Ok, which dst streamer/youtuber is responsible for such a widespread delusion?

[Maxposting]

2 hours ago, PunkShark said:

First, the mirror. The mirror in the stageplay was first thought to be Them. But looking at it. It makes much more sense for it to be Metheus, the torchbearer.

I disagree with that assessment. If the Mirror is not supposed to be the shadow entity at all but just the Torchbearer, then we will fundamentally know even less about the Shadows and the entity.

It's also completely unclear what "fixing" the Mirror implies if it's the Torchbearer. This could be simply getting a physical form, but them making more Shadow Rifts still doesn't align with the Torchbearer's character opposing the Shadows, so the only explanation ends up with her and Charlie helping the Shadow Entity, at least for now (until the Torchbearer betrays Them and possibly Charlie). And I sorta don't think this plot is going to happen for several reasons.

[cropo]

Simply having "herald" in their title/name makes me think back to Hamlet yet again, as the titular boss of the expansion is the ancient herald followed by the darkness completely overtaking the moon symbol and turning it permanently black. Wonder if there's any connection and if the stuff I was saying like 2 years ago is actually having some relevancy or if it's just a coincidence.

Although the masks being able to take over dead players kinda throws a lot of my assumptions about the differences of shadow/lunar in the garbage...even though the play itself seems to be more of an ad for team shadow asking for the users consent to "benefit" from them so I'm just confused.

[PunkShark]

49 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

I disagree with that assessment. If the Mirror is not supposed to be the shadow entity at all but just the Torchbearer, then we will fundamentally know even less about the Shadows and the entity.

It's also completely unclear what "fixing" the Mirror implies if it's the Torchbearer. This could be simply getting a physical form, but them making more Shadow Rifts still doesn't align with the Torchbearer's character opposing the Shadows, so the only explanation ends up with her and Charlie helping the Shadow Entity, at least for now (until the Torchbearer betrays Them and possibly Charlie). And I sorta don't think this plot is going to happen for several reasons.

All the points are leading to Metheus being the mirror. But it doesn't change anything of what we already know. Metheus is still going to open up the gateway, for what reason we don't know. But if it's anything like the rest of the shadows and the ones that speak to us. It's to convert us into the shadows. The heralds make that pretty clear.
Metheus ultimate goal is the exact opposite of the fuelweaver. He wants to keep it closed, she wants it open. drawing a paralel between the 2.
It's possible the torchbearer's mind is no longer the same, look at Maxwell for example. Becoming part with the shadows changes you. And it has likely changed Metheus as well. Like a giant hivemind that serves its leader. We know by shadows that being liberated is like immortality. You don't need to eat, sleep, worry about survival. They think it's the greatest thing that has happened to them. Wether or not that's because they're being steered like a puppet on strings or if simply becoming part with the shadows makes you part of the hivemind. By the looks of Charlie's face. she's on board with this and Metheus' plans.
 

[Maxposting]

45 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

And it has likely changed Metheus as well. Like a giant hivemind that serves its leader.

I know, however if this is the case, I'd say this is just a boring fate for the torchbearer's character? (They can't have any proper character stakes anymore.) There's still no explanation for what "fixing" the Torchbearer means- and this is an important promise Charlie made to the Mirror.
It makes way more sense to me if the Shadow Entity needs more shadows in the Constant for itself to cross over and fully control the lower shadows (fixing itself in terms of power and disconnect from the Constant).

Besides, if Torchbearer/Metheus is the Mirror, then Maxwell did a horrible job at hiding her, because we know Maxwell could move and bend shadows (he literally hides himself and the shadow throne), so the Torchbearer in her shadow form couldn't have been an actual threat to him. For me it makes sense Charlie encountered the Shadow Entity in the gateway (which Maxwell couldn't just hide away), got presumably killed by the Fuelweaver and then ressurected afterwards.

There's also the obligatory TheM(irror) thing because we know how silly Klei is with letters.

[Mr Giggio]

On 10/25/2024 at 3:59 AM, Szczuku said:

Who tf is resposible for this lore confusion?

A lot of people really mess those up and I would love to have a reliable source to keep up some tracks cuz all I know is what I guess and as a content creator never touched that cuz missinformation is cringe. No "I guess" no "it seems like that way". If I dont know thats not a thing.

Really would appreciate if u know a source reliable with evidence cuz yes its missleading. Its even funnier cuz u did this post yesterday and today we got new big content creators doing the thing u complaining here over the halloween video. xD

[Wormboi]

18 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Tenebrau: Tenebro or Tenebruh?

Teneboo!

[Szczuku]

15 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

Really would appreciate if u know a source reliable with evidence cuz yes its missleading. Its even funnier cuz u did this post yesterday and today we got new big content creators doing the thing u complaining here over the halloween video. xD

Well, there's not really a 'source' since, like you said, in-game there's none. But here goes:

-Cyclum was a name of the comic/puzzle from way back when New Reign was starting. Metheus was the name of the puzzle with the ancient murals. And while Metheus was used in many other different places, Cyclum was naver brought back again. And yet because 'both are puzzles' some people assume that Cyclum also must be a name. It's not, it was never brought back again

-Metheus is the Ancient Torchbearer because: In the Axiom Visus cinematic on YT there's a secret message in the description that says 'Metheus is here' or something like that. And in that trailer we see Charlie carrying the ancient lunar torch. In the newest trailer we see that Charlie is possesed by the Ancient Torchbearer who has a flaming shadow head, just like Charlie's dark side did before they merged into queen charlie. So the Ancient Torchbearer was Charlie's dark side. And on top of that we have fuelweaver saying 'Metheus...' as he dies. Take all of those clues and you can figure out that the Ancient Torchbearer is called Metheus