ShadowDuelist Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 27 minutes ago, Lee lol said: Why is Wendy the only character other than Wes to have 0.75 attack damage? It is suggested that Walter's attack damage be adjusted to 0.75 as well, since he is also a young boy and basically only rides on Warby's back for ranged attacks.(isn't about nerfing but consistency) Wendy being weak alone but stronger than most when working with her sister is very poetic: “A bond that trascends death itself, and makes them stronger than they ever were on their own” Also It is never referenced that she doesn’t hit hard because she’s a little girl, maybe that’s just how she is, a lot of people are just physically weak due to a lot of reasons (Wes being another example). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacco Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 8 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: Counterpoint: Walter says he is wimpy when eating chilly powder. and if he examines the mighty gym he says "wow, i wonder if i could be as strong as Mr. Wolfgang one day..." Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 2 hours ago, arubaro said: She having 150 doesnt make sense "lore" wise This lore? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 3 hours ago, arubaro said: Isnt about nerfing but consistency. Walter and wicker has less hp. Wolfgang and wigfrid has more, meanwhile wendy which has a summon gets 150 which is the ammount for a regular adult man like wilson or woodie (and actually, he being a lumberjack makes him deserve 175 instead of wimpy wilson ammount) She having 150 doesnt make sense mechanically or "lore" wise Okay.. but doesn’t Wurt who is canonically 4 years old have 300hp? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted December 1, 2024 Author Share Posted December 1, 2024 21 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: Okay.. but doesn’t Wurt who is canonically 4 years old have 300hp? Adult merms have 500hp.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 28 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: Okay.. but doesn’t Wurt who is canonically 4 years old have 300hp? 4 years old but have strong fish belly (seriously Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee lol Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 56 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said: Wendy being weak alone but stronger than most when working with her sister is very poetic: “A bond that trascends death itself, and makes them stronger than they ever were on their own” Also It is never referenced that she doesn’t hit hard because she’s a little girl, maybe that’s just how she is, a lot of people are just physically weak due to a lot of reasons (Wes being another example). Since you think that Wendy's 0.75 attack is due to Kelei's setting and not because of her age, then I think Walter's 130 HP is also very reasonable, since in Kelei he is a boy who is afraid of getting hurt. Although Wendy is a little girl, she is strong and not afraid of getting hurt, but Walter is different, he is afraid of getting hurt, so his HP limit is lower. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 3 minutes ago, Lee lol said: Since you think that Wendy's 0.75 attack is due to Kelei's setting and not because of her age, then I think Walter's 130 HP is also very reasonable, since in Kelei he is a boy who is afraid of getting hurt. Although Wendy is a little girl, she is strong and not afraid of getting hurt, but Walter is different, he is afraid of getting hurt, so his HP limit is lower. Yeah also some people are strong as in sports or being able to lift heavy objects strong, but weak in terms of health or easy to get hurt. I see low HP as just being overall less resistant or with worse health, and it’s unrelated to how well they perform doing things. Maxwell hints that he could have a heart condition, making him frail. Walter is allergic to bees and probably generally less resistant than the average person, just not as bad as Maxwell. But he is still normal in terms of strenght. Wes would be the example of someone who is bad at everything and also weak and with poor health. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 All things considered while I don't care if they touch her hp she is the odd one outwithout a explanation among the kids. Webber's hp is higher because he's a mutant, Wurt's is because she's a merm, Walter's is lower because he's a kid Wendy is supposedly frail and even if she weren't her background should make her far less durable than a scout who regularly travels deep into the woods he's clearly a tough kid just mentally weak to pain. When you really think about it though not only in terms of hp stomach sizes should probably also be more varied among the cast in general. I don't really think dropping her hp is necessary though but if they did I think a neat addition would be that her max hp and sanity are lower when Abigail isn't around to further represent her dependence on her. Though keep in mind she is the beginner character so leaving her as is would probably be for the best. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 1 hour ago, ShadowDuelist said: Wendy being weak alone but stronger than most when working with her sister is very poetic: “A bond that trascends death itself, and makes them stronger than they ever were on their own” Also It is never referenced that she doesn’t hit hard because she’s a little girl, maybe that’s just how she is, a lot of people are just physically weak due to a lot of reasons (Wes being another example). Ah that's nice! I didn't see it from this perspective. Maybe her sister's presence does indeed strengthen her (in an emotional sense) Thanks for mentioning this 1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said: Okay.. but doesn’t Wurt who is canonically 4 years old have 300hp? I always considered this part of her being a "baby" monster ^^' Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidankocherhans Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 If she has both reduced damage and reduced health she would be too much like Wes when Abigail is dead for a beginner friendly character. The non monster children each have a physical weakness, but they can't have every weakness at once when they're meant to appeal to newer players Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardee Posted December 2, 2024 Share Posted December 2, 2024 The problem about consistency is that it works both ways. If you want Wendy's health to be only 125 because she's a kid, then Walter and Wickerbottom should deal less damage since there's no way a boy or an old lady can hit as hard as say, a young or middle-aged man (Wilson/Warly/Woodie/normal Wolfgang). Don't get me wrong. As a Wendy main, I would be totally fine with her HP being reduced, I just don't see consistency being a great reason to do so. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted December 2, 2024 Share Posted December 2, 2024 Her stats are the same as Wilson despite being like, 12yo. It's weird that a 12yo has the same stat line as a 30 something. The other children have different stat lines. that are less than the 150/200/150. Webber has +25 HP and Hunger because he is part spider now, but -100 less sanity. Walter has -20 hp, -40 Hunger. Wurt has -50 Sanity. Wicker is old and has -25HP but +50 sanity. Just seems reasonable that Wendy would have -25 through -20 hp. or some other stat reduced. Yes she doesn't hit as hard which can be explained due to her age but what about the other stats yknow? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siren11 Posted December 2, 2024 Share Posted December 2, 2024 Based on how I view health, I would say that the kids should have equivalent or higher health compared to the adults. Kids are generally healthy and resilient, and they can deal with getting hurt better than a lot of adults. If we want to be really pedantic, nerfing Wendy’s max hunger makes more sense. Kids eat like birds. But honestly, I’m not sure it makes sense to nerf any of Wendy’s stats for the sake of lore or gameplay. Her damage modifier is pretty noticeable if you’re not a really good player and you don’t always use a Beefalo to fight (which has gotten increasingly difficult). Plus it just brings up the issue of whether other characters should have their base stats/damage modifiers… no thank you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161636-reduce-max-wendy-health-to-100-or-125/page/2/#findComment-1766799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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