A letter to Wendy, the designer of the Skill Tree

[yzb44]

you just want  design a fully powered and ideal skilltree about wendy,such as kill almost bosss,right?

[PunkShark]

24 minutes ago, Fengfan Hertz said:

 

Yes, it's just a game.
Firstly, I believe that relocating tombstones without the consent of the parties or their families is illegal in any country, not just in China.
Also, I don't have any objections to the tombstone and the small scare line. It would be a better idea to add some tasks to help the soul rest and relocate the tomb, wouldn't it? (I don't expect the characters in the game to conform to real-life morals, but wouldn't it be better to at least make them look more reasonable?)
PS: I don't need to relax, I think others may need it more.
 

See, you're stating that it's just a game but once again cannot acknowledge that whatever you do in the game isn't real.
You can do many things in this game that would be deemed immoral to real life but we don't talk about those apparently cause they're just the norm. Grave robbing is equally just as bad and we do it purely for profit in-game, massive deforestation, breaking skeletal corpses for our own benefits. So why does moving a tomb makes any difference compared to these.

These ghosts in the constant doesn't have any parties or families, they're angry spirits at loss. The fact that Wendy can move them means she can give them better rest at more comforting areas in the constant that isn't a meteor field or alone in the forest.

[Fengfan Hertz]

1 minute ago, renamoe said:

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the sheer volume of posts about Wendy's skill tree update might be contributing to some fatigue within the community. It feels like there are 10+ posts every day discussing similar points, which might be overwhelming for both the developers and forum members.

I have no doubt that the Klei team is fully aware of the feedback and that they, along with engaged players here, are working to refine Wendy's updates thoughtfully. Posting excessively about the same issues could dilute the focus and make constructive discussions harder to follow.

Perhaps it's time to pause and give Klei the space they need to implement the next hotfix, which I believe will address many of these concerns.

Yes, I already said at the beginning of the post that I hope Klei will put Windy's skill tree in the next update, not this time, but I am very worried that the designer will likely continue to implement his idea,

and it is now in the third edition. There is a saying that goes, 'One more, two more, not another.'.
I was not satisfied with the first two versions, but I did not choose to post.
Because I believe the designer will continue to make improvements, but he didn't. He just added a cool jet engine to a sports car and then weakened its performance. I hope this chaotic situation can come to an end. (Also, we don't want to come here and use machine translated English to talk to you, but unfortunately, Klei doesn't have a direct feedback channel for Chinese users.)

7 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

See, you're stating that it's just a game but once again cannot acknowledge that whatever you do in the game isn't real.

5 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

I don't expect the characters in the game to conform to real-life morals,

I'll say it again
I don't have much opinion on tombstones and small scare lines
I think this is a decent skill tree
I don't expect the actions of game characters to conform to the morality of reality
But I hope they can add some aspects that better highlight the character's traits, such as trading with ghosts as I mentioned before

14 minutes ago, yzb44 said:

you just want  design a fully powered and ideal skilltree about wendy,such as kill almost bosss,right?

[renamoe]

1 hour ago, Fengfan Hertz said:

Yes, I already said at the beginning of the post that I hope Klei will put Windy's skill tree in the next update, not this time, but I am very worried that the designer will likely continue to implement his idea,

and it is now in the third edition. There is a saying that goes, 'One more, two more, not another.'.
I was not satisfied with the first two versions, but I did not choose to post.
Because I believe the designer will continue to make improvements, but he didn't. He just added a cool jet engine to a sports car and then weakened its performance. I hope this chaotic situation can come to an end. (Also, we don't want to come here and use machine translated English to talk to you, but unfortunately, Klei doesn't have a direct feedback channel for Chinese users.)

I completely understand your concerns. Before the update, I would occasionally scroll through the forum and check out general discussions. However, as a Wendy main, the beta release of Wendy's skill tree update prompted me to become more active. After seeing the news on Bilibili, I started participating in the forum and made several posts early on—before the current chaotic and conflicting atmosphere took over. One of my first posts was Voices from the Chinese Community on Wendy's Recent Skill Tree Update, where I highlighted the negative feedback from the Chinese community regarding the skill tree.

I've shared feedback after every hotfix, but I've noticed that over-repeating the same points doesn't seem to help much (though, of course, everyone is free to express their ideas). In today's environment, however, it feels like discussions are too often turning into quarrels instead of constructive debates.

 

 

P.S. Could someone kindly explain how I can append a post to my reply? I'd really appreciate the help. Thank you in advance!

[Fengfan Hertz]

6 minutes ago, renamoe said:

I completely understand your concerns. Before the update, I would occasionally scroll through the forum and check out general discussions. However, as a Wendy main, the beta release of Wendy's skill tree update prompted me to become more active. After seeing the news on Bilibili, I started participating in the forum and made several posts early on—before the current chaotic and conflicting atmosphere took over. One of my first posts was Voices from the Chinese Community on Wendy's Recent Skill Tree Update, where I highlighted the negative feedback from the Chinese community regarding the skill tree.

I've shared feedback after every hotfix, but I've noticed that over-repeating the same points doesn't seem to help much (though, of course, everyone is free to express their ideas). In today's environment, however, it feels like discussions are too often turning into quarrels instead of constructive debates.

P.S. Could someone kindly explain how I can append a post to my reply? I'd really appreciate the help. Thank you in advance!

 

7 minutes ago, renamoe said:

of Wendy's skill tree update prompted me to become more active. After seeing the news on Bilibili, I started participating in the forum and made several posts early on—before the current chaotic and conflicting atmo

If that's what you mean, select with the mouse and place the mouse over the selected item. Options will pop up below, click on them. If not, ignore them.
Also, I don't know why you only mentioned Bilibili.
Baidu Tieba, Tiktok and so on all have famine players and some of them are more sharp than Bilibili. Also, if you really read it, you will understand that the players' opinions are not small, but not many have come here

[yzb44]

you misunderstand my opinion,i just want to complain your unrealistic wishes and conceit,i think wendy's skilltree is fine with last update

[renamoe]

23 minutes ago, Fengfan Hertz said:

 

If that's what you mean, select with the mouse and place the mouse over the selected item. Options will pop up below, click on them. If not, ignore them.
Also, I don't know why you only mentioned Bilibili.
Baidu Tieba, Tiktok and so on all have famine players and some of them are more sharp than Bilibili. Also, if you really read it, you will understand that the players' opinions are not small, but not many have come here

Thanks for clarifying! What I meant was how to include a link to my own post in a reply rather than just quoting text. But I appreciate your explanation regardless.

I mentioned Bilibili because I use that platform personally (while I don't post on Tieba, I do occasionally scroll through it, and I don't use TikTok at all). My concern stems from the overwhelmingly negative reactions I observed on Bilibili to Wendy's beta update. I wanted to bring that context here—not to focus solely on Bilibili—but to point out that I noticed these reactions on the very first day of Wendy's beta release and even made a post to highlight this phenomenon.

My intention is to share my thoughts and hopefully ease tensions and misunderstandings—especially those that might arise between Wendy players and non-Wendy players, or, in the worst case, between the Chinese community and non-Chinese players.

Like you, I'm fully aware of Wendy's current state and strongly believe she shouldn't go live without further adjustments.

I'm glad to see our conversation becoming more peaceful and constructive—it's much appreciated. Thank you for your kindness.

[Lee lol]

7 minutes ago, renamoe said:

谢谢你的澄清！我的意思是如何在回复中包含我自己帖子的链接，而不仅仅是引用文本。但不管怎样，我很感激你的解释。

我提到Bilibili是因为我个人使用该平台（虽然我不在Tieba上发帖，但我偶尔会滚动浏览它，而且我根本不使用抖音）。我的担忧源于我在Bilibili上观察到的对Wendy的测试版更新的压倒性负面反应。我想在这里提出这个背景——不是只关注Bilibili——而是要指出，我在Wendy的测试版发布的第一天就注意到了这些反应，甚至发布了一个帖子来强调这一现象。

我的意图是分享我的想法，并希望缓解紧张和误解——特别是温迪球员和非温迪球员之间可能出现的紧张和误解，或者在最坏的情况下，中国社区和非中国球员之间可能出现的紧张和误解。

和你一样，我完全了解Wendy的现状，并坚信她不应该在没有进一步调整的情况下直播。

我很高兴看到我们的谈话变得更加和平和建设性——非常感谢。感谢你的好意。

贴子右上角，有“share”可以分享链接，“more sharing options”可以复制链接 如果你是手机端在最下面

唉，这个论坛的氛围现在真的…看得人心累，谢谢你为温蒂发声

[Fengfan Hertz]

8 minutes ago, renamoe said:

Thanks for clarifying! What I meant was how to include a link to my own post in a reply rather than just quoting text. But I appreciate your explanation regardless.

I mentioned Bilibili because I use that platform personally (while I don't post on Tieba, I do occasionally scroll through it, and I don't use TikTok at all). My concern stems from the overwhelmingly negative reactions I observed on Bilibili to Wendy's beta update. I wanted to bring that context here—not to focus solely on Bilibili—but to point out that I noticed these reactions on the very first day of Wendy's beta release and even made a post to highlight this phenomenon.

My intention is to share my thoughts and hopefully ease tensions and misunderstandings—especially those that might arise between Wendy players and non-Wendy players, or, in the worst case, between the Chinese community and non-Chinese players.

Like you, I'm fully aware of Wendy's current state and strongly believe she shouldn't go live without further adjustments.

I'm glad to see our conversation becoming more peaceful and constructive—it's much appreciated. Thank you for your kindness.

Good attempts, but emotional content always catches the eye. I hope everything can have a good outcome.

[renamoe]

25 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

贴子右上角，有“share”可以分享链接，“more sharing options”可以复制链接 如果你是手机端在最下面

唉，这个论坛的氛围现在真的…看得人心累，谢谢你为温蒂发声

Thanks, 谢谢！我已经编辑了我刚刚的回复。

If no one comes to start a quarrel, then I feel this thread is actually quite peaceful. I'm also looking forward to the next hotfix—hopefully, it'll be around next Friday (Saturday in the Chinese time zone).

Fingers crossed!

[Tarnishedmax]

1 hour ago, RiceMilk said:

Firstly, many comments have provided some suggestions, and I don't understand why you think 'no suggestions'.

Secondly, feedback itself is as important as suggestions.

Feedback itself its important yes but when all i see is over 30 Wendy posts that same the exact same thing and have no substance other than "skill tree bad" it gets really tiring and makes it so much harder to engage with people that are genuinely passionate about this game and Wendy and it does make me sad because its true, there are many users here with really good ideas but they are so hard to find when its all so saturated with posts like these that only say "letter to the devs, you are worthless and need to destroy this tree" like yes we have heard it you have been saying it for like 40 posts now, its time to dial it back a little and let people speak.

27 minutes ago, renamoe said:

Thanks, 谢谢！我已经编辑了我刚刚的回复。

If no one comes to start a quarrel, then I feel this thread is actually quite peaceful. I'm also looking forward to the next hotfix—hopefully, it'll be around next Friday (Saturday in the Chinese time zone).

Fingers crossed!

Same!!! despite my dissatisfaction with Walter i know i just have to make a post, see if it reaches to people and then just wait for the next hotfix, im really excited and i hope they actually have found genuine feedback for it (˶◜ᵕ◝˶)

[renamoe]

31 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

Feedback itself its important yes but when all i see is over 30 Wendy posts that same the exact same thing and have no substance other than "skill tree bad" it gets really tiring and makes it so much harder to engage with people that are genuinely passionate about this game and Wendy and it does make me sad because its true, there are many users here with really good ideas but they are so hard to find when its all so saturated with posts like these that only say "letter to the devs, you are worthless and need to destroy this tree" like yes we have heard it you have been saying it for like 40 posts now, its time to dial it back a little and let people speak.

Same!!! despite my dissatisfaction with Walter i know i just have to make a post, see if it reaches to people and then just wait for the next hotfix, im really excited and i hope they actually have found genuine feedback for it (˶◜ᵕ◝˶)

Hi! Looks like you're a Walter main—I've noticed he's improved a lot in the updates, and I hope you're happy with the changes! Yesterday, I was on the verge of quarreling with someone, but we both managed to realize that we share a love for this game, and it's amazing how a video game can connect people like that.

Also, I just have to say—I love your emoji, it's really cute! (˶◜ᵕ◝˶)

[RiceMilk]

2 hours ago, Tarnishedmax said:

Feedback itself its important yes but when all i see is over 30 Wendy posts that same the exact same thing and have no substance other than "skill tree bad" it gets really tiring and makes it so much harder to engage with people that are genuinely passionate about this game and Wendy and it does make me sad because its true, there are many users here with really good ideas but they are so hard to find when its all so saturated with posts like these that only say "letter to the devs, you are worthless and need to destroy this tree" like yes we have heard it you have been saying it for like 40 posts now, its time to dial it back a little and let people speak.

Same!!! despite my dissatisfaction with Walter i know i just have to make a post, see if it reaches to people and then just wait for the next hotfix, im really excited and i hope they actually have found genuine feedback for it (˶◜ᵕ◝˶)

I hope you understand one thing, most of the players who post Wendy related content here are 'genuinely passionate about this game and Wendy'. Some of them may have rarely used forums or expressed themselves in the past, or you may feel that they are different from you, but that doesn't mean they are unimportant or they don't love it.

And I have already said it once, there are also many people who have provided suggestions. Do everyone need to make suggestions before expressing dissatisfaction?

As far as the content of this article is concerned, at least I saw him say why the skill tree is bad, rather than just saying it's bad.

[Copyafriend]

Honestly, i'm fairly happy with wendy on a general level. Her skill tree is on par with what skill trees generally have provided to characters. 

Her stuff is not extremely useful, but the only characters that got extremely useful stuff were generally underwhelming characters before the skilltree

(such as woodie, willow, winona, etc)

Those characters were either weak or boring, or sometimes both.

 

Wendy was and is already a fantastic character, yeah she has some weaknesses (like abigail not being strong against certain bosses) but she has lots of strengths to make up for it.

I think her skilltree could definitely still use some tweaks, I think gestalt abigail needs work, but i think that the nerfs were just an overcorrection from klei, because gestalt abigail was too strong, now she's not really worth changing abigail into. I'm sure klei will find a nice middle ground and we'll all be happy.

 

And to the chinese players, thank you for joining our forums, i'm sure it can be a little difficult to manage the language barrier, but its interesting to have another point of view

(But maybe sometimes its a little overzealous haha)

[Echsrick]

11 hours ago, No_light said:

Have you ever wondered why?
Personally, I find Wortox's design interesting, so I don't argue about it, but Walter's design is also interesting

walters skill tree? INTERESTING?!? hahhahaha.....oh no....you are seriously are you not? are you seriously or are you just saying that to "justify" wendys skill tree to be redone AGAIN?

[No_light]

19 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

沃尔特斯的技能树？有趣吗？！哈哈哈哈……哦不……你是认真的，不是吗？你是认真的还是你只是为了“证明”温迪的技能树需要再次重做？

No, I'm serious.

Do you really think he's no fun when it comes to being able to modify his slingshot and train a woby?

You can ask Woby to pick things up with you, and even though he's not efficient, he does make me feel like Woby is really an obedient companion, and Woby can dig up items, it's all full of unknowns, he's like opening a blind box, is he really boring.

Of course, there are three other Woby medals, and training Woby makes me feel that Woby really grows with me, rather than staying the same.

[Reiko24]

1 hour ago, Echsrick said:

walters skill tree? INTERESTING?!? hahhahaha.....oh no....you are seriously are you not? are you seriously or are you just saying that to "justify" wendys skill tree to be redone AGAIN?

wendy literally got so many interesting mechanics

 

gestalt abigail,

murdering creatures as a memento to the old dont starve

moving graves and giving them more purpose

drinking HER OWN ELIXIRS giving herself NIGHT VISION (WX-78, hello?)

new abigail commands with new animations and mechanics

 

what walter got:

ammo,

more ammo,

slingshot go fast,

woby fast, woby dig, woby 2 useless skills, woby do almost nothing

wormwood skilltree copy as an ammo

 

(wendy's skilltree is almost perfect, while Walter's skilltree has some interesting mechanics and I like it quite a bit, but too much of it is just some ammo and more crafting ammo)

2 hours ago, Copyafriend said:

 

 

And to the chinese players, thank you for joining our forums, i'm sure it can be a little difficult to manage the language barrier, but its interesting to have another point of view

(But maybe sometimes its a little overzealous haha)

Overzealous is putting it lightly. There are hundreds of thousands of Chinese DST players, but only a small amount of toxic, immature children flood forums to berate, insult and review bomb the game.

95% of the chinese playerbase really does not care. The 5% are only too invested and really have a problem. Similar to review bombing Genshin, attempted murder of the Genshin CEO, lawsuits because a bug was fixed... 

 

They are not Chinese people. They do not represent Chinese people. They represent a vocal toxic minority. There is literally 1 or 2 users who came in good faith and are respectful and provide valuable feedback. The rest are unbearable.

Because of its MASSIVE population, it also increases the amount of trolls and toxicity. Fortunately, most of the Chinese population is actually normal and sweet people as I have had experiences with them.

[Echsrick]

6 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

They are not Chinese people. They do not represent Chinese people. They represent a vocal toxic minority. There is literally 1 or 2 users who came in good faith and are respectful and provide valuable feedback. The rest are unbearable.

its realy like 1 bad apple tainting the others, its hard to tell who are toxic and who are legit wich realy is just sad

[Reiko24]

Just now, Echsrick said:

its realy like 1 bad apple tainting the others, its hard to tell who are toxic and who are legit wich realy is just sad

The irony is they don't see it. They gaslight, manipulate, play victim, lie... That actually makes me think they see it and do it on purpose to be honest. Toxic people.

[Lee Sy]

你完全可以使用中文对开发团队进行意见反馈，并没有什么规定说这里只能用English。

[Tarnishedmax]

8 hours ago, renamoe said:

Hi! Looks like you're a Walter main—I've noticed he's improved a lot in the updates, and I hope you're happy with the changes!

He has been improved a lot and its able to keep up damage wise but he still needs SO much work, Woby is very undertuned and his entire skill tree its just ammunition!! thats like if Wendy had 8 perks for 8 different new elixirs each and some of them weren’t even that good, i do trust Klei has heard us because despite being little Walter players i think we have been pretty clear when it comes to the dissatisfaction but i still worry some of posts concerning Walter have been drown out in favor of Wendy.

 

8 hours ago, renamoe said:

Also, I just have to say—I love your emoji, it's really cute! (˶◜ᵕ◝˶)

Thank you!!! they help to express stuff better without making it look like im being mean |₋ॢọ̶̶̷̥᷅๑)‧˚⁺

[Fengfan Hertz]

I will post a modification suggestion about Wendy's skill tree in 7 hours (it will not increase damage too much, aiming to improve Abigail's survival ability. There will also be some new mechanisms aimed at making Wendy more interesting. Personally, I think most of them can find similarities in the mechanisms from Hunger, and the difficulty of code implementation is not too high.)
I hope everyone can comment instead of posting too much emotional content.
PS: Due to daily posting restrictions, I will not reply to some useless things.

•  你完全可以使用中文对开发团队进行意见反馈，并没有什么规定说这里只能用English。 

If you use a Chinese application, you can try posting in English. Most people won't pay attention to the language they don't understand (there was a similar incident before this topic post)The post will not gain popularity, so naturally no one will see it.

如果你使用中文应用，你可以尝试使用英文发贴，大多数人不会关注他们所不懂的语言（在这个主题帖前面就有相似的一次了）帖子不会获得热度，自然没人看见。

[No_light]

13 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

Wendy 确实有很多有趣的机制

 

格式塔阿比盖尔，

屠杀生物作为对古老“不要饿死”的纪念

迁移坟墓并赋予其更多意义

喝下她自己的灵丹妙药，使自己获得夜视能力（WX-78，你好？）

新的阿比盖尔命令，带有新的动画和机制

 

沃尔特得到了什么：

弹药，

更多弹药，

弹弓飞得快，

woby 速度快，woby 挖洞，woby 2 技能无用，woby 几乎什么都不做

苦艾技能树副本作为弹药

 

（温迪的技能树几乎完美，而沃尔特的技能树有一些有趣的机制，我非常喜欢它，但其中太多只是一些弹药和更多的制作弹药）

过度热心只是轻描淡写。中国有数十万 DST 玩家，但只有少数有毒、不成熟的孩子在论坛上斥责、侮辱和轰炸游戏评论。

95% 的中国玩家真的不在乎。5% 的人只是投入太多，而且真的有问题。类似于对原神的评价轰炸、企图谋杀原神 CEO、因为修复错误而提起诉讼…… 

 

他们不是中国人。他们不代表中国人。他们代表的是少数恶毒的少数派。确实有 1 或 2 个用户是出于善意、尊重他人并提供了宝贵的反馈。其余的都令人无法忍受。

由于人口众多，网络恶搞和恶意攻击也随之增多。幸运的是，大多数中国人其实都是正常而善良的人，我和他们有过接触。

Oh! Have you really played Walter
Isn't a more varied variety of ammunition a new and interesting mechanic
Like gunpowder ammunition, it can explode with a certain chance
Glass ammunition can increase AOE
Despair Stone ammo can have a chance not to be destroyed
Sticky ammo made of honey even has a high slowdown
And about woby
Woby can even dig up rare items like the Pan Flute
Woby2 skills are useless All I can say is that you really haven't played Walter
Woby wears a first-class Medal of Courage, which allows Walter to be beaten by the boss without being thrown down
Woby has a Level 1 Support Medal, which reduces Walter's durability by 85% when he is defeated by a boss
Is he really useless
And, of course, the slingshot you mentioned is fast
You seem to have only mentioned the handle of his modded accessory
There's not even a mention of his magazine, which can fire ammo in another way to achieve a new way of firing and effect, and the Scavenger magazine can even hold an infinite number of bullets
Is he really as boring as you say?

I really recommend giving Walter a try, he's really much better than he used to be
Sorry, this text is machine translated, and I don't speak English very well, but I really think Walter is more interesting than he used to be, although he's not perfect yet

[Fengfan Hertz]

于 2024 年 12 月 8 日下午 6：53，renamoe 说：

我的第一篇文章是 Wendy 最近的技能树更新的中文社区之声，其中我强调了中文社区对技能树的负面反馈。

你有在这个论坛上上传顾咕鸡视频下的评论吗？

[renamoe]

8 minutes ago, Fengfan Hertz said:

你有在这个论坛上上传顾咕鸡视频下的评论吗？

Sorry, I’m replying from my phone, so I might not be able to respond as thoroughly.

As far as I know, I didn’t upload comments from the video to this forum. I’ve recently watched his video, though, and I assume it was released after my first post?

If you have time, it would be a great help if you could translate some of it for the community—of course, with kindness and fairness. Thank you!