A separate argument addressing shortcomings of Wigfrid's kit while acknowledging her overwhelming power.

[chirsg]

Wigfrid is a monster. If she stays as is, she remains perhaps the character the most suited to combat and a combat playstyle. If you like to fight, choose Wigfrid. if you aren't Wigfrid and are looking for an ally in combat, call to Wigfrid. 

The beauty of her, is that she doesn't really reign over the other combat characters. Out the box, Woodie is a unit. Woodie being Woodie at day 1 roused the conversations of skill trees being fully unlocked being pushed back on each individual world. 

Early game Wolfgang has a fresh hambat that clears over 100 damage and it's not unreasonable for even the most greenest of players to have a hambat before the first full moon.

And Wanda is Wanda. You can get just shy of 150 damage per hit in the hands of an experienced player and a skilled one can actively dodge damage with good combat knowledge.

Maxwell has a beefalo niche of having Wolfgang levels of damage after mastering the caves.

 

Stating these characters and their power only demonstrates how strong Wigfrid is. Se can actually hang with the big dogs, The chief big dog being Wolfgang, and it's in the name. WOLFgang. Wolf being the analogue to the BIG DOG. Canis lupis, no familiaris. 

 

In almost every single combat application after she beats the celestial champion, she's above average.

-She's got AOE better than Wolfgang and Wanda, while having the flexibility of taking advantage of high damage on a single target in conjunction with the enlightened crown.

-She's got bigger damage on a single target than Woodie

-She's got potential for taking less damage than Woodie 

-She's got a combat niche on the back of a beefalo too. On ANY beefalo. She's a good damage dealer even on a rider, the weakest beefalo. 

 

Saying all this, the shortcomings of her kit, are things that actually should never be used. 
Both of her affinity songs actually don't have a place in any game world. Like, literally. If you see the enlightened lullaby and dark lament, what you witness before you is the most elaborately crafted piece of firewood you could possibly lay your hands on. It's better off used to fire up the scaled furnace's new incinerate function than to waste precious bytes, contributing to the clutter of the world. 

Having these songs adjusted to a point where it's sensible wouldn't be the greatest instance of breaking the game. Bottom line, each of the respective affinity songs do not have a place in the game and if you see a Wigfrid with either of these songs, it is the in game equivalent of falling for a chain email scam about a foreign deposed prince asking a random citizen for financial help.

 

I would have brought up the commander's helm, but with the introduction of multiple frostjaws, I have to shelve my agenda and acknowledge that commander's helm is an excellent tool in dealing with multiple frostjaws. I actually like the possibility of fighting more than one boss and taking advantage of strange tactics that don't have a use outside of it. 

 

That's really my main gripe. It's the affinity songs. They suck. Badly.

Personally, I don't see the value in the shield and other stingers, but some others do. I'll leave the criticism of those parts of the game to people who have "Mastered" that part of her kit. The shield to me is just an expensive saucer that gets outdamaged by a ham bat, and dodging stage 3 rook for free rather than wasting 4 gold is something that suits me more, but people like the shield. Who am I to ask for any sort of change to it?

 

In summations, Wigfrid great character. Doesn't step on the other big dog's toes really. She still doesn't maintain full synergy with Warly's dishes, but in the face of her powerful kit, she doesn't really need to. But it's just her affinity songs that are the excrement of the aforementioned big dogs. Dog***t.

 

If anyone has anything to add, feel free. If you disagree, I've been expecting you

[RainBO_OM]

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

Both of her affinity songs actually don't have a place in any game world. Like, literally. If you see the enlightened lullaby and dark lament, what you witness before you is the most elaborately crafted piece of firewood you could possibly lay your hands on. It's better off used to fire up the scaled furnace's new incinerate function than to waste precious bytes, contributing to the clutter of the world. 

Couldn't say any better. CC attacks long enough that inspiration just fades below third buff. FW being only time you can make Bel Canto of Courage useful, you can't swap any buff for 10% damage. They make no sense, no matter what new mob will be added to sides, honorable mention to planar creatures being very uninspiring in fights.

Honestly it feels like shes a bit hated by devs at this point because they have to add song remix to every new battle music, which we don't get often but still, they are amazing

[Masked Koopa]

3 hours ago, chirsg said:

-She's got AOE better than Wolfgang and Wanda, while having the flexibility of taking advantage of high damage on a single target in conjunction with the enlightened crown.

-She's got bigger damage on a single target than Woodie

-She's got potential for taking less damage than Woodie 

-She's got a combat niche on the back of a beefalo too. On ANY beefalo. She's a good damage dealer even on a rider, the weakest beefalo.

The characters you listed:

Wolfgang: Deals more damage per second on single targets, features a bevvy of utility perks like faster chopping/mining/rowing/carrying as well as no slowdown from marble suits and piggybacks.

Woodie: Two whole other forms for travel and harvesting, can make boards more efficiently.

Wanda: Teleport anywhere on the map at no cost once set up, also more single target dps.

You know what Wigfrid does other than fight? Nothing. Her ENTIRE character is based around combat, and it seems strange to compare her to characters for whom this is not the case, then act as though it's some sort of discrepancy. I think the notion that she is better than them in all combat cases is dubious, but if there's any character who should be the best at combat, it's the one who's entire character revolves only around fighting.

[Maxil20]

16 minutes ago, Masked Koopa said:

but if there's any character who should be the best at combat, it's the one who's entire character revolves only around fighting.

I would say Wigfrid kinda takes the cake on that. While the overall damage is debatable, that is not the only thing that matter when it comes to combat. Her survivability, on the contrary, is unmatched when it comes to bosses, especially in teamwide scenarios. She basically can negate most healing prep and entirely negate sanity prep outside of 2 fights, and helms massively cut the prep costs down both solo and as a group. Her leeching effects on normal mobs is usually sufficient to make up for the fact you rarely will utilize the songs on them by comparison.

I will agree that she could have more niches when it comes to other things, of course. Combat is a decent part of the game, but there are a lot of other aspects that I feel she could shine on. 

[chirsg]

38 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

 

I will agree that she could have more niches when it comes to other things, of course. Combat is a decent part of the game, but there are a lot of other aspects that I feel she could shine on. 

I think its fine she loses out on out of life utility. And in a large way, being so good at combat means you're better than average at chores too.
Let me explain, hounds are still in the game and when they come, generally, you need to drop everything and deal with them. For a lot of characters pre  rifts, they more intimidated by hounds than she is. She's productive because she takes interruption well.

Also, because she's excellent at AoE, she's a better lumberjack than wilson, webber, (Wickerbottom), Wormwood, wortox, winona, walter and wanda because she can farm up more monster meat and hire pigs at a higher rate than all of the mentioned characters. 

 

Being good at combat and for the most part, combat is completely fine. Besides, she's in theory the fastest beefalo tamer in the game too. 

3 hours ago, RainBO_OM said:

Honestly it feels like shes a bit hated by devs at this point because they have to add song remix to every new battle music, which we don't get often but still, they are amazing

I can see what you mean if I read the whole part, but hated by the devs catches you off guard a bit. I think the devs love Wigfrid. She's the John Cena of the franchise

1 hour ago, Masked Koopa said:

The characters you listed:

Wolfgang: Deals more damage per second on single targets, features a bevvy of utility perks like faster chopping/mining/rowing/carrying as well as no slowdown from marble suits and piggybacks.

Woodie: Two whole other forms for travel and harvesting, can make boards more efficiently.

Wanda: Teleport anywhere on the map at no cost once set up, also more single target dps.

You know what Wigfrid does other than fight? Nothing. Her ENTIRE character is based around combat, and it seems strange to compare her to characters for whom this is not the case, then act as though it's some sort of discrepancy. I think the notion that she is better than them in all combat cases is dubious, but if there's any character who should be the best at combat, it's the one who's entire character revolves only around fighting.

I see you, I understand, but also, I present to you the "Wigfrid is 2nd best at everything" theory.

With regards to her combat, you can make the argument that in every instance of her combat, someone else handles THAT niche a tiny bit better.

You listed Wolfgang as being a better single target attacker, as you did Wanda, I think that early on, Wigfrid pales at crowd control vs Wendy, Willow and Woodie, but after elding 2, she gains an edge.

 

All the characters isn't a combat swiss army knife like the others. And it's not even a jack of all trades situation, because she has mastery in every combat niche. 

Really it's just the alignment songs that are straight out terrible, and I say that objectively. They suck,

Subjectively, I'd say all of the stingers are some parts terrible and even the shield I don't think is worth the gold you use to craft it, but whatevs.