Fengfan Hertz Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 I think you understand that your design of Wendy's Skill Tree was not successful and highly controversial. So I hope you can put Wendy's skill tree in the next update, giving yourself more time to think about what Wendy really needs. Regarding the urn and non shadow, non moon Abigail She is currently not suitable for playing in the mid to late stages of the save, as her attack multiplier of 0.75 makes it difficult for Abigail to survive in boss battles, leading to cow taming becoming Wendy's main choice. The answer you provided for this is to hang up for 5 minutes in exchange for a shield that can resist 4 boss attacks (after the latest modification). I don't quite understand why this enhancement is for. For single player mode, 5 minutes means you have to work in the base for a whole day. For powerful players, this means almost a day of waste. For newcomers, it is almost useless. In addition, I hope that other more treasured items can be added to the sisters's urn to obtain other effects (such as shadow flower increases damage, moon flower increases maximum HP, or immortal fake flower, etc.) About Little Scar, Tombstone These skills are a pretty good idea, although some of them don't quite fit Wendy's persona. Regarding the Moon Line You removed AOE and turned it into single damage, but gave it an invincible frame and deleted it because it was too "strong". Is it strong? Is it difficult to switch between transformations in 20 days? Edge ob watching Wendy get beaten? Is the shadow monster indifferent in front of us? About Shadow Line Murdering small animals is a tribute to the single player version, a fun but troublesome design. (I hope the texture of Shadow Abigail can be made better) other 4 demon flowers+1 mourning glory=4 flowers "You deleted it and replaced it with" 1 butterfly wing+4 mourning glory=1 butterfly ". In my eyes, the two of them are equally useless. Wendy is a natural enemy of spiders, and insect catching nets are endless. Why didn't I choose a meat statue instead of an altar for resurrection. Is beard very rare? Flower garlands can use potions, which is an interesting idea, but is it really worth a valuable head equipment rack. All medications must be worn to take effect, and their efficacy is weakened. last We all know that Wendy is one of the most popular characters in this game. I hope you can give her a skill tree that most players can say is excellent, even perfect, instead of the current skill tree filled with mediocre skills There may be some errors in machine translation of this article Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 yeah yeah we get it, can we now have a normal atmosphere? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1770805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarnishedmax Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 Yall are so mean instead of trying to give any kind of feedback or constructive criticism, i keep hearing about her tree being bad but i have yet to see anyone give decent alternatives that arent just wanting Wendy to one shot everything and never die. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1770811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 what if we just remove wendy? then no one can complain that wendy is supposendly "bad" or "weak" how about that for a change? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1770813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Hollow Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 14 minutes ago, Echsrick said: what if we just remove wendy? then no one can complain that wendy is supposendly "bad" or "weak" how about that for a change? And make a brand new game called "Wendy not included" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1770820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkShark Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 2 hours ago, Fengfan Hertz said: These skills are a pretty good idea, although some of them don't quite fit Wendy's persona. Okay, what doesn't fit. is it the grave itself? is it her coming out of the grave like an undead. Like what is it exactly that doesn't fit Wendy's persona here. Let's just run down what Wendy is all about. Wendy is a girl themed around death, ghosts, the supernatural. She's experienced in ghosts and resurrection like returning Abi from the spirit world, she has learned to craft elixirs with the whole purpose of being able to buff spirits. With her skill tree it has expanded on that, she can now craft new graves by finding skeletons around the world to give them a restingplace. Is it *really* that off the table that she could create a grave for herself and for her fellow survivors. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1770831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 40 minutes ago, Echsrick said: what if we just remove wendy? then no one can complain that wendy is supposendly "bad" or "weak" how about that for a change? They actually DID remove Warbucks, so how about we not even make jokes like this? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1770835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said: They actually DID remove Warbucks, so how about we not even make jokes like this? They should add him back i dont care if he was controversial he had a gun. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1770837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: They actually DID remove Warbucks, so how about we not even make jokes like this? 8 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: They should add him back i dont care if he was controversial he had a gun. replace wendy with warbucks, and not like he actualy spawned with the gun...they allready changed his portrait with a shovel Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1770845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fengfan Hertz Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 6 hours ago, Tarnishedmax said: 你们都太刻薄了，而不是试图给出任何形式的反馈或建设性的批评，我一直听说她的树很糟糕，但我还没有看到有人给出像样的替代方案，而不仅仅是希望温蒂一枪杀掉所有东西，永不死。 Really? I have seen many suggestions about Wendy's Skill Tree on this forum, although they are not mature or naive, and Steam Workshop has also updated some mods about Wendy's Skill Tree, which cannot be used as design materials for designers? 5 hours ago, PunkShark said: Okay, what doesn't fit. is it the grave itself? is it her coming out of the grave like an undead. Like what is it exactly that doesn't fit Wendy's persona here. Let's just run down what Wendy is all about. Wendy is a girl themed around death, ghosts, the supernatural. She's experienced in ghosts and resurrection like returning Abi from the spirit world, she has learned to craft elixirs with the whole purpose of being able to buff spirits. With her skill tree it has expanded on that, she can now craft new graves by finding skeletons around the world to give them a restingplace. Is it *really* that off the table that she could create a grave for herself and for her fellow survivors. Yes, Wendy is a supernatural character, but she is just a girl who lost her twin sisters, rather than a person who randomly moved other people's graves, which is not a good behavior (and what's the particularity of moving graves? It can be designed that everyone can move, but Wendy will not cause ghost attacks.) 6 小时前，Echsrick 说： 如果我们直接删除 Wendy 呢？那么没有人可以抱怨 Wendy 被认为是“坏的”或“软弱的”，那么改变一下怎么样？ 我们为什么不删除 Deadly Brightshade、Pirate Monkey、Great Depths Worm、Boat，所有可能引起争议的东西呢？ 6小时前， Reiko24 说： 是的，我们明白了，我们现在能有一个正常的气氛吗？ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 40 minutes ago, Fengfan Hertz said: 我们为什么不删除 Deadly Brightshade、Pirate Monkey、Great Depths Worm、Boat，所有可能引起争议的东西呢？ speak english to me, i dont know what you are trying to tell me Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fengfan Hertz Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 3 minutes ago, Echsrick said: speak english to me, i dont know what you are trying to tell me Why don't we remove Deadly Brightshade, Pirate Monkey, Great Depths Worm, Boat, all things that could cause controversy? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 1 minute ago, Fengfan Hertz said: Why don't we remove Deadly Brightshade, Pirate Monkey, Great Depths Worm, Boat, all things that could cause controversy? because as of late only wendy is the one causing problems in the forums were people straight up insult the designers and dev team of this game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fengfan Hertz Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 6 minutes ago, Echsrick said: because as of late only wendy is the one causing problems in the forums were people straight up insult the designers and dev team of this game Why is Wendy the only one causing such a big controversy? Why did we come to your English based communication website? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowercase skye Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 6 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said: he had a gun. he literally didn't, it's a hamlet item that anyone can craft and still exists because it was entirely unrelated to him Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 4分钟前，Fengfan Hertz说： 为什么温迪是唯一一个引起如此大争议的人？ 我们为什么来到你的英语交流网站？ They will never reflect on why, and will only keep blaming us Wendy players. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_light Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 9 minutes ago, Echsrick said: 因为最近只有温迪在论坛上制造麻烦，人们直接侮辱这个游戏的设计师和开发团队 Have you ever wondered why? Personally, I find Wortox's design interesting, so I don't argue about it, but Walter's design is also interesting Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LitulLola Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 I like the skill tree the way it is IF you bring back Gestalt Abby. Will everything in her skill tree be useful? No, will I find uses for most of it? No, but I can see how other players could pre rift. The potions aren't worth losing the headslot when the lunar and shadow weapons have synergies with the void cowl and brightshade helm. I like the grave stone tree, but it would be nice to get a beeswax potion to make the decorative flowers on grave stones permanent (like beeswax on giant crops). Her health buff should probably last as long as u have an active sisturn but I really like ur idea about changing Abby's effects based on petals put in the sisturn! The only thing I wanted for her was to have Abigail be good post rift in her affinity perks and she was! Until she wasn't! I'm bummed. Do I want a strong follower and a strong character like Willow got? No I just want an Abby I can actually fight with post rift. If she's not considerably better than original Abigail then what's the point? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edible Coal Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 10 hours ago, Crimson Hollow said: And make a brand new game called "Wendy not included" the uncompromising survival game where wendy is not included Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 45 minutes ago, Edible Coal said: the uncompromising survival game where wendy is not included it'd be funny if it's just a swap au where abigail is alive instead Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkShark Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 5 hours ago, Fengfan Hertz said: Yes, Wendy is a supernatural character, but she is just a girl who lost her twin sisters, rather than a person who randomly moved other people's graves, which is not a good behavior (and what's the particularity of moving graves? It can be designed that everyone can move, but Wendy will not cause ghost attacks.) She's a 10-ish year old girl who knows how to bring back people from the dead and craft elixirs made for ghosts, she can lead disturbed ghosts of children into the afterlife. We're not exactly in realistic territory here. I don't know why i have to say this but this is a game. It is not real, and it does not have to follow the values of real life because it is not real. Why does moving a grave have the need to feel justified when we're not playing a game of realism and real life values or rules. We're here to have fun, not take ourselves seriously regarding the things we do in-game. It is not meant to be taken seriously. And if you don't like it? Then don't do it, it is a choice and instead you can give the disturbed a resting place, you can give them flowers for peace, and lead them to the afterlife. Wendy gives ghosts harmony and peace unlike any other character because she knows how it feels to lose someone. I know in your country it is considered bad faith to move a grave and considered bad luck. But let's just breathe in and out, put our hands off the keyboard, and realize that what we're debating rn is a game about an unrealistic fantasy world full of inconsistencies regarding morals. Maybe we're taking it a little bit too seriously here. For gameplay specific reasons it is to make it easier to have ghosts around Wendy for evil flower collecting, pipspooks and adorning graves easier with tthe addition of bigspooks. it is also rather thematic that the character all about death and afterlife is the one who can make a graveyard. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasant Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 14 minutes ago, PunkShark said: I know in your country it is considered bad faith to move a grave and considered bad luck. But let's just breathe in and out, put our hands off the keyboard, and realize that what we're debating rn is a game about an unrealistic fantasy world full of inconsistencies regarding morals. Maybe we're taking it a little bit too seriously here. I'll explain again. The culture issues actually is not the main reason people don't like the skill, after all people can dig up graves for gems long ago. The reason people didn't like it was because at the first version the skilltree had little perks satisfying, thus the grave skill looks like almost mocking the players. As for the aurther's point, I think he meant that it's a little ooc for Wendy to remove graves. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fengfan Hertz Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 24 minutes ago, PunkShark said: She's a 10-ish year old girl who knows how to bring back people from the dead and craft elixirs made for ghosts, she can lead disturbed ghosts of children into the afterlife. We're not exactly in realistic territory here. I don't know why i have to say this but this is a game. It is not real, and it does not have to follow the values of real life because it is not real. Why does moving a grave have the need to feel justified when we're not playing a game of realism and real life values or rules. We're here to have fun, not take ourselves seriously regarding the things we do in-game. It is not meant to be taken seriously. And if you don't like it? Then don't do it, it is a choice and instead you can give the disturbed a resting place, you can give them flowers for peace, and lead them to the afterlife. Wendy gives ghosts harmony and peace unlike any other character because she knows how it feels to lose someone. I know in your country it is considered bad faith to move a grave and considered bad luck. But let's just breathe in and out, put our hands off the keyboard, and realize that what we're debating rn is a game about an unrealistic fantasy world full of inconsistencies regarding morals. Maybe we're taking it a little bit too seriously here. For gameplay specific reasons it is to make it easier to have ghosts around Wendy for evil flower collecting, pipspooks and adorning graves easier with tthe addition of bigspooks. it is also rather thematic that the character all about death and afterlife is the one who can make a graveyard. Yes, it's just a game. Firstly, I believe that relocating tombstones without the consent of the parties or their families is illegal in any country, not just in China. Also, I don't have any objections to the tombstone and the small scare line. It would be a better idea to add some tasks to help the soul rest and relocate the tomb, wouldn't it? (I don't expect the characters in the game to conform to real-life morals, but wouldn't it be better to at least make them look more reasonable?) PS: I don't need to relax, I think others may need it more. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
renamoe Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 11 minutes ago, Fengfan Hertz said: Yes, it's just a game. Firstly, I believe that relocating tombstones without the consent of the parties or their families is illegal in any country, not just in China. Also, I don't have any objections to the tombstone and the small scare line. It would be a better idea to add some tasks to help the soul rest and relocate the tomb, wouldn't it? (I don't expect the characters in the game to conform to real-life morals, but wouldn't it be better to at least make them look more reasonable?) PS: I don't need to relax, I think others may need it more. I understand where you're coming from, but I think the sheer volume of posts about Wendy's skill tree update might be contributing to some fatigue within the community. It feels like there are 10+ posts every day discussing similar points, which might be overwhelming for both the developers and forum members. I have no doubt that the Klei team is fully aware of the feedback and that they, along with engaged players here, are working to refine Wendy's updates thoughtfully. Posting excessively about the same issues could dilute the focus and make constructive discussions harder to follow. Perhaps it's time to pause and give Klei the space they need to implement the next hotfix, which I believe will address many of these concerns. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceMilk Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 12 hours ago, Tarnishedmax said: Yall are so mean instead of trying to give any kind of feedback or constructive criticism, i keep hearing about her tree being bad but i have yet to see anyone give decent alternatives that arent just wanting Wendy to one shot everything and never die. Firstly, many comments have provided some suggestions, and I don't understand why you think 'no suggestions'. Secondly, feedback itself is as important as suggestions. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162030-a-letter-to-wendy-the-designer-of-the-skill-tree/#findComment-1771296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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