Suggestions about hardware about this game

[dallion]

I met some trouble about this game, after 800+ cycles my frame is ONLY 10fps, it`s terrible !

 

so I think I should upgrade my CPU

 

My Goal :

make this game playable 

 

Question :

1. How many cores I need ?

2. How fast is the clock is to make this game playable

3. Which Brand have better optimze for this game 

 

thanks advance

[dallion]

I am confused, I tested the same save 

 

i3 9350kf is 10fps

i7 10700 is 20~30fps

 

from https://www.topcpu.net/cpu-r/Cinebench-R23*Single-Core

 

9350kf have better single core performance than 10700, but game have lower frame, I don`t know if I should have 13 or 14th gen CPU ?

[Yalp]

2 hours ago, dallion said:

if I should have 13 or 14th gen CPU ?

Whichever is cheaper

Spoiler

 

 

[meekay]

Mine is "Space Gray".

[blakemw]

The 12,13,14 gen intel CPUs offer very superior performance in ONI. It doesn't really matter how cheap the CPU is as long as it's at least 12th gen, like even the i3's are very good performing for ONI.

I think that if you are doing a full system upgrade, Intel will be considerably cheaper than AMD. To get better performance out of AMD you probably want an X3D CPU and those are much pricier than a 12+ gen i3, so AMD would only make sense if you already have an AMD system and so don't need to buy new mobo and ram. But for a full system upgrade, definitely 12+ gen.

An i5, i7 or i9 will result in slightly better performance than an i3, but not enough to justify the increased cost, but of course if you have a certain amount you are willing to spend get whatever is at your price point.

[Saturnus]

On 11/4/2023 at 8:18 AM, blakemw said:

The 12,13,14 gen intel CPUs offer very superior performance in ONI.

Except AMD 5800x3d and 7800x3d are far superior to those. And I don't mean by a little bit. It's basically x1.6 and x2.1 of a 13900K respectively.

Seems "single core" sim games such as ONI likes L3 cache more than anything else, even raw clock speed.

[blakemw]

15 hours ago, Saturnus said:

Except AMD 5800x3d and 7800x3d are far superior to those. And I don't mean by a little bit. It's basically x1.6 and x2.1 of a 13900K respectively.

Seems "single core" sim games such as ONI likes L3 cache more than anything else, even raw clock speed.

Look I'm not claiming you can't get considerably more theoretical performance by spending a lot more money. (and I find your x1.6 and x2.1 figures highly sus, Factorio benchmarks suggest something more like x1.35 improvement to UPS for the 7800x3d vs 13900K)

But a basic intel i3 for around $100 will basically max out ONI for most reasonable bases. And it'll tend to perform much better than previous generations of CPU besides the very highest end CPUs from previous generations.

If Factorio benchmarks are applicable to ONI (which is a reasonable assumption but not necessarily a safe one given how extremely different the architectures are - but Factorio benchmarks that can tease out these differences exist and ONI ones don't so it's the best we have to go on), then if you're really into megabasing and willing to spend a lot, then AMD offers a much better value proposition in the mid to high range, if you're going to spend 500 USD on a CPU definitely go AMD X3D. In the budget range Intel will tend to offer a somewhat better value proposition than AMD, while still maxing out most ONI bases. And there's going to be a crossover point, probably somewhere around 150-200 USD where intel (i5) and AMD (X) offerings have basically the same value proposition.

Personally I got an i5-12400F a while back, and since then not once have I thought "I wish I had a faster CPU", not in ONI or in any other game.

[Saturnus]

The big problem with your line of thinking is that you don't really seem to recognize the system cost.

Upgrading an Intel CPU to another Intel CPU typically means changing your entire computer, or at least CPU, MB, and in most cases RAM.

On the other hand if you have bought any AMD AM4 platform within the last 7 years then you can just plunk in a 5800x3d and get a massive performance boost at much lower cost.

Hell, you can probably find a used AM4 system and upgrade to the 5800x3d and it'll still be cheaper than buying even a bargain bin Intel CPU, MB, and RAM.

[blakemw]

Just because I didn't mention it (don't want the internet to run out of bits) doesn't mean I don't recognize it.

Given that OP was talking about intel processors it is presumptuous to assume they are using an AMD setup.

22 hours ago, Saturnus said:

Hell, you can probably find a used AM4 system and upgrade to the 5800x3d and it'll still be cheaper than buying even a bargain bin Intel CPU, MB, and RAM.

This is an option but it's also a significant risk to invest in many second hand parts. I understand why some people are willing to go this route, but it's ultimately a risk assessment thing, you pay less money if it works, but the risk is higher, and the nature of a competitive market means the monetary savings are going to be somewhat in balance with the potential loss + time spent bargain hunting. If you buy new parts you know exactly what you are getting, you are not going to get scammed, if there are problems then returns follow a well established and stress free process. Personally I'd only go the second hand route if I was going to have a collection of PCs so I could mix and match parts.

[blakemw]

On 11/25/2023 at 7:04 AM, melquiades said:

Check this thread, there is a benchmark like test, and are a lot of different hardware setups tested:

That thread is well known.

At this point in time the save chosen isn't stressful enough to tease out differences between any modern CPU, like my i5 12400F, is sufficient to get the best possible time of 102 s, even though Factorio benchmarks indicate that high end CPUs could probably offer 2x the performance in sufficiently demanding saves. The benchmark thread will be a good indication that a CPU is sufficient to play ONI as a relatively normal player would, like play Spaced Out, colonize most the planetoids, go through the Temporal Tear. Like I used to be using a 4th gen i5, and it really was not sufficient to "just play" Spaced Out, got bogged down unbearably (by my standards) after I'd opened up like 5 planetoids.

 

But yeah, if you want to know how much more powerful a CPU might be, you'd have to look for other games. There are comprehensive benchmarks for Factorio, however it must be kept in mind that Factorio is a heavily optimized game with a particular emphasis on optimizing cache utilization as effectively as possible. Factorio seems to love the Ryzen X3D CPUs.

On the other hand, there are a few benchmarks for Cities Skylines 2 (for example, german sorry), which is a sim game with very high minimum CPU requirements (compared with most sim games) which in principle should make it good for teasing out differences between modern CPUs. Intel CPUs, including the cheaper i5 14600K, seem to beat the Ryzen X3D CPUs in Skylines 2. Though of course Ryzen X3D CPUs still do very well, as do Ryzen X CPUs. Anyway, this is cautioning against using Factorio benchmarks to draw definite conclusions about sim games in general, games with minimal or no emphasis on optimizing cache utilization may not benefit anywhere near as much. If you are definitely going to do the most mega of megabases in Factorio, a Ryzen X3D cpu is a good investment, but without benchmarks for more games it'd seem premature to conclude it's going to be so amazing for other games (though it'll still be good, and probably still fairly good value for money if you are aiming for that price range).