A portion of Wendy's skill tree conflicts with her character and background

[Steorra]

8 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

While I get where your coming from wouldn't it be far more disrespectful for Wendy to make fake graves for random bone pieces?

Guess you two guys are just talking about different things.

Lio was complained about how a suicide for a tomb is inconvenient for gameplay,

You were talking about if it is suitable for background story or particularly cultural 

[gaymime]

wendy has in her quotes expressed that she is very very comfortable with murder on multiple occasions. she does do things, and has always done things, that would easily count as necromancy. her reasons for doing this sort of thing can be argued about, certainly, but it does not change the fact that she does it and has no remorse or hesitation in doing it. it might be against your tastes and sense of decency but it is very much in-character for wendy because she isn't against murdering many living being in the game(&using their pieces for other things) and only really seems remorseful about doing it when it is related to very young things(like eggs) or specifically reminds her of her sister

 

some wendy quotes where she expresses no concern for death or is pleased by it;

Spoiler

Piggyback- "They are more useful in death."

Fur Roll- "I will wrap myself in the fuzzy skins of the fallen."

Cut Grass- "I like to kill small things."

Pig Head- "Kill the pig. Spill his blood."

Gunpowder- "It is a dark path I tread."

Death (mob)- "It deserved it."

Dapper Vest- "I can wear pieces of dead things made into a vest!"

Star Caller's Staff- "The stick is as twisted as my soul."

Bush (held)- "I like it dead, but I should plant this."

Glommer- "Well aren't you a happy little fuzzball. Die."

Webber's skull-  “He's better this way.”

 

there are more quotes but i didnt include ones where it was unclear if she was being cheeky or not or were changed later. i also left out her attack quotes; they are indeed very violent but a lot of the survivours have violent quotes for their attacks so it seems unfair to put those in here. these quotes are all available to look at on the wiki and all can be seen in-game by examining the items named.

 

tl:dr? i can understand why some players are unhappy/uncomfortable with her approach to death and dead things but that does NOT mean it is in conflict with wendy the character. her doing necromancy is not outside of her personality and not in conflict with her lore.

[Mike23Ua]

The constant isn’t on earth, and if it is.. it’s in a pocket dimension between realities.

You can burn a Catcoon den to the ground (probably with the Catcoons still inside) and they’ll respawn a few days later like nothing ever happened.

Dead Ghost players have ALWAYS been able to “haunt” Decapitated Pig & Merm Heads on sticks to reanimate them to life to make their eyes open and tongues stick out.

DST is rated T for Teen for a Reason, it’s not a kids game and it shouldn’t be treated as one (several character quotes throughout the game will quickly confirm this)

The Graves in DST aren’t actual REAL Graves.. Maxwell even makes comments when examining them like “Ha! I remember that one.”

Which means he remembers the rather Hilarious way he managed to kill a previous survivor within the Magical Realm that isn’t Reality.

[Spunney]

The design of Don't Starve, it's atmosphere and characters, is very intentionally Macabre-adjacent in many ways. The game has, since it's exception, treated death as a "trivial or mocking topic". I think this post is a bit silly and kinda reads like projecting onto your own values onto Wendy who, as pointed out in previous replies, does not particularly respect the concept of death and is only really mournful of her sister and things that remind her of her sister. Many characters in DST are a bit questionable in these sorts of ways, only a few of them lacking morally reprehensible qualities

[Mike23Ua]

14 minutes ago, Spunney said:

The design of Don't Starve, it's atmosphere and characters, is very intentionally Macabre-adjacent in many ways. The game has, since it's exception, treated death as a "trivial or mocking topic". I think this post is a bit silly and kinda reads like projecting onto your own values onto Wendy who, as pointed out in previous replies, does not particularly respect the concept of death and is only really mournful of her sister and things that remind her of her sister. Many characters in DST are a bit questionable in these sorts of ways, only a few of them lacking morally reprehensible qualities

To add to this.. did people just forget this??

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DS/DST never took dying seriously, because dying (inside the constant) has no real consequences.

[Well-met]

I think you're looking too deep into this.

wendy is the little girl with an affinity for ghosts.

ghosts spawn from graves.

her skill tree is things that involve ghosts and graves.

everything is fine.

[Grove]

"Death is but an inconvenience" refers to death in the constant. Not death in general. In which.. yea it's just an inconvenience here

I feel like there are much better things to talk about, especially since it has been stated that some of these skills are gonna get changed aesthetically.

[Lee lol]

7 hours ago, gaymime said:

wendy has in her quotes expressed that she is very very comfortable with murder on multiple occasions. she does do things, and has always done things, that would easily count as necromancy. her reasons for doing this sort of thing can be argued about, certainly, but it does not change the fact that she does it and has no remorse or hesitation in doing it. it might be against your tastes and sense of decency but it is very much in-character for wendy because she isn't against murdering many living being in the game(&using their pieces for other things) and only really seems remorseful about doing it when it is related to very young things(like eggs) or specifically reminds her of her sister

 

some wendy quotes where she expresses no concern for death or is pleased by it;

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Piggyback- "They are more useful in death."

Fur Roll- "I will wrap myself in the fuzzy skins of the fallen."

Cut Grass- "I like to kill small things."

Pig Head- "Kill the pig. Spill his blood."

Gunpowder- "It is a dark path I tread."

Death (mob)- "It deserved it."

Dapper Vest- "I can wear pieces of dead things made into a vest!"

Star Caller's Staff- "The stick is as twisted as my soul."

Bush (held)- "I like it dead, but I should plant this."

Glommer- "Well aren't you a happy little fuzzball. Die."

Webber's skull-  “He's better this way.”

 

there are more quotes but i didnt include ones where it was unclear if she was being cheeky or not or were changed later. i also left out her attack quotes; they are indeed very violent but a lot of the survivours have violent quotes for their attacks so it seems unfair to put those in here. these quotes are all available to look at on the wiki and all can be seen in-game by examining the items named.

 

tl:dr? i can understand why some players are unhappy/uncomfortable with her approach to death and dead things but that does NOT mean it is in conflict with wendy the character. her doing necromancy is not outside of her personality and not in conflict with her lore.

Wendy's lines show her attachment and envy for death, which shows that she has a tendency to self-destruct. The deeper reason is the sadness and guilt brought to her by Abigal's death. But obsession with death does not mean that she likes to kill.

[Grove]

This reminds me, but butterflies in the constant are plants lmao. Just flying flowers.

[gaymime]

19 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

Wendy's lines show her attachment and envy for death, which shows that she has a tendency to self-destruct. The deeper reason is the sadness and guilt brought to her by Abigal's death. But obsession with death does not mean that she likes to kill.

"i like to kill small things" belies that statement

[Steorra]

1 hour ago, gaymime said:

"i like to kill small things" belies that statement

I'd prefer to read this as a self-sarcasm, or just a thought of "They are too poor when facing the cruelty of the world, I prefer to end their life for preventing more torment in future." And this is just the attitude to Death of Wendy. Which means she won't trap a small animal in life and death circle by herself.

And I'm not sure if this is still in current DST or not.

Have to say if you just read this as a simple "I like to abuse small things" then your read seems more like a personal projection for me.

[Echsrick]

i mean, she got ALOT of quotes were she mentions how she can end herself, and that means death

[Lee lol]

1 hour ago, gaymime said:

"i like to kill small things" belies that statement

Wendy checked the cut grass: "It never knew that it was still alive. How fortunate.”

 

[thesooz9000]

4 minutes ago, Steorra said:

I'd prefer to read this as a self-sarcasm, or just a thought of "They are too poor when facing the cruelty of the world, I prefer to end their life for preventing more torment in future." And this is just the attitude to Death of Wendy. Which means she won't trap a small animal in life and death circle by herself.

And I'm not sure if this is still in current DST or not.

Have to say if you just read this as a simple "I like to abuse small things" then your read seems more like a personal projection for me.

Woah, that's a crazy accusation to make, but anyway, the quote quite literally says "I like to kill small things" quite literally reads as "I like to kill small things", Trying to twist it into something not gruesome or macabre in nature is just delusional.

[Steorra]

8 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

i mean, she got ALOT of quotes were she mentions how she can end herself, and that means death

This is a significant feature of depression.

[Lee lol]

3 minutes ago, thesooz9000 said:

Woah, that's a crazy accusation to make, but anyway, the quote quite literally says "I like to kill small things" quite literally reads as "I like to kill small things", Trying to twist it into something not gruesome or macabre in nature is just delusional.

in DST the line changed.

So I think the DST designer thinks that this line is not so suitable for Wendy.

[Steorra]

10 minutes ago, thesooz9000 said:

Woah, that's a crazy accusation to make, but anyway, the quote quite literally says "I like to kill small things" quite literally reads as "I like to kill small things", Trying to twist it into something not gruesome or macabre in nature is just delusional.

So is this still exists in current DST?

Wendy have performed her attitude to other lives as a "mercy" which would like to prevent future sadness for those poor things, you could easily understand this attitude by some quotes of her. Just ignoring this attitude by say "it is what it is" is more like to distort Wendy's meaning by quoting fragments for argument.

[Echsrick]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

This is a significant feature of depression.

yes and thats her character, she is obsessed with the dead, like why else would she try to revive her dead sister or try to kill herself or has litteraly no remorse in killing things? she has seen enought,  she does not realy care what the future is anymore because she sees it as not being worth it without her sister

[Steorra]

10 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

, she is obsessed with the dead, 

I would like to agree with you about other points, but this sentence might cause some misunderstanding.

Wendy was not obsessed with the dead which necromancer did. Wendy was obsessed with suicide and sadness. Death is just a part of these, but not all.

10 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

has litteraly no remorse in killing things

Also have to clarify she is killing for mercy due to her attitude towards the cruelty of the world, but not for fun.

And it's ridiculous to say those who have depression would prefer to become a necromancer.

[Echsrick]

6 minutes ago, Steorra said:

would prefer to become a necromancer.

but the matter of the fact is that she is a necromancer, a spirit weaver, a wonder bringer, or what else one calls these kind of people that bring back the dead or half alive

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

but the matter of the fact is that she is a necromancer

False. And no needs to repeat the reasons I guess.

You can't say medium is necromancer. You might go ask chatgpt what difference between them if you don't want to take my words.

[gaymime]

18 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

in DST the line changed.

So I think the DST designer thinks that this line is not so suitable for Wendy.

it is interesting that it has changed in dst, good to know! it is still in solo ds even after the big update where they changed stuff to be more in line with dst however so it is still canon to the character(which is fine, a lot of quotes are different in the two games) i wonder if it is so people cannot use the line so safely abuse other players? the walter-melon joke that willow made in solo was changed in dst for that reason so it would make sense

 

[Lee lol]

6 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

but the matter of the fact is that she is a necromancer, a spirit weaver, a wonder bringer, or what else one calls these kind of people that bring back the dead or half alive

No? Wendy may have tried to resurrect Abi with something like rebirth amulet in DST, but it didn't work, because Abi's soul has been bound to Abigail's flower.

 

Wiki or Klei animation has never mentioned that she tried to resurrect Abi before she enters the Eternal Realm

 

So she has never really succeeded in resurrecting anything...

All she does is try to communicate with the Abi after she died, which can be found in DST wiki

[gaymime]

7 minutes ago, Shining Galaxy said:

Compared to the interpretation of existing actions, the even more crazy accusation is the attack on fabricated facts. This is Wendy's actual line when checking 'cut grass' in DST. You are defaming a little girl with depression using outdated facts.

not outdated just living in parallel. both quotes are current and up to date in their respective games and, if klei having both be currently in their games is any indication, valid

 

also please note that klei have chosen to make her this way in her skilltree, they are the absolute authority on what she is and they seem to feel she is willing to use the dead to her own ends

5 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

No? Wendy may have tried to resurrect Abi with something like rebirth amulet in DST, but it didn't work, because Abi's soul has been bound to Abigail's flower.

 

Wiki or Klei animation has never mentioned that she tried to resurrect Abi before she enters the Eternal Realm

 

So she has never really succeeded in resurrecting anything...

All she does is try to communicate with the Abi after she died, which can be found in DST wiki

she uses the telltale heart on others and seems keen to resurrect people with it so they do not stay dead

[Steorra]

8 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

i rather not use an ai

Or wiki, or go ask some mysticism enthusiasm, or trying to get some helps and messages from your local coven.