PedroS123 Posted March 22, 2024 Share Posted March 22, 2024 Hey folks, I've been feeling the ONI itch recently and decided to start a new run in May but for some reason I really want to suffer a bit so I'm looking for hard but realistic challenges. My last two playthroughs were - All Achievements + Max Difficulty on Flipped Asteroid moonlet + Teleporter, which I finished - All Achievements + Max Difficulty on Radioactive Moonlet (no teleporter), which I got all the tricky achievements and stabilized, but eventually got tired and stopped playing I don't want to necessarily retry these exact challenges or the same thing in a different moonlet so I'm wondering if folks have ideas of twists to make the experience either harder or that introduce some interesting new challenges. A few ideas I have - 100 dupe challenge in some moonlet start + all achievements + max difficulty (has anyone even tried this? is it doable at all with little to no deaths? classic starts I know are doable. I assume a teleporter is required at least for flipped asteroid, I can see radioactive being doable without it due to so much water) - get all dupe challenges until 100, no deaths allowed on a moonlet start + All Achievements + Max Difficult But I wanted to see if folks have better ideas. Thanks! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GluttonyMain Posted March 22, 2024 Share Posted March 22, 2024 Its probably not that challenging, but I was thinkign about "only native species" run on moonlets. Bacisally I would have to farm plants and ranch critters only on planets where those plants/critters live naturally. I would have to colonize all 5 moonlets and have permanent garrison on all of them. I would also try to make foods from local reosurces, to avoid just shipping berrry sludge from one asteroid. Finally I would not use interplanetary launcher. The whole point would be to learn interplanetary logicstics, rather than just shipping resourced to 1 main colony. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1706858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asurendra Posted March 22, 2024 Share Posted March 22, 2024 Some ideas: - No lizer usage. Produce O2 from algae or pWater... - Gulp fish cooling system. Turbines are for weaklings, be modern, be green! - Get Moos runch with good cows population - No geyser usage. Use resources worldgen offers you, get space mining for more - Wheel energy only. Generators are not allowed. Turbines - for cooling, not for electricity - No exploits. Inf.storages, pot planting etc is forbidden. Play game as developers want it to be played Any of these may be combined with each other... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1706900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheaker Posted March 22, 2024 Share Posted March 22, 2024 Go with real schedule: 8h sleep. 8h work and 8hrs free time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1706929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackMaggie Posted March 22, 2024 Share Posted March 22, 2024 39 minutes ago, sheaker said: Go with real schedule: 8h sleep. 8h work and 8hrs free time. This will make early game (possibly) imposible to survive. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1706933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asurendra Posted March 22, 2024 Share Posted March 22, 2024 59 minutes ago, SackMaggie said: This will make early game (possibly) imposible to survive. With full achievements - for sure. Without locavore I think its quite possible as all you need is to plant some mealwoods and build oxygen diffusor Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1706946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farsight Posted March 22, 2024 Share Posted March 22, 2024 8 hours ago, GluttonyMain said: Its probably not that challenging, but I was thinkign about "only native species" run on moonlets. Bacisally I would have to farm plants and ranch critters only on planets where those plants/critters live naturally. I would have to colonize all 5 moonlets and have permanent garrison on all of them. I would also try to make foods from local reosurces, to avoid just shipping berrry sludge from one asteroid. Finally I would not use interplanetary launcher. The whole point would be to learn interplanetary logicstics, rather than just shipping resourced to 1 main colony. I was thinking about something similar, but doing it for all asteroids. I probably wouldn't go without interplanetary launchers, as I like the 'trade' back n forth, but I'd have each asteroid run its own self-sufficient colony of 2-4 dupes, So no big primary colony, and each colony would run its own farms/ranches. Launchers would only be used for resources a colony couldn't produce on its own (like refined metals). The challenge would be in laying out what each asteroid would do, with limited labor on each, and in getting them self-sufficient enough that I wouldn't go crazy micromanaging them all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1706967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroS123 Posted March 22, 2024 Author Share Posted March 22, 2024 12 hours ago, GluttonyMain said: Its probably not that challenging, but I was thinkign about "only native species" run on moonlets. Bacisally I would have to farm plants and ranch critters only on planets where those plants/critters live naturally. I would have to colonize all 5 moonlets and have permanent garrison on all of them. I would also try to make foods from local reosurces, to avoid just shipping berrry sludge from one asteroid. Finally I would not use interplanetary launcher. The whole point would be to learn interplanetary logicstics, rather than just shipping resourced to 1 main colony. That's a really really cool set of ideas. I always have this imaginary goal of try to farm all plants/critters but then you inevitably just end up going the good old optimized routes and it never comes true. Your approach would make it naturally happen, or at least get closer to naturally happen. I wonder if to take it a step further preventing any type of ongoing interplanetary trade (other than for what's needed to set-up the base to begin with) which means, as much as possible, sustainability has to be achieved with whatever geysers/etc are available (with a fallback to asteroid fields if not possible), at least for the 5 bigger moonlets. I may try this + max difficult and maybe all achievement, but let's see what people suggests. Loving the ideas overall, keep them coming! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1707027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceos Posted March 23, 2024 Share Posted March 23, 2024 Abyssal-heavy Not really a significant increase in difficulty but my last run was to try and destroy as little abyssalite as possible. Going through natural breaks or thin spots. Made me change up builds a bit and spread out some production and logistics. My rule of thumb was 3 abyssalite tiles per biome for "free" and every one after was 10x dupe days per tile (4th 10, 5th 20...). So relatively east to get to a second biome but tough to get to multiple. If you combined this with some other restrictions it could be a challenge. Great topic... have fun! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1707104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted March 23, 2024 Share Posted March 23, 2024 You could try the plug slug challenge. All electricity created via slugs as soon as possible, only manual before that. Allowed to use the hydrogen the slugs produce for extra power. Slugs need to be fed which might get interesting to manage lategame. Could even extend that to slug morphs replacing all pumps wherever temperature allows it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1707212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkunkMaster Posted March 27, 2024 Share Posted March 27, 2024 Currently playing a challange run my self Rules are: Not allowed to use water geysers except of those on the water planet. They may be analyzed but it must be done while they are dormant. Full achivement run (obviously) No space research production (Data Banks), all space research must be obtained from inspecting stuff, analyzing geysers and analyzing artifacts. No carepackages. - teleporter is ok. No exploits. (unlimited storage, infinite gas oil well etc.) Automating stuff to save on power (incubator for example) is ok. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1708024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnambic Posted March 27, 2024 Share Posted March 27, 2024 19 minutes ago, SkunkMaster said: Full achivement run (obviously) No space research production (Data Banks), all space research must be obtained from inspecting stuff, analyzing geysers and analyzing artifacts. Are those feasible together? All from coffee mugs? 20 minutes ago, SkunkMaster said: No exploits. ([...] infinite gas oil well etc.) If getting infinite pressure from a building that cannot overpressure is an exploit, I would really like to know what the "etc." is. (I'm honestly curious, because I've never seen that one listed before. I'm not trying to start a discussion over the definition of "exploit", I've had enough of those.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1708044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkunkMaster Posted March 28, 2024 Share Posted March 28, 2024 15 hours ago, pnambic said: Are those feasible together? All from coffee mugs? I'll cross that bridge once I get there. that said there are a bunch of unique artifacts to be found and studied and every planet has like 5 or so geysers, each giving between 10-20 data banks. 15 hours ago, pnambic said: If getting infinite pressure from a building that cannot overpressure is an exploit, I would really like to know what the "etc." is. (I'm honestly curious, because I've never seen that one listed before. I'm not trying to start a discussion over the definition of "exploit", I've had enough of those.) It might be a mod thing, but my oil wells can output gas even when the oil aint running and the water is backed up. And when it comes to exploits, It's part of the challange. This is a solo game, people should build and play the way that gives them the most joy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1708283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnambic Posted March 28, 2024 Share Posted March 28, 2024 17 minutes ago, SkunkMaster said: I'll cross that bridge once I get there. that said there are a bunch of unique artifacts to be found and studied and every planet has like 5 or so geysers, each giving between 10-20 data banks. Fair enough; I thought you might have done it before, maybe. My current base has Cosmic Archaeology done (overdone; all unique artifacts collected), I have about 500 leftover data banks, and maybe another 150 in unanalysed geysers, but I got 1200+ from the orbital lab, and I'm unsure how much repeated coffee mugs yield . 17 minutes ago, SkunkMaster said: It might be a mod thing, but my oil wells can output gas even when the oil aint running and the water is backed up. And when it comes to exploits, It's part of the challange. This is a solo game, people should build and play the way that gives them the most joy. As I said, I'm not trying to restart the exploit discussion, I just wanted to see your personal "don't do that"-list. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1708287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_not_Included Posted May 29, 2024 Share Posted May 29, 2024 On 3/22/2024 at 12:44 AM, GluttonyMain said: Its probably not that challenging, but I was thinkign about "only native species" run on moonlets. Bacisally I would have to farm plants and ranch critters only on planets where those plants/critters live naturally. I would have to colonize all 5 moonlets and have permanent garrison on all of them. I would also try to make foods from local reosurces, to avoid just shipping berrry sludge from one asteroid. Finally I would not use interplanetary launcher. The whole point would be to learn interplanetary logicstics, rather than just shipping resourced to 1 main colony. I've kinda done something in the same vein, but more like each planet must have a tenet of industry, and stick to it. So one planet, only ranches. Industry items are allowed, but only if it has to do with ranching. Power: plug slugs, shine bugs, or bust. Only food allowed are critter based. Extras get shipped elsewhere. Can research ranch related stuff. (But honestly, it gets iffy what I call "ranch". This was my first planet, and the dupes cried out "we need rockets! To get more critters!" And it was enough for me to greenlight the earliest rocket version made with duck tape and a dream. ) Has to make every animal a home. Even if it's the last one One planet, farms only. Power: NG gen using NG from fertilizer makers only and thermal heat vents. Industry items allowed but only if they do with farms. (Like brakene smoosher). Only food allowed is plant based. Extras get shipped elsewhere. Can research plant related stuff. Must have one of every plant. One planet, metal working/industry only. Power machines: any and all. One planet, scientists and exploration. Learn about the universe! Power from solar or thermal. No interplanetary launchers, rockets or bust. And haven't decided the rest. But it becomes a real head scratcher about mid game on how to make stuff work when each planet is so theme focused. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155154-challenge-ideas-for-the-next-run/#findComment-1717678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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