Guille6785 Posted January 7, 2025 Share Posted January 7, 2025 Thought this info would be good to share here for anyone who's interested. Credit to @Arcwellfor the numbers (this data was brute forced from 10000 worlds; this is not the theoretical probability of biome connections, it's the actual in-game probability): Mandatory Biomes: Make a pick/Spawn (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dig that rock: 100.00% Frogs and bugs: 49.04% Befriend the pigs: 34.02% Great Plains: 33.09% Magic meadow: 31.17% Beeeees!: 29.03% For a nice walk: 23.60% Squeltch: 15.24% MooseBreedingTask: 14.09% Mole Colony Deciduous: 11.75% Mole Colony Rocks: 11.67% Kill the spiders: 5.04% Make a Beehat: 2.15% Dead End: 0.00% Dig that rock/Mosaic (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 60.22% Speak to the king: 17.75% Great Plains: 9.87% Beeeees!: 9.85% Mole Colony Rocks: 6.43% Mole Colony Deciduous: 3.65% Make a Beehat: 2.26% Befriend the pigs: 1.55% Magic meadow: 1.37% Connects from: Spawn: 100.00% Great Plains/Savanna (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 35.82% For a nice walk: 20.50% Speak to the king: 18.34% Beeeees!: 16.25% Squeltch: 15.23% Mole Colony Deciduous: 9.58% MooseBreedingTask: 7.19% Mole Colony Rocks: 6.52% Make a Beehat: 1.93% Magic meadow: 0.77% Connects from: Spawn: 33.09% Pig Village: 15.13% Frogs and bugs: 13.44% Magic meadow: 13.24% Mosaic: 9.87% Bee Queen: 7.66% Quad Moose: 4.05% 2nd Deciduous: 1.86% Mandrake Forest: 1.66% Squeltch/Swamp (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 26.27% Forest hunters: 15.90% Badlands: 15.13% Lightning Bluff: 14.48% Make a Beehat: 8.76% Killer bees!: 6.65% The hunters: 6.53% Kill the spiders: 6.28% Connects from: Bee Queen: 15.52% Pig King: 15.24% Spawn: 15.24% Savanna: 15.23% Mandrake Forest: 14.33% Pig Village: 7.11% 2nd Deciduous: 6.99% Frogs and bugs: 6.52% Quad Moose: 3.82% Beeeees!/Bee Queen (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 23.53% For a nice walk: 19.31% Speak to the king: 17.49% Badlands: 17.29% Forest hunters: 15.70% Squeltch: 15.52% The hunters: 10.80% Mole Colony Deciduous: 7.93% Great Plains: 7.66% Kill the spiders: 5.86% MooseBreedingTask: 5.83% Mole Colony Rocks: 5.69% Make a Beehat: 2.19% Magic meadow: 0.78% Befriend the pigs: 0.57% Lightning Bluff: 0.51% Killer bees!: 0.36% Connects from: Spawn: 29.03% Savanna: 16.25% Pig Village: 13.15% Frogs and bugs: 12.25% Magic meadow: 11.62% Mosaic: 9.85% Quad Moose: 3.69% 2nd Deciduous: 2.39% Mandrake Forest: 1.77% Speak to the king/Pig King (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 45.60% Badlands: 16.48% Squeltch: 15.24% Forest hunters: 14.70% The hunters: 10.65% Kill the spiders: 5.33% Killer bees!: 5.16% MooseBreedingTask: 3.65% For a nice walk: 0.91% Lightning Bluff: 0.08% Connects from: Savanna: 18.34% Mosaic: 17.75% Mandrake Forest: 17.71% Bee Queen: 17.49% Pig Village: 8.45% Frogs and bugs: 8.44% 2nd Deciduous: 7.57% Quad Moose: 4.25% Forest hunters/Moonstone Forest (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 56.68% Lightning Bluff: 13.89% Badlands: 8.95% Killer bees!: 8.56% Make a Beehat: 6.14% Kill the spiders: 4.57% The hunters: 4.16% Connects from: Swamp: 15.90% Bee Queen: 15.70% Dfly Desert: 15.10% Pig King: 14.70% Triple Mactusk: 7.63% Killer Bee: 6.91% Oasis: 6.83% Frogs and bugs: 6.27% Quad Moose: 4.20% Spider Quarry: 3.77% 2nd Meteor Field: 2.35% 2nd Deciduous: 0.64% For a nice walk/Moonstone forest (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 61.10% Speak to the king: 17.71% Squeltch: 14.33% Mole Colony Rocks: 5.44% MooseBreedingTask: 3.36% Make a Beehat: 2.17% Beeeees!: 1.77% Great Plains: 1.66% Mole Colony Deciduous: 0.81% Connects from: Spawn: 23.60% Savanna: 20.50% Bee Queen: 19.31% Pig Village: 11.07% Frogs and bugs: 10.28% 2nd Deciduous: 9.23% Quad Moose: 5.10% Pig King: 0.91% Badlands/Dragonfly desert (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 60.26% Forest hunters: 15.10% Lightning Bluff: 9.44% The hunters: 4.91% Kill the spiders: 4.90% Make a Beehat: 4.02% Killer bees!: 3.26% Connects from: Bee Queen: 17.29% Pig King: 16.48% Swamp: 15.13% Moon Forest: 8.95% Triple Mactusk: 8.52% Oasis: 7.38% Frogs and bugs: 7.25% Killer Bee: 6.85% Spider Quarry: 4.71% Quad Moose: 4.27% 2nd Meteor Field: 2.50% 2nd Deciduous: 0.67% Lightning Bluff/Oasis desert (10000 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 54.46% Killer bees!: 16.48% Make a Beehat: 9.32% Badlands: 7.38% Forest hunters: 6.83% Kill the spiders: 3.79% The hunters: 2.91% Connects from: Spider Quarry: 39.07% Swamp: 14.48% Moon Forest: 13.89% Killer Bee: 10.69% Dfly Desert: 9.44% 2nd Meteor Field: 7.32% Quad Moose: 3.82% Bee Queen: 0.51% 2nd Deciduous: 0.50% Triple Mactusk: 0.20% Pig King: 0.08% Optional Biomes (the game picks 5 of these at random before generating the world): Befriend the pigs/Pig Village Forest (5188 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Great Plains: 29.16% Beeeees!: 25.35% For a nice walk: 21.34% Dead End: 19.08% Speak to the king: 16.29% Squeltch: 13.70% MooseBreedingTask: 11.04% Mole Colony Deciduous: 10.47% Mole Colony Rocks: 7.40% Magic meadow: 6.96% Kill the spiders: 4.82% Make a Beehat: 1.43% Connects from: Spawn: 65.57% Frogs and bugs: 19.45% Magic meadow: 10.89% Mosaic: 2.99% Bee Queen: 1.10% Kill the spiders/Spider Quarry (5014 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Lightning Bluff: 77.92% Dead End: 15.44% Badlands: 9.39% Forest hunters: 7.52% Killer bees!: 4.75% Make a Beehat: 4.01% The hunters: 3.01% Connects from: Swamp: 12.52% Bee Queen: 11.69% Pig King: 10.63% Spawn: 10.05% Dfly Desert: 9.77% Moon Forest: 9.11% Quad Moose: 8.38% Oasis: 7.56% Pig Village: 4.99% Triple Mactusk: 4.57% Frogs and bugs: 4.25% Killer Bee: 3.79% 2nd Meteor Field: 1.70% 2nd Deciduous: 1.00% Killer bees!/Killer bee field (5057 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 46.89% Lightning Bluff: 21.14% Forest hunters: 13.66% Badlands: 13.55% Make a Beehat: 7.63% The hunters: 4.88% Kill the spiders: 3.76% Connects from: Oasis: 32.59% Moon Forest: 16.93% Swamp: 13.15% Pig King: 10.20% 2nd Meteor Field: 9.77% Dfly Desert: 6.45% Spider Quarry: 4.71% Quad Moose: 4.27% 2nd Deciduous: 0.97% Bee Queen: 0.71% Triple Mactusk: 0.26% Make a Beehat/2nd meteor field with bees (4911 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 62.04% Lightning Bluff: 14.91% Killer bees!: 10.06% Badlands: 5.09% Forest hunters: 4.79% Kill the spiders: 1.73% The hunters: 1.38% Connects from: Oasis: 18.98% Swamp: 17.84% Moon Forest: 12.50% Dfly Desert: 8.19% Killer Bee: 7.86% Mosaic: 4.60% Bee Queen: 4.46% Mandrake Forest: 4.42% Spawn: 4.38% Spider Quarry: 4.09% Savanna: 3.93% Quad Moose: 2.75% Magic meadow: 1.51% Pig Village: 1.51% Frogs and bugs: 1.45% 2nd Deciduous: 1.38% Triple Mactusk: 0.16% The hunters/Triple MacTusk (5092 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 66.85% Badlands: 16.73% Forest hunters: 14.98% Kill the spiders: 4.50% Lightning Bluff: 0.39% Killer bees!: 0.26% Make a Beehat: 0.16% Connects from: Bee Queen: 21.21% Pig King: 20.92% Swamp: 12.82% Dfly Desert: 9.64% Moon Forest: 8.17% Frogs and bugs: 6.99% Oasis: 5.71% Killer Bee: 4.85% Quad Moose: 4.10% Spider Quarry: 2.97% 2nd Meteor Field: 1.34% 2nd Deciduous: 1.28% Magic meadow/Frog ponds (4830 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 39.79% Great Plains: 27.41% Beeeees!: 24.06% Befriend the pigs: 11.70% Mole Colony Deciduous: 10.00% Mole Colony Rocks: 7.43% Make a Beehat: 1.53% Connects from: Spawn: 64.53% Frogs and bugs: 21.95% Pig Village: 7.47% Mosaic: 2.84% Bee Queen: 1.61% Savanna: 1.59% Frogs and bugs/Frog ponds and beehives (4904 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Great Plains: 27.41% Beeeees!: 24.98% Magic meadow: 21.62% For a nice walk: 20.96% Befriend the pigs: 20.58% Speak to the king: 17.21% Badlands: 14.78% Squeltch: 13.30% MooseBreedingTask: 13.23% Forest hunters: 12.79% Mole Colony Deciduous: 10.09% Mole Colony Rocks: 8.95% Dead End: 7.83% The hunters: 7.26% Kill the spiders: 4.34% Make a Beehat: 1.45% Connects from: Spawn: 100.00% Mole Colony Deciduous/2nd Deciduous (5041 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 44.26% For a nice walk: 18.31% Speak to the king: 15.02% Squeltch: 13.87% Mole Colony Rocks: 4.90% Beeeees!: 4.74% MooseBreedingTask: 3.95% Great Plains: 3.69% Make a Beehat: 1.35% Badlands: 1.33% The hunters: 1.29% Forest hunters: 1.27% Kill the spiders: 0.99% Lightning Bluff: 0.99% Killer bees!: 0.97% Connects from: Spawn: 23.31% Savanna: 19.00% Bee Queen: 15.73% Pig Village: 10.77% Frogs and bugs: 9.82% Magic meadow: 9.58% Mosaic: 7.24% Quad Moose: 2.94% Mandrake Forest: 1.61% Mole Colony Rocks/Rocky (5130 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 100.00% Connects from: Spawn: 22.75% Savanna: 12.71% Mosaic: 12.53% Bee Queen: 11.09% Mandrake Forest: 10.60% Frogs and bugs: 8.56% Pig Village: 7.49% Magic meadow: 7.00% 2nd Deciduous: 4.81% Quad Moose: 2.46% MooseBreedingTask/Quad Moose (4833 occurrences) Spoiler Leads to: Dead End: 24.64% For a nice walk: 10.55% Badlands: 8.84% Speak to the king: 8.79% Kill the spiders: 8.69% Forest hunters: 8.69% Great Plains: 8.38% Lightning Bluff: 7.90% Squeltch: 7.90% Beeeees!: 7.64% Killer bees!: 4.47% The hunters: 4.32% Mole Colony Deciduous: 3.06% Make a Beehat: 2.79% Mole Colony Rocks: 2.61% Connects from: Spawn: 29.15% Savanna: 14.88% Frogs and bugs: 13.43% Bee Queen: 12.06% Pig Village: 11.86% Pig King: 7.55% Mandrake Forest: 6.95% 2nd Deciduous: 4.12% Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxil20 Posted January 7, 2025 Share Posted January 7, 2025 This is some very neat information. Thank you! This post reminded me of your bug report, and I imagine is why there are cases where some biomes connect to others less than ~2% of the time. Is it possible to do something similar for the caves? I imagine the info there would also be quite helpful and would be useful information (less so for the ruins, since they have a consistent pattern, but the other cave biomes could be quite nice). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille6785 Posted January 7, 2025 Author Share Posted January 7, 2025 10 minutes ago, Maxil20 said: This is some very neat information. Thank you! This post reminded me of your bug report, and I imagine is why there are cases where some biomes connect to others less than ~2% of the time. Is it possible to do something similar for the caves? I imagine the info there would also be quite helpful and would be useful information (less so for the ruins, since they have a consistent pattern, but the other cave biomes could be quite nice). Not all of those cases are bugs since biomes are intended to just attach to existing biomes if they can't find a proper match, but at least in the cases I mentioned it's because of those typos Caves are here, although I quite frankly struggle to distinguish between several of these biomes so this data is up to you to interpret: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TERzdGiGnfaHmZGQ9kpPk0_Fb3dxaWNnXbHDUIdGgR8/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Giggio Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 Thank u sir that sounds like a lotta effort Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiyss Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 Just knowing that some of these are possible just blow my mind. second deciduous into dly? Sounds soo weird yet so unique. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pruinae Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 10 hours ago, Swiyss said: second deciduous into dly? Sounds soo weird yet so unique. NO, I HATEEEE SECOND DECIDUOUS If second deciduous has a million haters, then I am one of them. If second deciduous has ten haters, then I am one of them. If second deciduous has only one hater then that is me. If second deciduous has no haters, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is in favor second deciduous, then I am against the world. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiyss Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 nooo what do you mean, I love the second deciduous Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 Nice statistics. I wonder why Mosaic is always connected with Spawner biome... Although the lock and key shows that it can be connects from other biomes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RozeMeteor Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 3 hours ago, Pruinae said: NO, I HATEEEE SECOND DECIDUOUS If second deciduous has a million haters, then I am one of them. If second deciduous has ten haters, then I am one of them. If second deciduous has only one hater then that is me. If second deciduous has no haters, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is in favor second deciduous, then I am against the world. This, but with spider quarry instead. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pruinae Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 29 minutes ago, Swiyss said: nooo what do you mean, I love the second deciduous SECOND DECIDUOUS IS A LIAR AND A THIEF!! It promises moles, you go there there's A WHOLE THREE MOLES; it gets your hopes up, u are like "omg PK, pan flute and glommer!! I am so happy!! This is awesome sauce!! I am going to tell everyone I found all this stuff and they are going to be so happy!!!" then you walk around for 20 minutes exploring the biggest deciduous biome you've ever seen and there's NOTHING in it, NOTHING I SAY!!! AND THEN, AND THEN, winter comes and it SPITS on your face. It tells u "Yeah, guess what? Klaus spawned on me, good luck finding him. I made sure to spawn him the cornerst corner of the map you've ever seen AHAHAHA!!" All that and its taking one of the 5 biome spots >:(( IMAGINE GETTING SECOND DECIDUOUS INSTEAD OF TRIPLE MAC TUSK, MY BLOOD IS BOILING Mole colony would never mistreat me like second deciduous does. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 biomes tierlist when? oh let me try S: Make a pick/Spawn The hunters/Triple MacTusk, A: Dig that rock/Mosaic, Speak to the king/Pig King, Mole Colony Rocks/Rocky B: Forest hunters/Moonstone Forest, For a nice walk/Moonstone forest (moonstone? why it says moonstone on your biome connection list? dont you mean mandrake?) Befriend the pigs/Pig Village Forest, C: Great Plains/Savanna, Kill the spiders/Spider Quarry, Magic meadow/Frog ponds, Frogs and bugs/Frog ponds and beehives D: Badlands/Dragonfly desert, Lightning Bluff/Oasis desert E: Squeltch/Swamp, Beeeees!/Bee Queen F: Killer bees!/Killer bee field, Make a Beehat/2nd meteor field with bees, Mole Colony Deciduous/2nd Deciduous, MooseBreedingTask/Quad Moose i think this makes perfect sense Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcwell Posted January 8, 2025 Share Posted January 8, 2025 1 hour ago, Cassielu said: Nice statistics. I wonder why Mosaic is always connected with Spawner biome... Although the lock and key shows that it can be connects from other biomes. Mosaic's only lock is Rocks, which is only unlocked by the Pickaxe key. The only two biomes that have that key are Spawn and Oasis. Oasis could unlock Mosaic if it were to unlock first, but Oasis unlocking first is impossible because: Oasis has LOCKS.SPIDERS_DEFEATED, which is only unlocked by KEYS.SPIDERS. KEYS.SPIDERS is only possible from Spider Quarry. Swamp has this key in the code, but it does not register due to a bug. Spider Quarry has LOCKS.MONSTERS_DEFEATED. The key to unlock this can be found in Moonstone forest, Triple Mactusk, or Dragonfly Desert, but the issue is that all of these biomes also have this lock. This means none of them can unlock until every biome has been tested and it goes to random select. Mosaic always passes this test because its only lock is unlocked by Spawn, which means Mosaic will always unlock before Oasis. I did another test to see the average order each biome unlocks in, the results of which are attached here. Spawn is effectively position [0] when reading this txt file. You can see there's several biomes that never unlock until at least [8]. This is for the same reason, because it always goes to random select before picking them. forest_taskOrder.txt Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163019-full-list-of-biome-connection-probabilities-surface/#findComment-1784712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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