

 

SCIENCE TREE (NEW)

• Blueprint. Can craft Blueprints of known recipies using a Cartographer’s desk. Every first time crafting blueprint restores sanity (15). Recipe: Papyrus, Feather pencil.

CHEMISTRY BRANCH

1. Super batery. Items that requires electrical doodad reduce to half. Enhance the discharge rate for Morning Star from 0.97 to 1.94. Can craft Frazzled Wires. Recipe: Beard Hair x2, Mosquito Sack x2, Gold Nugget x2.
2. Red Sun (New item). A chemiluminescence experiment into a flask (based on phosphorus sun experiment). When equipped, reacts and provides a powerful light and a small amount of warmth for 2 min. After use, the residual (into the flask) can use to instantly drying a meat. Otherwise, can add Ice/water to create a throwable acid bomb causing acid damage or throw into cave ponds to create Nitre formation. Recipe: Blue Gem x1, Flint x4 (to create a flask), Bone shards x4 (a phosphorus source).
3. Nitroglycerin (New item). Craft a throwable highly explosive substance into a flask (340 damage). Can explodes into the Backpack (or Beard) while moving. Recipe: Red Gem x1, Nitre x3, Flint x4.

MEDICAL BRANCH

1. Anatomy. Healing items that cost health will cost half. Telltale heart giving it to a Ghost by Wilson will not cause health penalty. Can craft Meat Effigy with out a prestihatitator.
2. Plague doctor hat. (New item). While worn, crafting healing items will be duplicate. Immune to acid rain. Only lasts for 4 minutes and degrading while equipped (Sanity -10/minute). Recipe: Batilisk Wing x2, Straw Hat x1, Purple Gem x1.
3. Adrenaline shot. (New item). Craft an injection that increase damage (20%), speed movement (25%) and speed actions while reduce sanity (10/min) and hunger (25/min) by 4 minutes. Stop frezzing / overheating and provides glow. Recipe: Stinger x1, Glow Berry x1, Bone Shards x4 (based on osteocalcin).

 

SHADOW COURTIER

Current perks plus a new item.

• Alchemical Golem: Create an unanimated golem with two slots (head and chest). Stats: 3600 health, 90 planar damage, Movement speed 2 (walks like a Rock Lobster). Requires a Heart Motor for been animated and an Artificial Brain to follow orders (attack, follow, protect, turn off/on). When "dies" drop 2 Boards. Downsides: While animated drains sanity -25/min. Only one golem can be reanimated. Recipe: Meat Effigy x1, Pure Horror x4, Dreadstone x10.

Additional craftable items:

• Artificial Brain: Alchemical Golem can follow orders. Without a Brain just walks and attacks every mob. Recipe: Silk x6, Frazzled Wires x6, Slurtle Slime x2.
• Heart Motor: A mechanical heart that lasts 16 min. Recipe: Electrical Doodat x1, Gears x1, Telltale Heart x1.

 

LUNAR INNOVATOR

Current perks plus a new item:

• Moonbeam blaster: Craft a portable lunar collider to create a moonbeam fired by a particle thrower. Range 5. Does 250 planar damage per use. Into the pack 1 main slot is to place the Lunar Collider (required for fire) and 7 slots to place Moon Shards (one per shoot). Can reload with Moon Shards. Downsides: Uses Body and Hand slots, reduce speed movement 10%. Recipe: Scrap x8, Piggyback x1, Morning Star x1.

Additional craftable items:

• Lunar Collider: (Electrical Doodad x1, Pure Brillance x4, Frazzled wires x4). Cools down in 16 min.

[Anis5240]

21 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Interesting what items are they?

Meat effigy and Telltale Heart. The booster shot is for restoring max HP penalty.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Anis5240 said:

Meat effigy and Telltale Heart. The booster shot is for restoring max HP penalty.

Besides maybe the booster shot what quotes imply that they’re invented by Wilson

[Anis5240]

18 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

what quotes imply that they’re invented by Wilson

"If I am to survive this place, I fear I must resort to drastic measures. That’s okay, though, for I am a Scientist, and my Science is nothing if not drastic. I think that if I build a wooden effigy of myself, and fill it full of meat, I can create an insurance policy against violent death. It’s a technique that’s well-known amongst the scientific community.

Maybe I should throw in some of my beard hairs as well. It couldn’t hurt!" - The 3rd part of Wilson's field notes (waaaaayyyyy when DS was in beta).

 

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, MarcoReverie said:

 

I would also love to see your WEBBER SKILL TREE, and I'll try to give some suggestions.

Please tell me what do you think abou this WILSON SKILL TREE. I share some ideas with Anis but not some others.

 

TORCH TREE

1. Torch Range. Torch provides maximum range of Light (5 units) and Temperature. As fuel is depleted the light radius and temperature gradually becomes smaller in four discrete steps.
2. Torch Longevity. Increases Torch durability by a total of 50%.
3. Torch Toss. Throw on the ground (can use for cook food) or onto Mob for attack (disappears at hit, deals 17 of damage a set Mob on fire).

LOCKED SKILLS (PREREQUISITES: UNLOCK AT LEAST 3 TORCH SKILLS)

• Ultimate Torch. (New item). An infinite torch with the efficiency burn time of a fire pit. Can use a Nitre (135 sec) to create Endothermic fire and cools gradually by fuel from -40° (270 sec) to -10° (67.5 sec). Setting a tree on cold fire will create an ice (instead of charcoal). Increases movement speed by 25% while equipped (olympic torch). Recipe: Scales x1, Gold Nugget x4, Red Gem x1. 

BEARD TREE

1. Beard Insulation. Can use Beefalo wool to coat the beard (max 3) for improved insulation. 1 increase 20% more insulation; 2 for 40% and; 3 for 70%. Shaving only return Beard Hair. Losing all beard will lost the effect.
2. Beard Storage. Allows food and non-stackable items to be stored in the beard 1/2/3 slots per stage.
3. Beard Growth. Accelerates beard growth to 2/5/10 days.
4. Beard Armor. Beard provides damage protection of 2%, 5%, 10% per stage. Can use a Steel Wool to coat the beard (max 3) to add 10% extra protection. Shaving only return Beard Hair. Losing all beard will lost the effect.

LOCKED SKILLS (PREREQUISITES: UNLOCK AT LEAST 3 BEARD SKILLS)

• Frizzy Beard (New item). Craft a Luxury Comb that reset to 0 beard insulation for 6 min (20 uses). Beard Hair now has a static charge able to fuel Miner Hat or Lantern for 45 sec (9.5%). Recipe: Walrus Tusk x1, Blue Gem x1, Flint x1.

 

ALCHEMY TREE

• Transmutation. Transform Twigs-Log.

ORE BRANCH

1. Transmute Ore I. Transform Rocks-Flint, Nitre-Gold Nugget.
2. Transmute Ore II. Transform Cut Stone-Marble, Marble-Cut Stone, Marble-Moon Rock. New transform: 2 Fossils Fragments to 1 Thulecite Fragments.

GEMS BRANCH

1. Transmute Gems I. Transform Red Gems-Blue Gems and Purple Gems.
2. Transmute Gems II. Transform Orange Gems, Yellow Gems, Green Gems and Iridescent Gems.

ICKY BRANCH

1. Transmute Icky I. Transform Meat-Morsel, Beard Hair-Beefalo Wool.
2. Transmute Icky II. Transform Rot-Manure, Hound’s Teeth-Bone Shards. New transform: 8 Bone Shards  – 1 Fossils Fragments.

 

SCIENCE TREE (NEW)

• Blueprint. Can craft Blueprints of known recipies using a Cartographer’s desk. Every first time crafting blueprint restores sanity (15). Recipe: Papyrus, Feather pencil.

CHEMISTRY BRANCH

1. Super batery. Items that requires electrical doodad reduce to half. Enhance the discharge rate for Morning Star from 0.97 to 1.94. Can craft Frazzled Wires. Recipe: Beard Hair x2, Mosquito Sack x2, Gold Nugget x2.
2. Red Sun (New item). A chemiluminescence experiment into a flask (based on phosphorus sun experiment). When equipped, reacts and provides a powerful light and a small amount of warmth for 2 min. After use, the residual (into the flask) can use to instantly drying a meat. Otherwise, can add Ice/water to create a throwable acid bomb causing acid damage or throw into cave ponds to create Nitre formation. Recipe: Blue Gem x1, Flint x4 (to create a flask), Bone shards x4 (a phosphorus source).
3. Nitroglycerin (New item). Craft a throwable highly explosive substance into a flask (340 damage). Can explodes into the Backpack (or Beard) while moving. Recipe: Red Gem x1, Nitre x3, Flint x4.

MEDICAL BRANCH

1. Anatomy. Healing items that cost health will cost half. Telltale heart giving it to a Ghost by Wilson will not cause health penalty. Can craft Meat Effigy with out a prestihatitator.
2. Plague doctor hat. (New item). While worn, crafting healing items will be duplicate. Immune to acid rain. Only lasts for 4 minutes and degrading while equipped (Sanity -10/minute). Recipe: Batilisk Wing x2, Straw Hat x1, Purple Gem x1.
3. Adrenaline shot. (New item). Craft an injection that increase damage (20%), speed movement (25%) and speed actions while reduce sanity (10/min) and hunger (25/min) by 4 minutes. Stop frezzing / overheating and provides glow. Recipe: Stinger x1, Glow Berry x1, Bone Shards x4 (based on osteocalcin).

 

SHADOW COURTIER

Current perks plus a new item.

• Alchemical Golem: Create an unanimated golem with two slots (head and chest). Stats: 3600 health, 90 planar damage, Movement speed 2 (walks like a Rock Lobster). Requires a Heart Motor for been animated and an Artificial Brain to follow orders (attack, follow, protect, turn off/on). When "dies" drop 2 Boards. Downsides: While animated drains sanity -25/min. Only one golem can be reanimated. Recipe: Meat Effigy x1, Pure Horror x4, Dreadstone x10.

Additional craftable items:

• Artificial Brain: Alchemical Golem can follow orders. Without a Brain just walks and attacks every mob. Recipe: Silk x6, Frazzled Wires x6, Slurtle Slime x2.
• Heart Motor: A mechanical heart that lasts 16 min. Recipe: Electrical Doodat x1, Gears x1, Telltale Heart x1.

 

LUNAR INNOVATOR

Current perks plus a new item:

• Moonbeam blaster: Craft a portable lunar collider to create a moonbeam fired by a particle thrower. Range 5. Does 250 planar damage per use. Into the pack 1 main slot is to place the Lunar Collider (required for fire) and 7 slots to place Moon Shards (one per shoot). Can reload with Moon Shards. Downsides: Uses Body and Hand slots, reduce speed movement 10%. Recipe: Scrap x8, Piggyback x1, Morning Star x1.

Additional craftable items:

• Lunar Collider: (Electrical Doodad x1, Pure Brillance x4, Frazzled wires x4). Cools down in 16 min.

Overall, I really like it, but I have a few notes:

torch tree:

Maybe use the endothermic torch to put out fires increasing the fuel Although I know it doesn’t have to be 100% realistic in real life and endothermic flame. The most it would do would be the cool the wood down a bit and at worst the wood would put the flame out, but if I have a source of heat too absorbed from it it’s able to persist 

bread tree:

If you only get your hair after shaving 

it how would you get the different walls wools back

transmutations:

To site fragments in fossils aren’t elected a thought fragment is much less useful than a fossil fragment

also, I don’t know if you meant to put this or not but I noticed that the crafts weren’t going both ways

chemistry branch:

what if you extend it to all ponds?

alignment:

What if instead of having an artificial brain and a heart motor what if you just attune to it?

What is the moon beam blaster or like the one that scrappy were pig had just have it be on a cool down also if you want to stick with the heart motor and artificial brain what if you make the add-ons to the moon beam blaster have two add-ons instead of one

you should definitely  post the skill tree in a threat of its own. It really deserves all the attention I can get.

1 hour ago, Anis5240 said:

"If I am to survive this place, I fear I must resort to drastic measures. That’s okay, though, for I am a Scientist, and my Science is nothing if not drastic. I think that if I build a wooden effigy of myself, and fill it full of meat, I can create an insurance policy against violent death. It’s a technique that’s well-known amongst the scientific community.

Maybe I should throw in some of my beard hairs as well. It couldn’t hurt!" - The 3rd part of Wilson's field notes (waaaaayyyyy when DS was in beta).

 

I see you’re right about the telltale heart 

With the meat effigy on the other hand, I think the Lord might of changed between beta and endgame because other characters who have no idea who Wilson was at the time, could craft it and expressed confusion on why and ended up looking like some random dude

2 hours ago, MarcoReverie said:

 

I would also love to see your WEBBER SKILL TREE, and I'll try to give some suggestions

thanks for the like on the Webber skill tree but it hasn’t been updated in a while. Here’s the newer one so far.
The pictures didn’t copy over so although not all the skills have an icon most of them do and there are also concept art of different things

also in alignment their second chunks of text describing infusing spiders just ignore that because I’m planning to change it sometime soon:

 

skill tree:

 

 

(befriended nurse spider to unlock)

• Unbreakable friendship: Make decorated dens  not break when attacked and spiders in the  Bedazzled range only attack attackers and nurses spawn from tier 3 + decorated dens ground webs no longer reduce

 

 

(Befriend all spider types)

• Beneficial bite : teach spiders how to “chop/mine” with each having the efficiency of a pig by demonstrating it done normally so they make the connection between that and them breaking down stuff + they eat yucuse snot now when you’re stuck 
     

 

 

• Silk harvester: razors can be used to remove webbing from tiles dropping two

 

• Rapid Growth: Webber can upgrade dens with 4 silk instead of 5 silk

 

 

 

 

• Regeneration sensitization:increase stats from nurse spiders for Webber(15 hp)

 

• Nocturnally adept: partial night vision  (sense spiders walk around at night) only silhouettes  not enough to not be attacked by Charlie but enough to  see where your going, reduced sanity lose from dusk or night              60-80% during dawn and 40-60% during night.

 

 

 

• Deep den sleeper:Stats for sleeping in dens to 2 health and 3 health per second 

 

• No picky eater: Webber has the ability to eat pig skin, bunny puffs, or any non human edible meats that pigs and spiders eat for 50-60 hunger

 

 

 

 

 

• Den Relocation: Tier 1 dens can be picked up by Webber and relocated (affects Decorated Dens + can remove and relocate the stickers)(pulled from @JJ0264)

 

• Unnatural brood: You are now able to craft the itsy bitsy nest reusing the baby spiders from the forge and they fill up a Polar Bearger Bin like item called the itsy bitsy nest and they would act as distractions somewhat like the parasitic shading  but the victim wouldn’t be immune to damage they each could only be outside the itsy bitsy nest for a total of 8 minutes after that they return to the itsy bitsy nest and nap and they’ll need to charge back up before using them again so they hunger durability that can be refilled using meat, honey, or electric milk/monster milk similar to the eye mask, but you decide if,when,and how many you takeout at a time so you can have them out over the course of multiple days without needing to recharge them. If you’re smart about it, also depending on what beard skin you have on will determine what they look like  they would look like tiny versions of what spiders from a den that has a queen that looks like that beards respective Webber skin as well as the egg sack having the same color,you get 6 slots with 12-20 second cool down until you can spawn the next one and they would do 9 damage,have 7 hp, upon death one will respond every 90 seconds 

(You need this to craft other 3 crafts and after the first 4 uses you need to replace the den decorating set for five more uses each time you run out)

8 silk, 3 paper, and 1 spider egg, 1 den decorating set,24 health

 

Concept examples:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(like this except they smile like befriended spiders)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

• Carecrafts :  (unnatural brood required)

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homemade den: You can make a homemade den if you place a cookie in the homemade den it will turn 2 spiders into that type, every time the den has a spider added it lose 1% durability, you can find out how much durability there is by inspecting, and you can repair it using silk but maybe by 2-5%. it has 12 spiders with the inventory of a scaled chest but for spiders only it’ll take 90 seconds for each spider to respawn Each time a spider respawns it will cost 10% power, 1 nightmare fuel Provides 50% power

it will spawn that Webbing Wickerbottom spawns with Overcoming Arachnophobia around it

4 beard hair,12 silk, 12 bone shards to craft it(bones making 4 pillars, a layer of silk, making up the walls and the rest being used as cushioning and decorations because it’s Webbers dens so it’s got Flex that decorated den drip) you could also call the spiders out of the den by interacting with it

And it can be broken using a hammer

 

 

 

 

• Silkcrafts:

Silk shooter: 

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Silk spindle:@blacknight7890 came up with an idea I re named it and changed its look but other then that it’s all there’s Learn to craft a 'Silk spindle', [like a giant spindle with spider hair and  a finial on it (with white string when silk is on it)] a structure that can be placed near decorated spider dens. Spiders will spin webs onto it over time, can be harvested for silk." [passive silk farming]

 

finial looks like this:

 

 

 

• Sharing is caring: Webber can give players the shoebox and they could only use it for its calling off aggressive spider function

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

• Garden spider :farm like Webber does in the gorge and learn more from the gardeneer hat

 

 

(Icon borrowed from @BiddoBams’ Warly skill tree)

• Spider Goatherder: learn to milk volt goats that won’t be disturbed by Webber anymore and calm charged volt goats by feeding them any number of Wobsters, bananas,meat,Burch nuts, pomegranates,eggs, Asparagus, pumpkin seeds (doing this while not charged will make them follow you for a short period time to allow for easier relocation)

 

 

 

 

• Silk stitch: You can now repair things with silk like Winona’s trusty tape

 

• acidophilic arachnid: when in acid rain Webber gets: 

 

Attack Damage	Physical DamageTaken	Move Speed
+5%	-2.5%	+1.5%

 

• Queen decorator: you can now decorate spider queen that will give her all the same effects of a decorated den(if you have unbreakable friendship, decorations won’t fall off when hit and will only attack attackers), when fighting nearby, spider queen will send over befriended nurse spiders to your aid

 

• Animalistic arachnid: Webber has the same all fours running ability as Wilbur and wonkey, when you fight bare handed you use your claws doing double the normal amount of damage

 

• In the spirit of friendship: When dying with Webber will drop 2 spider glands, spiders will disperse when Webber dies then meet back up with him when he revives staying loyal the whole time

 

• Garden spiders:

Flame touched spiders:  has built in scale mail as well as can cook

Switcherdoodle: 2 monster meat, 2 silk, 2 fire nettle fronds

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shadow spider care:

 

The Queen will reward your loyalty with  the recipe to help your spider friends evade dangers

 

 2 monster meat, 3 silk, and 4 dark pedals

The shadow spider is a shadow spider that can leap and teleport like shadow creatures when hit. They also have faster walking and attack speed then normal spiders, have 450 health, and deal 30 damage.

 

 

You can power spiders by using a new item called _____

After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re power until next time you power the spiders

 

 

 

 

Lunar spider care: 

 

 

The cryptic founder will reward your curiosity, with  the recipe to help your spider friends sedate dangers

 

 2 monster meat, 3 silk, and 4 lune blossoms 

The lunar spider is a shadow spider that can leap and knockout like gestalts when hit. They also have faster walking and attack speed then normal spiders, have 450 health, and deal 30 damage.

 

You can power spiders by using a new item called _____

After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re power until next time you power the spiders

 

 

 

[Anis5240]

11 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

could craft it and expressed confusion on why and ended up looking like some random dude

 

[Dr.Webber]

2 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

 

Yeah, I’m talking about them not recognizing him back in solo Don’t Starve

[Anis5240]

Just now, Dr.Webber said:

Yeah, I’m talking about them not recognizing him back in solo Don’t Starve

Characterization marches on, that's what. Same as Webber have more character development and such. Or WX-78 now being referred as "they/them" instead of "it/its" from DS.

[Dr.Webber]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

Characterization marches on, that's what. Same as Webber have more character development and such. Or WX-78 now being referred as "they/them" instead of "it/its" from DS.

I know I’m just saying, I don’t think he invented it because if they were able to craft it before they even met him or had any idea who he was to know how to make it

I feel like it’s important to note that they are able to do it before he was able to share the idea with them

[Anis5240]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

if they were able to craft it before they even met him

yes and that's what I said about characterization marches on. They don't know who it was that made the meat effigy look, but now they do. That's literally it.

We can go back and forth on this argument but ultimately it's stated there in the field notes. Before everyone else (playable) was in the game, there's only Wilson.

34 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

thanks for the like on the Webber skill tree but it hasn’t been up in a while. Here’s the newer one so far.
The pictures didn’t copy over so although not all the skills have an icon most of them do and there are also concept art of different things

also in alignment their second chunks of text describing infusing spiders just ignore that because I’m planning to change it sometime soon:

also hey man you may wanna chuck this into your own thread: this is for WILSON'S improved skill tree concept.

[Dr.Webber]

11 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

yes and that's what I said about characterization marches on. They don't know who it was that made the meat effigy look, but now they do. That's literally it.

We can go back and forth on this argument but ultimately it's stated there in the field notes. Before everyone else (playable) was in the game, there's only Wilson.

I understand that i’m just saying that one is possible that the direction they wanted to take the lore might have changed in between the beta and the final product

If he wasn’t able to share it with anybody that the concept will be able to get to them how do we know he’s the one that invented it?

Like maybe I could see the shadow manipulator having the knowledge during his time alone or after he ascended to the throne but how do we know if maybe the other survivors were surviving before he entered the constant and it just happened to coincidentally it looks similar to him what the idea of his image was in the circulation of the shadow manipulator because he was the next victim

15 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

also hey man you may wanna chuck this into your own thread: this is for WILSON'S improved skill tree concept.

 

Sorry, but I’m not putting this trunk in my thread:

this is for WILSON'S improved skill tree concept.

It seems the chunk is convey anger, which I understand, but if I put it in my thread, then I don’t want the guy who seems so nice to excitedly(at least that’s how I interpreted the message, but you really can’t properly convey emotion through text alone, so I don’t know) asked to see my Webber skill tree to think that I’m conveying anger towards him

rest assured were right back to Wilson skill tree improvement tis but a small detour

[Anis5240]

23 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

how do we know he’s the one that invented it?

The same as many other things we know of: character quotes/loading tips. You may not know that Wilson is also the one who invented the Gardeneer Hat, but it was stated in one of the loading tips. He's also the one who made the Think Tank a.k.a for boating/sailing.

Again, the lore is very very small and Klei doesn't seem to want to extend upon it so that's just what it is.

Also Marco literally said he's interested to see your stuff but not in this thread. You can just ping him in your thread, and he'll be notified and check it out whenever he's free.

In here, let's focus on Wilson's skill tree concept here, ok? Go big, go all out in your Webber thread but this thread is for Wilson only.

[Dr.Webber]

42 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

The same as many other things we know of: character quotes/loading tips. You may not know that Wilson is also the one who invented the Gardeneer Hat, but it was stated in one of the loading tips. He's also the one who made the Think Tank a.k.a for boating/sailing.

I knew about the gardeneer hat but also those two things are only found in don’t starve together the point in the timeline that we know that they’ve all met (not including characters that haven’t been added from solo Don’t Starve) so that can be explained by him just telling them how to make it.

[Anis5240]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

so that can be explained by him just telling them how to make it.

and you just can't think if he also did the same about the meat effigy?

This argument had gone long enough.

[Dr.Webber]

51 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

and you just can't think if he also did the same about the meat effigy?

solo Don’t Starve takes place before they meet so he can’t tell them if they’ve never met

53 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

his argument had gone long enough.

Honestly, if anything, it’s helping you stay up on top of the suggestions and feedback feed

[Anis5240]

6 hours ago, MarcoReverie said:

Only one golem can be reanimated. Recipe: Meat Effigy x1, Pure Horror x4, Dreadstone x10.

Hmm, for this one it's either applying the dismantle mechanic that Winona also had or just using the actual crafts of the meat effigy itself. So it'd be:

4 beard hairs, 4 boards, -40 HP/4 meats (if we want to use the DS version), 4 pure horrors, 10 dreadstone.

Which would you prefer?