Should abigail hit shadow in gestal form?

[arubaro]

Curious about what thinks the community. 

Is already weird to see her becoming a gestal without much information about why she can to also see her not attacking shadows like their grotto's cousins.

What should be respected,  the lore or the gameplay? Because her downside always was active vs shadows since abi cant help her no matter how skilled is the player but gestals and shadows are enemies

[cyjs]

should pay some price，And it’s not a complete cleanup, it can only assist, otherwise it will occupy Bernie’s space.

[Reiko24]

2 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Curious about what thinks the community. 

Is already weird to see her becoming a gestal without much information about why she can to also see her not attacking shadows like their grotto's cousins.

What should be respected,  the lore or the gameplay? Because her downside always was active vs shadows since abi cant help her no matter how skilled is the player but gestals and shadows are enemies

Yes BUT, the damage is too big. She would just be a NF farming literally monster machine.

She would need some tweaks against nightmare creatures, like her getting damaged each time she "touches the shadows" or something.

[arubaro]

Just now, cyjs said:

should pay some price

I dont think she should deal 400 damage to shadows

Just now, Reiko24 said:

Yes BUT, the damage is too big. She would just be a NF farming literally monster machine.

She would need some tweaks against nightmare creatures, like her getting damaged each time she "touches the shadows" or something.

Oh, getting damaged is original and would balance it

[Reiko24]

1 minute ago, arubaro said:

I dont think she should deal 400 damage to shadows

Oh, getting damaged is original and would balance it

Yeah like her touching the Shadow creatures "stains" her lunar form. Still, damage should also be lowered... to 150?

[cropo]

I voted yes but after thinking about it for a few more seconds I'm not actually sure seeing as she does 400 damage and that would one-shot them. I still think she should attack shadows but it would feel weird nerfing her specifically for the shadows alone since to my knowledge there is no other situation where shadows have a built-in failsafe against a specific character.

[loopuleasa]

That would be hella strong tho

It would cover her greatest weakness atm

[cyjs]

Just now, arubaro said:

我认为她不应该对暗影造成 400 点伤害

If she causes an AOE attack on a shadow monster, she will be invincible in Ancient Riots. Honestly, I just wanted to be more interesting and attack one or two at some cost,Rather than being completely invincible

 

[arubaro]

3 minutes ago, cyjs said:

If she causes an AOE attack on a shadow monster, she will be invincible in Ancient Riots. Honestly, I just wanted to be more interesting and attack one or two at some cost,Rather than being completely invincible

 

Gestal form isn't aoe

[Lee Sy]

Yes, but still not worth for sacrificing AOE. And 400 damage is fatal to shadows, which also makes Willow's bear a joke.

[loopuleasa]

The whole "fighting shadows very well" is not really a Wendy thing

It's more of a Willow or Wanda thing

[cropo]

I'd actually prefer Bernie didn't attack shadows myself, especially since she no longer has to be insane to have Bernie out. 


Yeah the more I think about it, I retract my yes vote, having her gestalt form constantly aggroing shadows would be annoying.

[purelove]

Increase the difficulty, increase the coping style

[cyjs]

We can have Abigail dash attack to cause damage to shadow monsters, 100 points each time. It can repel shadow monsters, but not kill them. It requires a long CD and casting action. It is necessary to distance yourself from the shadow monster in advance to test the player's judgment. If Abi is allowed to fight the shadow monster alone, it will occupy Willow's space.

[thetheubr]

Just make sure it doesn't drop nightmare fuel like the greater gestalts when they kill nightmares

[purelove]

11 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

The whole "fighting shadows very well" is not really a Wendy thing

It's more of a Willow or Wanda thing

Please take a look at my general idea, I in my own thinking, how to achieve the wishes of all Wendy players to carry out their own vision, I hope you can take a look at it in my post, I left a reset after the clearer skill tree, so as to better understand, also roughly sketched, so as to indicate the desired skill tree background

[arubaro]

Just now, thetheubr said:

Just make sure it doesn't drop nightmare fuel like the greater gestalts when they kill nightmares

Still it would remove a danger becauss abi can one shot them but great idea

[thetheubr]

And make sure it doesn't increase sanity, like Bernie

[Mike23Ua]

If Bernie gets an update to be at least semi decent at dealing with hordes of mobs while on fire? I mean yeah sure maybe… but otherwise the two characters had distinct roles that they had to lean into.

With that said: Willow got her OWN ways outside of Bernie to interact with hordes of mobs in her Pyromancy perks (Kamehameha blast anyone?)

And Wendy… well Wendy literally has no perks to herself outside of Abigail.

I guess that is the developers design intent but man does it sure suck when Willow has cool items and abilities PLUS an AI Follower, and Wendy just has well an AI Follower.

(& also on beta the ability to move graves for base decor?)

The “Haunt” Ability command will be interesting to see what Klei does with at least, cause that’ll give Wendy something uniquely hers that doesn’t just feel like “Why am I even playing as Wendy anymore??? Willow has a AI Follower too, Plus a cool lighter, plus immunity to all fire damage, plus her own cool super abilities.. Is Willow the new Wendy 2.0?”

Because I’ve legit asked myself this question before.

1 hour ago, thetheubr said:

Just make sure it doesn't drop nightmare fuel like the greater gestalts when they kill nightmares

Can’t you just destroy dark petals to turn them into nightmare fuel? Or can’t you just command Abby to haunt heads on a stick to hammer them down outside of a full moon night to obtain nightmare fuel? Do any of Wendy’s abilities even use Nightmare Fuel??? Lol I always wanted to shove a stack of it into the Sisturn though.. just to see what would happen.

[grm9]

she could make killed nightmares neither give you sanity nor drop loot, like grotto gestalts    

[Mike23Ua]

Yikes.. I did not see the pole vote results, now I’m deeply worried that some people simply do not grasp the concept of having a Downside.  

[Ohan]

No way, thats bernie’s thing.