Notes on Wendy's Skill Tree - 646898 12/12/2024

[WenericMember]

Will we get another update before xmas? I dread the state of the forums if a decision on blessed sisturn isnt reached before Kleis holiday break.

[WenericMember]

15 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

My bare-minimum "Christmas list" for one more hotfix before holiday break starts:

1) Catch up on bug fixes, especially those that crash the game. 

2) Implement the suggestions from my Team Spirit post, so we have time to test Abigail's potential when those skills are a viable option to a wider audience. 

I jist hope we get a statement on blessed sisturn 3, because productove discussion on the rest of the tree has ground to a halt.

[Dr.Webber]

I found this really good suggestion for Wendy’s skill tree on YouTube:

 

[Bumber64]

On 12/15/2024 at 5:02 PM, Fitzee said:

What amount does Cursed Vexation increase vex damage by currently?

Something like 2.07x for Wendy(+beefalo) and 1.55x for everyone else? May be slightly off, but those numbers work with her 0.75x multiplier.

That would be up from 1.54x and 1.16x, or whatever.

[Xplan]

Just now, Bumber64 said:

Something like 2.07x for Wendy(+beefalo) and 1.55x for everyone else? May be slightly off, but those numbers work with her 0.75x multiplier.

it seems that the dmg should be buffed

[Bumber64]

Just now, Xplan said:

it seems that the dmg should be buffed

To what? 3x? 10x?

[Xplan]

Just now, Bumber64 said:

To what? 3x? 10x?

2.5-3 would be fair enough.

[Bumber64]

20 minutes ago, Xplan said:

2.5-3 would be fair enough.

That's way stronger than Wolfgang, even ignoring the extra damage you're getting from Abi. There's no way it would happen.

Compounding the issue is that using Warly dishes can get Wolfgang (or current Wendy+beefalo) to 6x, and would instead get Wendy to 9x.

[Xplan]

Just now, Bumber64 said:

That's easily stronger than Wolfgang, even ignoring the extra damage you're getting from Abi. There's no way that would happen.

Compounding the issue is that using Warly dishes plus rain can get Wolfgang to 6x, and would get Wendy to 9x.

i doubt it.

firstly, it is not easier than wolfgang, which is the reason why i say the dmg still need to be buffed

secondly, maybe 2.7

[yiyaya]

On 12/13/2024 at 10:24 AM, -Variant said:

Please, please, please, please lean closer to the Wanda animation treatment.

I'd much, much, much rather the skills be kept as-is and instead Wendy gets exclusive animations to feel more in character.
Like, for example, Wanda is more skilled with her portals. When she uses them, she lands on her feet. Everyone else falls over.

If the current grave revival animation where kept for most other characters, but Wendy's were changed to her sighing and looking disappointed or something, I feel that'd be a fun, fitting way to tackle it.

I love the grave skills as someone who wasn't super interested in her earlier, they caught my eye and made me want to play her more. I'd be a bit sad if they were taken out.

I disagree.

You mean, Wendy prepared a resurrection item in advance for her death, and when she resurrects through it, she will show a disappointed and sighing expression？

Don't you think it's hypocritical?

If you don't want to resurrect, you can choose not to, or be forced to do so out of necessity.

But you've even prepared means for resurrection beforehand.

Would someone with suicidal tendencies prepare resurrection means for themselves in advance?

It's like someone dialing the emergency number before committing suicide, and then expressing regret for not successfully committing suicide after being rescued.

This is terrible, even worse than resurrection itself.  You're ruining Wendy.

Please, don't adopt this terrible suggestion. Wendy shouldn't have the skill to resurrect herself. The altar's functions should be completely redesigned, replaced with abilities that are more consistent with Wendy's character.

There are still some overlooked aspects regarding Wendy. For instance, Abigail needs some non-combat functions to make her more like Wendy's sister rather than just a combat follower.

[Kondr_]

something strange happens with mobs agro after using dash-attack command.

scary-command is very useful against stronger mobs like knights and bishops, but right now it is very annoying to use it because it can be interrupted if Abi gets hit. and ability still goes on cool down.

also scare-command do not slow targets like maxwell do. would like be able to get slow effect. mb from g-Abi mb from death-infused Abi. mb from upgraded by potion vex. (mb from lunar blossoms? since this perk is very limited even if it is powerful)

didn't test g-Abi yet so do not know how hard to use scare-command with this form. (mb scare-command should be casted on point)

[Kondr_]

seems like haunt command gives command to haunt an object. I suggest so Abi goes to targeted location and then uses haunt. it will let us be able to control direction where items will be thrown. so we can bring things like driftwood close enough to pickup it from water (without boat).

[Mike23Ua]

If you guys are still looking for “Aesthetic” Changes ideas for Wendy’s Resurrection instead of crawling out of a Grave, then uhm- the ending of Corpse Bride played in Reverse.

If you’ve never seen the movie THIS Scene.

Spoiler

It would be Ironic that Wendy has a skill tree perk for killing and resurrecting butterflies, and when she “Revives” she comes in as a Swarm of Blue Butterflies to Manifest back to life.

 

[yiyaya]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

If you guys are still looking for “Aesthetic” Changes ideas for Wendy’s Resurrection instead of crawling out of a Grave, then uhm- the ending of Corpse Bride played in Reverse.

If you’ve never seen the movie THIS Scene.

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It would be Ironic that Wendy has a skill tree perk for killing and resurrecting butterflies, and when she “Revives” she comes in as a Swarm of Blue Butterflies to Manifest back to life.

 

The scene where Emily transforms into blue butterflies and flies away is indeed beautiful.

However, I believe that this beauty mainly stems from her kindness and self-sacrifice, rather than the blue butterflies themselves.

Aesthetic design is not just about visual appeal; it should also touch people's hearts.

At least, it should not deviate from the character's established traits.

I don't think Wendy would prepare a resurrection method for herself to escape death.

I am more inclined to believe that she would prepare a grave, accepting her own mortality.

When she dies, her ghost would be teleported near her grave, and all her items would be buried inside it.

This is more practical and more meaningful than a meat effigy with an altered appearance. Furthermore, it aligns better with Wendy's character design.

[WenericMember]

I think it was mentioned normal beta would resume second week of Jan. Is that next week, or the week after?

[Kondr_]

i suppose escape action should be uninterruptible (when abi gets hit). whole point is to use it while abi is under attack.

[Edible Coal]

On 1/1/2025 at 6:58 AM, WenericMember said:

I think it was mentioned normal beta would resume second week of Jan. Is that next week, or the week after?

this week

[Steorra]

On 12/22/2024 at 2:33 PM, yiyaya said:

It's like someone dialing the emergency number before committing suicide, and then expressing regret for not successfully committing suicide after being rescued

I would agree with most of your opinions but I think this is not a good example. This could be a general action for someone who suffering depression. A simple way to describe that is more like, there might be some battle inside those who suffering depression just like Jekyll and Hyde - the survival instinct and the death instinct would continue fight eachother inside your mind and the battle just attends to drive you crazy and self blame until you finally suicide successfully or completely cured. The "dialing the emergency number" might is just an action of your survival instinct, which are trying against your depression or death instinct. I hope we could give more understanding to others and give less judgement to them.

[yiyaya]

4 hours ago, Steorra said:

I would agree with most of your opinions but I think this is not a good example. This could be a general action for someone who suffering depression. A simple way to describe that is more like, there might be some battle inside those who suffering depression just like Jekyll and Hyde - the survival instinct and the death instinct would continue fight eachother inside your mind and the battle just attends to drive you crazy and self blame until you finally suicide successfully or completely cured. The "dialing the emergency number" might is just an action of your survival instinct, which are trying against your depression or death instinct. I hope we could give more understanding to others and give less judgement to them.

I'm sorry, I'm indeed not good at managing my emotions, especially when confronted with something I care about too much. I owe an apology to @-Variant for my previous attitude, and I hope it didn't hurt your feelings.

Actually, I wanted to do this soon after I posted that, but I was embarrassed to bring it up. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. Also, thank you for supporting my ideas.

Lastly, if anyone with depression were hurt by my previous remarks, please accept my apologies as well.

[WenericMember]

Praying for a patch in the next 24 hours.

Really want to see what's been cooking.

Overall, I hope to see buffs to the MG line, fine tuning to Blessed Sisturn, Team Spirit 3 & Potions 2, and a potential redesign for shadow abigail.

Walters new skills are exciting too.

[Edible Coal]

On 1/9/2025 at 4:42 PM, WenericMember said:

Praying for a patch in the next 24 hours.

untill next week 

[Kondr_]

got another small idea: let wendy's ghosty hat work like compass but for ghosts. once again i would like little almost useless things.

do not like visual of robbed graves. too easy to dig and no way to bury it back. mobs or earthquake can dig it for example (may see it happening near labyrinth boss)

[WenericMember]

Aghhhhh I thought this was a new patch. It's hard to believe it's been a month since the last beta patch.

[Reiko24]

19 hours ago, WenericMember said:

Aghhhhh I thought this was a new patch. It's hard to believe it's been a month since the last beta patch.

i get baited all the time, my monke brain sees the author in red an i'm instantly WOW NEW UPDATE