Don't starve has great lore but...

[BalkanCockroach]

Iet's be honest it's very inconsistent and up to interpretation. Which some might like and that's good, gives space for theories but i would really like it to have a solid structure instead of being an ambigous mishmash. Maybe they should re-structure it to make it up to date with old stuff?

[Primalflower]

are there really that many inconsistencies? Any that I can think of are explainable, the only odd one out being how wagstaff was sucked through the portal in the winona short but appears to still be in the real world some how, which is also, explainable. I can't really think of any really big examples.

[BalkanCockroach]

1 hour ago, Primalflower said:

are there really that many inconsistencies? Any that I can think of are explainable, the only odd one out being how wagstaff was sucked through the portal in the winona short but appears to still be in the real world some how, which is also, explainable. I can't really think of any really big examples.

They keep retconning new info or they change stuff which is fine but too many little cracks in the lore breaks my immersion (this entire post is just my opinion). 

Example this is a small retcon but there are many, i'll add more when it comes to my mind. In gorge one of the salesmerms tell us "i've been having odd cravings for fish lately"

after the wurt update when you look back you're like wait a minute... THAT'S CANNIBALISM!

Also people keep saying solo DLCs aren't cannon but then again i don't think any offical dev has ever denied them being canon and there are some borrowed stuff that tells me they are cannon like. 

But the biggest offender right now is the cyclum comic. If other survivors were in the constant before wilson then what's with the florid postern shenanigans? if that's explained anywhere someone please tell me.

I also made a post a while ago that discussed who made the clockworks, people had different opinions and lots of people were unsure about their opinions because while some quotes suggested that Maxwell made them some other quotes made that impossible. At the end it was still ambigous like a lot of stuff in this franchise.

[WenericMember]

19 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

They keep retconning new info or they change stuff which is fine but too many little cracks in the lore breaks my immersion (this entire post is just my opinion). 

Example this is a small retcon but there are many, i'll add more when it comes to my mind. In gorge one of the salesmerms tell us "i've been having odd cravings for fish lately"

after the wurt update when you look back you're like wait a minute... THAT'S CANNIBALISM!

Also people keep saying solo DLCs aren't cannon but then again i don't think any offical dev has ever denied them being canon and there are some borrowed stuff that tells me they are cannon like. 

But the biggest offender right now is the cyclum comic. If other survivors were in the constant before wilson then what's with the florid postern shenanigans? if that's explained anywhere someone please tell me.

I also made a post a while ago that discussed who made the clockworks, people had different opinions and lots of people were unsure about their opinions because while some quotes suggested that Maxwell made them some other quotes made that impossible. At the end it was still ambigous like a lot of stuff in this franchise.

afaik:

• Gorge takes place in another universe, so merm-fish relations could be difference, but yes minor inconsistancy
• I think all DLC content is semi-cannon. It definitely exists, but like Wortox and Wanda, it can't be reconciled to DS/ROG/DST in an effective way so its largely ignored unless specifically needed.
• The constant has many different layers to it IIRC, which is what the adventure mode in Don't Starve was. Up until Maxwell and Wilson landed in the same layer, everyone was trapped in a different section of the constant. Florid Postern / Celestial Portal / Jury Rigged Portal is capable of bringing survivors from other layers of the constant into the same one.
• The bishops at least were made by Maxwell. His inspect description for the Bishop and damaged bishop is "I'm especially proud of that piece" and "They fall apart without proper upkeep," whereas the other two are more vague.

[BalkanCockroach]

6 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

afaik:

• Gorge takes place in another universe, so merm-fish relations could be difference, but yes minor inconsistancy
• I think all DLC content is semi-cannon. It definitely exists, but like Wortox and Wanda, it can't be reconciled to DS/ROG/DST in an effective way so its largely ignored unless specifically needed.
• The constant has many different layers to it IIRC, which is what the adventure mode in Don't Starve was. Up until Maxwell and Wilson landed in the same layer, everyone was trapped in a different section of the constant. Florid Postern / Celestial Portal / Jury Rigged Portal is capable of bringing survivors from other layers of the constant into the same one.
• The bishops at least were made by Maxwell. His inspect description for the Bishop and damaged bishop is "I'm especially proud of that piece" and "They fall apart without proper upkeep," whereas the other two are more vague.

The layer theory is good and makes sense to me, but i want offical answers that fit and feel right.

I know we will never get offical confirmation to these, dst likes to keep it's mysteries but they can atleast try to iron out some of this stuff by either replacing or adding some quotes and or ingame hints that make sense.

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, BalkanCockroach said:

The layer theory is good and makes sense to me, but i want offical answers that fit and feel right.

I know we will never get offical confirmation to these, dst likes to keep it's mysteries but they can atleast try to iron out some of this stuff by either replacing or adding some quotes and or ingame hints that make sense.

Not really a theory...

[chirsg]

I don't know how I feel about Them. There seems to be some inconsistency in terms of that. In Maxwell's quotes, light sources keep Them at bay. 

But I was under the impression They were aligned with the moon. I don't know. Inconsistency has always bothered me and as long as down the line, we get slanty shanties and some form of traditional economy in the game, I'm just here for the ride. 

[BalkanCockroach]

4 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Not really a theory...

Thanks thats really good to know.

5 minutes ago, chirsg said:

I don't know how I feel about Them. There seems to be some inconsistency in terms of that. In Maxwell's quotes, light sources keep Them at bay. 

But I was under the impression They were aligned with the moon. I don't know. Inconsistency has always bothered me and as long as down the line, we get slanty shanties and some form of traditional economy in the game, I'm just here for the ride. 

It could be that "they" refers to all the powers over constant both alter and shadows. That would make sense cause the survivors don't know the name of shadows or the moon so they just call them well... them.

Another thing to add to this topic are pigs!!! What the hell are pigs supposed to be and where do they originate from? do we take hamlet into account? The pigs are the real "them" they are super enigmatic when it comes to their nature and they are all over the constant and other dimensions. They are really stupid (excluding hamlet) and somehow at some point they were able to travel to other dimensions.

[chirsg]

21 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Another thing to add to this topic are pigs!!! What the hell are pigs supposed to be and where do they originate from? do we take hamlet into account? The pigs are the real "them" they are super enigmatic when it comes to their nature and they are all over the constant and other dimensions. They are really stupid (excluding hamlet) and somehow at some point they were able to travel to other dimensions.

If pigmen were Them all along, I'd be happy.

[Capybara007]

Why did wilson build a machine when others could just use a radio

[Maxposting]

4 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

Why did wilson build a machine when others could just use a radio

I'd like to assume Maxwell just trolled him

[grm9]

9 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

Why did wilson build a machine when others could just use a radio

Could be cooperation with wagstaff, since wagstaff made radios that maxwell could put people into the constant through and maxwell could've in return made someone build the portal that wagstaff later could use for projecting himself into the world? Still doesn't explain why wilson only got pulled after activating the portal though. Or devs wanted to add other characters and realised that 16 different people building the same portal because a radio told them to, especially people with nothing to even build it from like wes or woodie, would be odd and changing a major part of the story like wilson's short or the way he got trapped would also be bad. Another theory would've been allowing maxwell to enter the world in a physical form or directly pull people through radios by making the portal but wilson wasn't even the first to get trapped, so it isn't true.

14 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

I'd like to assume Maxwell just trolled him

Most likely, he also has a cut line from the start of adventure mode after using that portal saying that machinery hasn't been kind to the character in the past, but probably went unused because it only applies to wilson. Would also explain why sometimes he just appears, sometimes talks through radios and sometimes radios just automatically work without maxwell even talking.

[Sanitar]

It's not clear to me personally whether the DLC for don't starve and the forge, gorge event are canon.

It's as if they didn't exist. The characters do not remember the moments of the events and DLC at all. Why didn't the same Forge launch an invasion to conquer the shadow throne? Why do characters react to "Int Blight" as if they are seeing something similar for the first time? Although they should immediately remember the Ancient Herald, because it is too similar to "Int Blight"

What is canon in this game and what is not. We'll never know until the developers directly tell us

[Frashaw27]

6 minutes ago, Sanitar said:

The characters do not remember the moments of the events and DLC at all.

Wickerbottom literally says "The design is reminiscent of the Gateways we've traversed through before." when examining the Sealed Portal in the archives. They clearly do remember the events of the events that these occur. Also The dlc are canon since Wormwood's DST introduction short literally shows him in Hamlet, even if Shipwreck hasn't been seen in DST (unless you count wobsters, but that's kinda weak) that doesn't mean that the DLC's are uncannon suddenly.

11 minutes ago, Sanitar said:

Why do characters react to "Int Blight" as if they are seeing something similar for the first time? Although they should immediately remember the Ancient Herald, because it is too similar to "Int Blight"

That is very circumstantial reasoning there. Even if they do have a very similar design concept, they have no reason to believe that the two are similar and thus treat them as new threats. Even if they did recognize them, I feel the need to give them unqiue quotes then saying how they remind them of another creature that the player might've not seen.

[Eughstein]

tbh only questions i have to dst lore is
how the hell hamlet fits in all of this

[Just Mactusk]

13 minutes ago, Eughstein said:

tbh only questions i have to dst lore is
how the hell hamlet fits in all of this

I feel like hamlet is it own thing, including DS is kinda a another universe of it own

[BalkanCockroach]

8 hours ago, Frashaw27 said:

Wickerbottom literally says "The design is reminiscent of the Gateways we've traversed through before." when examining the Sealed Portal in the archives. They clearly do remember the events of the events that these occur. Also The dlc are canon since Wormwood's DST introduction short literally shows him in Hamlet, even if Shipwreck hasn't been seen in DST (unless you count wobsters, but that's kinda weak) that doesn't mean that the DLC's are uncannon suddenly.

That is very circumstantial reasoning there. Even if they do have a very similar design concept, they have no reason to believe that the two are similar and thus treat them as new threats. Even if they did recognize them, I feel the need to give them unqiue quotes then saying how they remind them of another creature that the player might've not seen.

Also maybe the MC of hamlet is Wagstaff? That would make sense to me if he was the only one in hamlet (besides Wormwood) that would make it so he knows ancient herald but since he didn't meet ink blights he can't comment about it.

And shipwrecked could be canon but Warly has 0 recollection or quotes to reference the time he spent there.

[BalkanCockroach]

1 hour ago, Just Mactusk said:

I feel like hamlet is it own thing, including DS is kinda a another universe of it own

Well Wormwoods short definetly tells us theres a hamlet in DST somewhere like @Frashaw27 said cause shorts are offical. But maybe it's a different hamlet orrr... Fix the damn lore Klei!!!

[Uedo]

Wasn't Hamlet set on a plateau high in the mountains? With the areas of the constant being multi-dimensional in nature it's likely it exists within the constant the survivors found themselves in before they joined each other with the Jury-rigged portal.

I like that the seaworthy (I forget the hamlet one's name) are like set backdrops or props - It fits into Maxwells motif well.

[maroonamanita]

13 hours ago, WenericMember said:

I think all DLC content is semi-cannon. It definitely exists, but like Wortox and Wanda, it can't be reconciled to DS/ROG/DST in an effective way so its largely ignored unless specifically needed.

They are all cannon, but just joined after all the rog/sw/ham survivors. I think the "story" for single player is maxwell traps a bunch of people and one of them is Wilson.  He dies a lot and tries to escape by boat and hot air balloon but just takes him to different areas. He then finds and dose maxwells portal and he takes the throne, and the maxwell dies then the jury rigged portal/ florid postern is made/corrupted. 

Now all of the new dlc survivors will join the constant for the first time. Warly and Wormwood join through the portal. Walter comes through an old Maxwell trap that existed long after Maxwell was kicked off the throne. Wanda joined because while the shadows hunted her, she boke spacetime and made her own portal. Wortox is an imp from another plane or just another part of the constant and can travel freely. Wurt is of course just a merm they had no met yet. 

 

[maradyne]

I assume there were multiple ways that survivors encountered eachother, depending on who it was.

Wilson and Maxwell's circumstance was obviously special...
Wilson's notes leading up to DST's announcement mentioned the existence of other "islands", with some suspicion that other people were on them and message bottles used to try and communicate, so there could be some that made their way over physically.
Wormwood could've easily, like, fallen down the mountainside with an accompanying laugh track and clown noises.
The DLC characters obviously all have their own ways they popped up.

Warly's update post implied he just...boated right over from Shipwrecked.
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109374-warly-is-now-available-in-dst/

Quote

A ship has dashed upon the shores of the island and our survivors have recovered a new member to add to their team; Warly!

 

 

[BalkanCockroach]

9 minutes ago, maroonamanita said:

They are all cannon, but just joined after all the rog/sw/ham survivors. I think the "story" for single player is maxwell traps a bunch of people and one of them is Wilson.  He dies a lot and tries to escape by boat and hot air balloon but just takes him to different areas. He then finds and dose maxwells portal and he takes the throne, and the maxwell dies then the jury rigged portal/ florid postern is made/corrupted. 

Now all of the new dlc survivors will join the constant for the first time. Warly and Wormwood join through the portal. Walter comes through an old Maxwell trap that existed long after Maxwell was kicked off the throne. Wanda joined because while the shadows hunted her, she boke spacetime and made her own portal. Wortox is an imp from another plane or just another part of the constant and can travel freely. Wurt is of course just a merm they had no met yet. 

 

Okay so another thing what happened to Wheeler,Woodlegs,Wilbur,Walani etc. Are they dead or something why didn't they make their way into dst? Except the obvious answer which is klei didn't implement them.

Edit: i want wilbur  dammit ooo ooo ooo AAAAA OOOO AAAAA!!! (*Goes monke*)

[gamehun20]

1 minute ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Are they dead or something why didn't they make their way into dst?

just unlucky

[maroonamanita]

1 minute ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Okay so another thing what happened to Wheeler,Woodlegs,Wilbur,Walani etc. Are they dead or something why didn't they make their way into dst? Except the obvious answer which is klei didn't implement them.

I mean gameplay /= to story or lore they might just have stayed in thier areas. Woodlegs and Walani would be sad without the sea and the waves. Wilber and Wilba are natives to the areas they appear in and it would be weird to leave. The only weird one is wheeler and i guess she got stuck in a ruin or is too cool to do anything other then fly solo. 

[BalkanCockroach]

14 minutes ago, maroonamanita said:

I mean gameplay /= to story or lore they might just have stayed in thier areas. Woodlegs and Walani would be sad without the sea and the waves. Wilber and Wilba are natives to the areas they appear in and it would be weird to leave. The only weird one is wheeler and i guess she got stuck in a ruin or is too cool to do anything other then fly solo. 

Wilbur is not a prime ape so he's not native. And by that logic why did Wormwood go into DST is he not native to hamlet? 

If they were to introduce Wilbur into DST they could make him the monkey we see in Wagstaffs lab they look similar and Wagstaff experiment could've made him smarter. But unfortunately Wonkey kinda confirmed he won't be getting into DST.