Is single player dying (dead)?

[Reiko24]

9 hours ago, Uedo said:

He could buy a PC

That's the thing. I don't get it at all.

You can just have a PC and play games on a gamepad if that suits your fancy. PC isn't limited to keyboard and mouse. Why even bother with consoles, when they are extremely limited and are less prioritized than PC's in updates? Game consoles are an invention of the past, when plugging your computer to the TV and playing on your gamepad wasn't as widespread.

[cropo]

I'm not sure if this is still true but buying a pre-built PC was almost always a huge rip-off when I first got into it. I had to learn to build it, and any mistake could lead to a damaged 500$ or more part. In hindsight it wasn't actually that hard, but you can't tell me the mere notion of being made to handle a breakable 500+$ computer part and slot it into a computer with a specific motherboard requirement for its parts and a specific tower size needed to house everything. Then you get told you gotta get the epic most awesomest graphics card imagineable, but it turns out 90% of the games you play only care about the CPU and your 200-core CPU isn't optimized for said game. Want to upgrade Ram? Too bad, it's DDR4 or 5 or whatever number it is and you made your computer back when it was DDR3. 

I dread every time I have to tear open my PC and replace parts on it because I have to remember how to do it, have to do 200 checks to make sure it's the right part for my motherboard, and recently I bought a new graphic card but my Motherboard needed to update its bios to use it so I had to learn how to do that and was told that if I didn't update it in a very specific order I would permanently brick my computer from working again unless I did some insane manual-motherboard mega-reset that doesn't even involve turning on the computer. 


Sometimes people would rather buy a 500$ console, turn it on, download a game, and press play. 

[NPCMaxwell]

5 hours ago, cropo said:

I'm not sure if this is still true but buying a pre-built PC was almost always a huge rip-off when I first got into it. I had to learn to build it, and any mistake could lead to a damaged 500$ or more part. In hindsight it wasn't actually that hard, but you can't tell me the mere notion of being made to handle a breakable 500+$ computer part and slot it into a computer with a specific motherboard requirement for its parts and a specific tower size needed to house everything. Then you get told you gotta get the epic most awesomest graphics card imagineable, but it turns out 90% of the games you play only care about the CPU and your 200-core CPU isn't optimized for said game. Want to upgrade Ram? Too bad, it's DDR4 or 5 or whatever number it is and you made your computer back when it was DDR3. 

I dread every time I have to tear open my PC and replace parts on it because I have to remember how to do it, have to do 200 checks to make sure it's the right part for my motherboard, and recently I bought a new graphic card but my Motherboard needed to update its bios to use it so I had to learn how to do that and was told that if I didn't update it in a very specific order I would permanently brick my computer from working again unless I did some insane manual-motherboard mega-reset that doesn't even involve turning on the computer. 


Sometimes people would rather buy a 500$ console, turn it on, download a game, and press play. 

Still true, sadly, that's why I went from having pre-built second hand PCs ( definitely a rip-off even second hand) to self-built PCs (the nightmare you described perfectly above) to having second hand self-built PCs (best option, because someone had to fiddle with the hardware and I only have to care for repairing stuff if necessary, and I get something that is only /slightly/ outdated for the price that would be a completely outdated pre-built PC.)

[Uedo]

17 hours ago, benfroyobro9381 said:

I agree that single player "dying" is fine but saying you should buy another console is wild. It's an argument that ppl use way too much to justify the flaws of another platform without fixing them. It's like if a car you bought has barbed wire wrapped around the steering wheel, sandpaper chairs, but it's your fault for not buying a Ford or whatever. Also idk how this "section" of the forums isn't allowed for consoles. I may've misinterpreted you, but there's no need for gatekeeping. This discussion has nothing to do with any platform! Regardless, I think it's okay for Klei to leave single player behind. It's a finished product that got plenty of love and should be put to rest, unless Klei says otherwise. 

Consider it a recommendation to buy a PC then. Is that better?

Edit: Lets go back to being less metaphorical cause your analogy is wild. Mike has issues with the current state of DST on console, Mike has expressed this on a platform that the devs can see, Mike has said these things for years, Mikes posts have probably been seen, Mike hasn't had a return on his demands, Mike has a choice, Mike can buy a PC and eliminate his issues within the same day, Mike can also not, Mike probably won't get what he's asking for because Mike has been asking for years. 

What can Mike reasonable expect if he continues to be irked, and that's the point he's literally aggrieved by him not receiving his demands, and continuing to moan about it? Well probably a whole lot of nothing, suggesting him getting a PC is infinitely more helpful then providing him reassurance that he's absolutely right and the world is just terribly unfair and cruel. Let's be proportionate @benfroyobro9381, let's be helpful

And please don't throw around the word 'gatekeeping', I don't work for Klei, i'm in the same position as every player - I have no control on what he does, or Klei for that matter. Bit weird.

19 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’ll go over this one more time..

Players of DS on PC & PlayStation had to buy Reign of Giants as a Paid DLC expansion pack.

Players on Xbox got this DLC included as always being a core base part of the game when purchasing the game.

Players on PC, Xbox and PlayStation had to purchase Shipwrecked as a paid DLC expansion pack, Players on Nintendo Switch got the Shipwrecked DLC included as part of their core purchase.

And the DST got the RoG DLC for free as well included as a base core part of the game.

Theres never been a version of DS/DST on Xbox & Switch that did NOT come with Wigfrid & Webber, and for something PC & PlayStation knows as Extra DLC content- The other platforms only ever knew as being a core base part of the game.

I should also probably mention how PC players get a lot of “Freebie” Benefits, like NOT having to pay 15$ for DST and getting that Free from having played the Multiplayer Beta for DS, or purchasing Hamlet and instantly unlocking Wormwood in DST alongside that purchase.

Its confusing… but I speak truths.

 

@benfroyobro9381 - This is why we're talking about consoles and PC's, you can ask Mike why he brought the topic to discussion, I have no idea so don't look for an explanation off of me :P

[Mike23Ua]

9 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

That's the thing. I don't get it at all.

You can just have a PC and play games on a gamepad if that suits your fancy. PC isn't limited to keyboard and mouse. Why even bother with consoles, when they are extremely limited and are less prioritized than PC's in updates? Game consoles are an invention of the past, when plugging your computer to the TV and playing on your gamepad wasn't as widespread.

I’ve also explained this part a billion times before in the past too, a PC has to meet certain requirements, you have to have the right parts & upgrades etc to play your games, I remember when I used to game on Pc how when I wanted to play Balduors Gate or Black & White or one of their expansions how I would have to carefully read the label on the side of the box and make sure my PC meet every single one of those requirements. 

Meanwhile over in the console world side of gaming I know that any game with an X/S logo is going to run on my console & any games on lower end consoles as long as they’re in the backwards compatibility list- Is going to also run on my console.

But none of that is relevant to rather DS single player is “dying”, and in that regard- it’s only “Dead” if you don’t play it…

Now over on the console world (I have no idea how PC players see this term..) a “Dead Game” refers to a Multiplayer game, that has so few people playing it that it takes FOREVER to wait in a Queue to join a match.

Single player games don’t “die” because you don’t have to rely on having other players or even being “online” to play them.

(well Err most of them**)

You can consider a game “Dead” when either- A: It’s a Multiplayer game that requires multiple players to play (like Dead by Daylight) OR the developers Terminate the online servers for it making it not even playable in Single Player.

 

[Reiko24]

14 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’ve also explained this part a billion times before in the past too, a PC has to meet certain requirements, you have to have the right parts & upgrades etc to play your games, I remember when I used to game on Pc how when I wanted to play Balduors Gate or Black & White or one of their expansions how I would have to carefully read the label on the side of the box and make sure my PC meet every single one of those requirements. 

 

That is literally making a problem for yourself that does not exist. You can play a game even when the PC does not meet the requirements, albeit with lags.

 

You do not even need to have any knowledge of computer parts OR READ REQUIREMENTS, just buy a medium-end PC and you will be able to play most games. You made yourself think that meeting those requirements is necessary. No, it's not. As long as you are not using a PC that was good in 2015, things will run. It's just a matter of "don't have your PC too weak".

 

Console companies prey on people like you and make money off of you. Consoles are weaker than their PC counterparts, but they bait people with the sense of "easy plug and play", when a PC is almost the same.

 

 

[NPCMaxwell]

24 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’ve also explained this part a billion times before in the past too, a PC has to meet certain requirements, you have to have the right parts & upgrades etc to play your games, I remember when I used to game on Pc how when I wanted to play Balduors Gate or Black & White or one of their expansions how I would have to carefully read the label on the side of the box and make sure my PC meet every single one of those requirements. 

Meanwhile over in the console world side of gaming I know that any game with an X/S logo is going to run on my console & any games on lower end consoles as long as they’re in the backwards compatibility list- Is going to also run on my console.

But none of that is relevant to rather DS single player is “dying”, and in that regard- it’s only “Dead” if you don’t play it…

Now over on the console world (I have no idea how PC players see this term..) a “Dead Game” refers to a Multiplayer game, that has so few people playing it that it takes FOREVER to wait in a Queue to join a match.

Single player games don’t “die” because you don’t have to rely on having other players or even being “online” to play them.

(well Err most of them**)

You can consider a game “Dead” when either- A: It’s a Multiplayer game that requires multiple players to play (like Dead by Daylight) OR the developers Terminate the online servers for it making it not even playable in Single Player.

 

The sad thing about multiplayer servers getting shut down / neglected / searching a hundred years for other players on consoles is the saddest thing ever, considering fans of the game can't just "make" a bypass to it like it is kept being done to many old "almost forgotten" pc games.

And you're right about the struggle of trying to find out whether the PC game you found second hand or a newer PC game will even be running smoothly (or running at all!) on your current setup.

(that would also explain why I can play some xbox games only when specifically chosing a friend for multiplayer but when trying out "actual" random online multiplayer it just keeps gettings stuck at trying to find a match.)

9 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

That is literally making a problem for yourself that does not exist. You can play a game even when the PC does not meet the requirements, albeit with lags.

 

You do not even need to have any knowledge of computer parts OR READ REQUIREMENTS, just buy a medium-end PC and you will be able to play most games. You made yourself think that meeting those requirements is necessary. No, it's not. As long as you are not using a PC that was good in 2015, things will run. It's just a matter of "don't have your PC too weak".

 

Console companies prey on people like you and make money off of you. Consoles are weaker than their PC counterparts, but they bait people with the sense of "easy plug and play", when a PC is almost the same.

It's like choosing between a rock and a hard place.

Rock = pc needs to not be too weak, but not be too weak can become quite expensive depending on WHICH games you want to play and whether you are interested in next generation games, or if you can cope with lagging / less nice graphics (not everyone is like me who prefers replaying older games again and again or who doesn't mind graphics not looking TEH BEST)

Hard place = console games / game pass / season pass whatever pass thing being so expensive, you think a thousand times whether you even want to buy them in the first place. And of course no way to include mods

[SpoonyBardIV]

On 8/7/2024 at 1:48 AM, cropo said:

 Rather than import SP content to DST, I'd rather they imported DST content into Singleplayer. I like DST's caves MUCH better, I like not having to go through a load zone to get into the ruins. The caves could use some improvement still, but I still consider them more open and exciting to explore than Singleplayer.
 

It doesn't put the ruins on the same level like DST, but if you like the DST cave layout better I would highly recommend checking out this mod I made for single player DS. It ports over all the DST cave biomes and makes the caves bigger like they are in DST.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2979115038

[Toroic]

This has to be one of the most absurd threads I've ever read on the forums.

Don't Starve released 11 years ago, has had two DLCs and is still being supported with bugfixes and QoL.

Games are allowed to be done, and it's simply not viable for a developer to continue to work on a game forever, especially since DST is effectively a sequel already.

 

[Uedo]

3 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

That is literally making a problem for yourself that does not exist. You can play a game even when the PC does not meet the requirements, albeit with lags.

 

You do not even need to have any knowledge of computer parts OR READ REQUIREMENTS, just buy a medium-end PC and you will be able to play most games. You made yourself think that meeting those requirements is necessary. No, it's not. As long as you are not using a PC that was good in 2015, things will run. It's just a matter of "don't have your PC too weak".

 

Console companies prey on people like you and make money off of you. Consoles are weaker than their PC counterparts, but they bait people with the sense of "easy plug and play", when a PC is almost the same.

 

 

He's a bot, dw about it.

 

3 hours ago, NPCMaxwell said:

The sad thing about multiplayer servers getting shut down / neglected / searching a hundred years for other players on consoles is the saddest thing ever, considering fans of the game can't just "make" a bypass to it like it is kept being done to many old "almost forgotten" pc games.

And you're right about the struggle of trying to find out whether the PC game you found second hand or a newer PC game will even be running smoothly (or running at all!) on your current setup.

(that would also explain why I can play some xbox games only when specifically chosing a friend for multiplayer but when trying out "actual" random online multiplayer it just keeps gettings stuck at trying to find a match.)

It's like choosing between a rock and a hard place.

Rock = pc needs to not be too weak, but not be too weak can become quite expensive depending on WHICH games you want to play and whether you are interested in next generation games, or if you can cope with lagging / less nice graphics (not everyone is like me who prefers replaying older games again and again or who doesn't mind graphics not looking TEH BEST)

Hard place = console games / game pass / season pass whatever pass thing being so expensive, you think a thousand times whether you even want to buy them in the first place. And of course no way to include mods

Extra bonus, is emulation. We can literally emulate consoles. So realistically yes, depending on if you do that we can play both. 
(only if you own the bios though, naughty! )

[NPCMaxwell]

36 minutes ago, Uedo said:

He's a bot, dw about it.

 

Extra bonus, is emulation. We can literally emulate consoles. So realistically yes, depending on if you do that we can play both. 
(only if you own the bios though, naughty! )

Emulation (especially DOSBOX and virtual machine) is my best friend, especially when it comes to VERY OLD games or still using literally all of my old cdroms :'3

Another best friend of PC gamers is definitely and will always be archive.org ^^