[Poll] On Crops and Farming

[GetNerfedOn]

[Radicaljoe]

I think the farming system itself is fine. It's the issue of what we can do with those crops. Like, who besides Warly is making garlic and pepper? In a crockpot, they have like 1 recipe each. Now look at potato, good by itself, simple to farm, exists in 3 seasons, and has a couple crockpot recipes. 

Well, I can think of one person who farms peppers. It's that one guy that grows a ton of peppers and feeds them to Bearger to kill him.

[arubaro]

I play warly so is the only reason i farm other stuff than tomatoes and potatoes.

The nutrient system is a genius idea but badly balanced.

Versatil and good veggies shouldn't combo with other good veggies.

Veggies that only grow on specific season should have better dishes, stats or  used on crafting repices.

The system rewards good veggies while punish bad ones

[Radicaljoe]

2 minutes ago, arubaro said:

The nutrient system is a genius idea but badly balanced.

I would love if there were more 2 crop combos. Like the 2 tomato 1 dragon fruit, or 2 watermelon 1 onion.

[BalkanCockroach]

I plant whatever i have and remove the weeds.

[GetNerfedOn]

13 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said:

I would love if there were more 2 crop combos. Like the 2 tomato 1 dragon fruit, or 2 watermelon 1 onion.

we'd have four more if they added the missing crop that has mixed 2 manure, 2 growth formula consumption, and 4 compost production

[stefunny]

I farm frequently but tbh I don't often take advantage of crop combos/bother with the nutrient mechanics - mostly whatever I have and more importantly, what's about to spoil first lol. (I prioritize "clearing stock" bc I get stressed when I have too many seeds as I don't wanna be "wasteful" lol)

My current long term world is Wig so my veggies are only used for filler, my beefalos (tho tbh they don't get much food these days now that they're tamed... oops) and my pet. Sometimes I do try for giant crops but it's more for decoration/collection purposes, not so much for maximizing output. That said I do get a tiny bit of feel-good neurotransmitters whenever I see a giant crop appear unexpectedly XD

If/when I want to fight any bosses on a beef, I might plant a bit more toma roots/potatoes to prep, but that's about it! 

 

[Mr.Oshiro]

As Radicaljoe said, the farming system itself is fine, but the question is what these crops can be used for.I support KLEI adding more crops, but the premise is that they all have suitable and interesting uses, otherwise they are just one of the fillers.

I really want to have jars to handle these crops, make them into jam/pickles/preserves, make their shelf life long and have a little bit of special functionality, it must be very interesting.

[Cats_On_Fire]

2 hours ago, Mr.Oshiro said:

As Radicaljoe said, the farming system itself is fine, but the question is what these crops can be used for.I support KLEI adding more crops, but the premise is that they all have suitable and interesting uses, otherwise they are just one of the fillers.

I really want to have jars to handle these crops, make them into jam/pickles/preserves, make their shelf life long and have a little bit of special functionality, it must be very interesting.

Please god just give us a preserve jar or a keg comon give us a use for a massive excessive in food

[Echsrick]

in private? i use old farms because if your alone the new farms are just too time consuming and you get way too much

otherwise....i just get what i get, maybe i get a seed back from it maybe not who knows

[Jakepeng99]

Nobody farming watermelons is so real.

[Bumber64]

7 hours ago, arubaro said:

Veggies that only grow on specific season should have better dishes, stats or  used on crafting repices.

There aren't any that don't grow in a season. They just grow more slowly, so you would have to plant more of them.

This only really causes an issue when one crop is in season while the other isn't, since they're using nutrients at different rates.

3 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Nobody farming watermelons is so real.

You can grow them with onions at a 2:1 ratio, after which you can just eat them for sanity.

Would probably just find another combo now that banana shakes make them so inferior year round.

[Jakepeng99]

16 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

You can grow them with onions at a 2:1 ratio, after which you can just eat them for sanity.

Would probably just find another combo now that banana shakes make them so inferior year round.

They were always severly undertuned.

 

Just 7.5 sainity for a cooked watermelon. Cooked cactus is 15.

Melonsickle is 20 i think (or 33) but either way its an inefficent sainity source even without bananas.

[Evelo]

There is no Tomato. Only Toma Root.

21 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Nobody farming watermelons is so real.

Guess I am nobody then.

I'd farm Forget-Me-Lots and Tillweed if they had seeds I could plant. Having to rely on LotFF, while also having a fast rot time isn't something I really desire to farm for.

[Radicaljoe]

I feel like Forget-me-lots would be cooler if they didn't make themselves useless because you left them alone too long. bolstering is cool, and I get that they're weeds and supposed to be bad. However, they also tie a cool and interesting crockpot dish to it, which upsets me slightly.

[Cheggf]

I plant everything as everyone, except dragonfruit is a Warly crop and the weeds are a nobody crop.

On 11/14/2024 at 10:38 AM, Radicaljoe said:

Like, who besides Warly is making garlic and pepper? In a crockpot, they have like 1 recipe each.

Garlic & pepper are some of the best crops nutritionally and their three recipes are some of the best recipes in the game.

On 11/14/2024 at 10:38 AM, Radicaljoe said:

Now look at potato, good by itself, simple to farm, exists in 3 seasons, and has a couple crockpot recipes. 

Potato only has one single crockpot recipe that isn't either literally or effectively Warly exclusive, and it requires garlic which you just disparaged. 

[Echsrick]

33 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

I plant everything as everyone, except dragonfruit is a Warly crop and the weeds are a nobody crop.

Garlic & pepper are some of the best crops nutritionally and their three recipes are some of the best recipes in the game.

Potato only has one single crockpot recipe that isn't either literally or effectively Warly exclusive, and it requires garlic which you just disparaged. 

not sure if serious or not but there more then one potato pot food, that being spiraled tubers and creamy potato puree wich both are NOT WARLY only

[Cheggf]

54 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

not sure if serious or not but there more then one potato pot food, that being spiraled tubers and creamy potato puree wich both are NOT WARLY only

Tubers is basically a Warly dish with how bad it is. 

[Bumber64]

20 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Just 7.5 sainity for a cooked watermelon. Cooked cactus is 15.

Cactus hurts you and can't be planted.

The main benefit is that you're getting free melons with your salsa and dragonpie.

4 melons : 2 onions : 2 toma : 1 d.fruit

You can just eat them raw at that point and store the good stuff for later. You could also use them as the salsa filler, if you were inclined.

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If not making salsa, then you've got 1:1:1 on onion/garlic/d.fruit instead. Onion can be used for veggie burgers. Garlic will be filler for beefy greens or pierogis. You'll need lureplants and this isn't a Wurt option. No wasted effort on melons, however.

With banana shakes (or jelly salad) it gets really simple. 2:1 on toma to d.fruit. You're just growing health recovery, and are now free of the onion.

[Evelo]

3 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

The main benefit is that you're getting free melons with your salsa and dragonpie

This guy gets it.

[Mr.Oshiro]

21 hours ago, Cheggf said:

I plant everything as everyone, except dragonfruit is a Warly crop and the weeds are a nobody crop.

Garlic & pepper are some of the best crops nutritionally and their three recipes are some of the best recipes in the game.

Potato only has one single crockpot recipe that isn't either literally or effectively Warly exclusive, and it requires garlic which you just disparaged. 

“the best recipes in the game” lol

Pepper popper only restores 30 HP, which isn't as good as common dishes like Perogies and Fishsticks. It even lowers sanity.

Mashed potatoes require two potatoes and garlic, so why don't I just make two tubers, or I just need tomatoes for spicy vegstinger, as tomatoes are very common. As for restoring health, simply bake the potatoes and eat them.

Cultivating these two crops is a long process, starting from random sowing, then cultivating corresponding crops, and finally forming a scale, which requires a lot of time. However, their own value is poor, the dishes are not outstanding, and their greatest role is still tied by Wally, so it is difficult to see where they are good.

On 11/15/2024 at 12:45 AM, Radicaljoe said:

I would love if there were more 2 crop combos. Like the 2 tomato 1 dragon fruit, or 2 watermelon 1 onion.

On 11/16/2024 at 1:29 AM, Jakepeng99 said:

They were always severly undertuned.

 

Just 7.5 sainity for a cooked watermelon. Cooked cactus is 15.

Melonsickle is 20 i think (or 33) but either way its an inefficent sainity source even without bananas.

I usually use reference picture directly, and if the crops I want have suitable combinations, I will use them.

[Cheggf]

1 hour ago, Mr.Oshiro said:

“the best recipes in the game” lol

A good way to get people to read what you said is to start comments like this.

[Bumber64]

7 hours ago, Mr.Oshiro said:

Mashed potatoes require two potatoes and garlic, so why don't I just make two tubers, or I just need tomatoes for spicy vegstinger, as tomatoes are very common. As for restoring health, simply bake the potatoes and eat them.

Two tubers take longer to cook, spoil faster, use extra filler, amount to half the max stack size, twice the eating time, and you lose the healing. If you're eating a cooked potato, that's 3 potatoes for the stats. You lose a bunch of hunger with the puree, but that's the most common stat.

Stingers are an alternative, but require ice. (I don't care to go out and mine it personally.) You'll be using asparagus in winter, replacing garlic's role. If you've got tomatoes, you might as well make salsa for identical stats. (If losing hunger was a concern for puree, the veggie requirement for stinger presents the same issue. Winona benefits from favorite.)

[Mr.Oshiro]

8 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Two tubers take longer to cook, spoil faster, use extra filler, amount to half the max stack size, twice the eating time, and you lose the healing. If you're eating a cooked potato, that's 3 potatoes for the stats. You lose a bunch of hunger with the puree, but that's the most common stat.

Puree take 20 seconds, while cooking tubers only takes 15 seconds. You can use multiple cook pots to cook at the same time, and no one rules that you can only use one pot. The value of different fillers varies greatly, and often you don't need to specifically collect food, The monster meat spilled from cleaning spider nests (in exchange for eggs), the twigs used to make tools,and other food spilled for various reasons are already abundant. These things are already difficult to consume, and there is no reason to plant rare crops.In the vast majority of cases, you either lack sanity (using tools that consume sanity or staying in caves for long periods of time), or lack health (fighting with bosses), and there is basically no situation where both are lacking（Unless you don't want to use Bee Queen Crown in battles with Ancient Fuelweaver）, so the therapeutic effect is completely unnecessary, which does not improve the value of puree. If you have time to cultivate garlic, less than a second of consumption time is nothing. Yes, I admit that even a slight deviation can accumulate, but how many servings can you eat?

8 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Stingers are an alternative, but require ice. (I don't care to go out and mine it personally.) You'll be using asparagus in winter, replacing garlic's role. If you've got tomatoes, you might as well make salsa for identical stats. (If losing hunger was a concern for puree, the veggie requirement for stinger presents the same issue. Winona benefits from favorite.)

Do you plant crops for the purpose of restoring hunger with them or their dishes (excluding special characters)? If not, why should we care about that little bit of hunger? Restoring hunger is not their responsibility (if you really try to restore hunger with crops, please ignore me, everyone has their own gameplay, I will show respect). Salsa not only requires tomatoes but also onions, which are a rare crop that also takes a lot of time to scale up. And making Stingers can use any vegetable, mushrooms (The cave mushroom forest provides almost unlimited mushrooms that can be directly harvested), seaweed, and so on, which are more convenient than cultivating onions. Therefore, compared with Stingers, the value of Salsa is much lower.

[Bumber64]

16 hours ago, Mr.Oshiro said:

Puree take 20 seconds, while cooking tubers only takes 15 seconds. You can use multiple cook pots to cook at the same time, and no one rules that you can only use one pot. The value of different fillers varies greatly, and often you don't need to specifically collect food

You can cook 2 purees faster than you can cook 2 tubers, let alone 4. Even with the optimal number of pots, you're still wasting time putting twice as many ingredients into the UI.

I tend to use honey as filler. You're going to be using 2 honey/eggs/ice for 2 tubers, or 1 for 1 puree. And then 4 twigs versus 1 garlic.

16 hours ago, Mr.Oshiro said:

Do you plant crops for the purpose of restoring hunger with them or their dishes (excluding special characters)? If not, why should we care about that little bit of hunger?

As I said, most common stat. I can eat raw monster meat as Webber or WW. Anyone besides Wurt just needs some intermediate steps (or healing).

It's why I don't care about the hunger lost from the puree. Similarity a non-factor for stinger, personally.

16 hours ago, Mr.Oshiro said:

Salsa not only requires tomatoes but also onions, which are a rare crop that also takes a lot of time to scale up. And making Stingers can use any vegetable, mushrooms (The cave mushroom forest provides almost unlimited mushrooms that can be directly harvested), seaweed, and so on, which are more convenient than cultivating onions. Therefore, compared with Stingers, the value of Salsa is much lower.

You're probably going to find onions while looking for dragon fruit, etc. Since you're forced to fertilize if you don't balance nutrients, onions exist as a byproduct of certain combinations.

Enjoy your ratatouille, I guess? The tomato/asparagus doesn't count towards the veggie value. Because the ice takes a slot, you still need a 1.0 veggie on top of shroom/kelp. This might as well be an onion, because the non-crop alternative is stone fruit.

With salsa you can use any 2 of ice/honey/shroom/kelp/berry.