Uncrushed Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 36 minutes ago, Primalflower said: huh? why aren't reap what you sow farms worthwhile? Gardening is critical for a few things: a potato for Astro-goggles, a tomato for Wigfrid's Startling Soliloquy, garlic, onions and peppers for Warly's dishes, powdercake for traps... A Forget-me-lots flower farm is pretty carefree and probably worthwhile for Soothing Tea (for sanity, with sweetener and ice) and *maybe* Beefalo treats (for beefalo health, with beech nuts). Gardening gives you dragon pie and a few 35-sanity creamy potato puree and salsa fresca. I like to plant a row of each: dragonfruit, onion, garlic (those three together for even nutrient use) plus potatoes and tomatoes (those 2 together). Even in the wrong season, you just replant whatever grows twice as fast. I'm not saying gardening is bad, I'm saying that investing in a birdcage or a couple beehives yields more for your time. Action Queue RB2's new auto-till, auto-plant, and auto-talk helps, but you are still running around gathering water, making a second or third fridge (or a seed pack-it). Fighting the Lord of the Fruit Flies... I do it sometimes, it's just not usually fun for me any more. If your goal is to satisfy Hunger, Health, and Sanity, a birdcage is the biggest bang-for-the-buck, followed by bees (honey). Once lureplants are available (1st Spring), they are amazing too. Here's a garden-free crock pot menu: 150 Hunger Tall Scotch Eggs: 1 Tallbird egg + 1 veggie. 60 healing Meaty Stew: 3 meat 75 Hunger Beefy Greens: Leafy Meat and 3 veggies. 40 healing. Spoils quickly Honey Ham: 1.5 Meat and 1 Honey Bacon and Eggs: 1.25 Meat and 2 eggs. Lasts 20 days Turkey Dinner: 2 Drumsticks + any meat + any fruit or veggie. Spoils quickly 62.5 Hunger Meatballs: any meat + 3 edible fillers 50 Hunger Plain Omelette: 3 eggs. Lasts 20 days 50 Sanity Jelly Salad: 2 Leafy Meat + 2 Honey. Spoils quickly 35 Sanity Surf 'n' Turf: 1 meat + 2 fish. 60 healing Banana Shake: 2 bananas + non-meat filler (sticks or lichen) 60 Health Tall Scotch Eggs Surf ‘n Turf 40 Health Beefy Greens Fishsticks: 1 fish + 1 stick Pierogi: 1 egg + any meat + any veggie. Lasts 20 days 30 Health Honey Ham Trail Mix: 1 birchnut + 2 fruits If you have a member of the team who likes doing this and the rest of you can bring them seeds, shell fragments, wood, manure, etc., and make them armor and a one-man-band, it's still a leg up! I just don't like being that person any more. Also, now brightshades. If Klei added an auto-waterer (irrigation ditch) and auto-talker (wind-chime), so you could set it up, roam the world, and get a ping when it was time to harvest, I'd definitely reconsider. I just feel like it's a ball and chain otherwise. YMMV. You asked. That's why. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry French Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 I don't like the new sleep mechanics very much. Especially how much it restores hp and sanity. I would accept it too if DST was the only game and there would be no DS. Some mechanics in DS are more loved, and the fact that they are not in DST is disappointing. 7 minutes ago, SomebodyRandom said: Don't Starve Together isn't just some online version of a singleplayer game like Elder Scrolls Online or whatever else that don't even need to be separate games. Don't Starve Together is a full-fledged sequel. It has different content, reworked mechanics, a different story. That's how sequels work. Like take Terraria for example, it's getting old and nearing the end of development, but the developers still have a lot of passion for the game, so after they take a break from it for a bit, they want to make a sequel with better code, better mechanics, a better engine. That's how sequels work! Simply grabbing DST and putting it in DS would not work because of the limitations of DS. Grabbing DS and putting it in DST is not something that needs to happen because they are different games taking place in different moments in time through the story. Klei is currently focused on making DST its own thing, not making DST into online DS. It might not be what you want to happen, but Klei wants to work on DST, maybe taking inspiration from DS here and there, and adding its own unique spin on it. Because DST is a sequel, and that is how sequels work. Why the sequel literally copies DS + RoG. DST is the same, but with new content that has been added for 7 YEARS. About the story. Why is there no Atrium in the DS, because it was in ruins initially. If DS 1 is the first part. Why should I play DS 1, where there is nothing unique except Hamlet and Shipwrecked. It's the same if you bought RDR 2, and there's almost the same game that came out 8 years ago with the same graphics and half of the game is the same 13 minutes ago, Uncrushed said: Садоводство имеет решающее значение для нескольких вещей: картофель для астроглазок, помидоры для потрясающего монолога Вигфрида, чеснок, лук и перец для блюд Warly's, пудреница для ловушек... . Well, from my point of view, many dishes in the garden need rebalancing as well as egg dishes. I especially don't like cactus and ice... Starving after RoG has become a myth Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnumber3 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 You have a fundamental misunderstanding on what a Sequel is. With your logic, Sequels shouldn't exist as they can add more to the base game, but like, why be limited on the engine, code, graphics, game system, etc. A Sequel is a CONTINUEATION of another game, which dst is, adding more stuff, a new story, Ui, and new everything. Dst came out like 7 years ago, when things like dlc to other games was uncommon. I don't think its physically possible to add multiplayer to DS without years of struggle and why do that, when that was the POINT of what a sequel is? They... did add new stuff? are you upset they added it to their new game then DS? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodyRandom Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, Hungry French said: DST is the same, but with new content that has been added for 7 YEARS. It's the same, but with new content.. so it's not the same. It's not even just DS + RoG with new content, either, cause it has entirely reworked mechanics and characters. Fires are different, thermal stones are different, farming is different, fishing is expanded, boats are different, bosses are different, beefalos are different, caves are different, and so much more. The game is a sequel. If you take a stroll through DS and DST for like 30 minutes, you'll notice so many different things. It's not the same game, it's not the same game with a few things added, it's a sequel. 18 minutes ago, Hungry French said: About the story. Why is there no Atrium in the DS, because it was in ruins initially. Because the cause of the Atrium getting unearthed happened in DST. You can't just kill a tentapillar and jump into its hole because there's no hole to jump into in DS. Those holes were carved out later and then connected to the Atrium. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalflower Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, Uncrushed said: snip i get where you're coming from, in a sense? I think contrary to what i've just said in this thread, i just don't want to frame something as not worth doing just because there are better options, in this case where both options on the table are entertaining to me. I think the moment i build bee boxes and start eating honey (or alternatively pay too much attention to koalefant tracks) is the moment food stops being fun/engaging gameplay for me and starts being boring and one-note, even if gram for gram, making honey is like, one of the best things you could do in the game. Though of course you're allowed to just not find gardening engaging yourself. Though additionally, I think there might be some kind of a disconnect here WRT the effort that one puts into farms? Back in my day, were literally just sowed corn and then came back days later to tons of corn to live off of, and it was pretty productive. Cawnival was nice too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queron81 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I think it's because they wanted to make DLCs, that wouldn't really work well in multiplayer (Shipwrecked and Hamlet). Adding multiplayer to Don't Starve would have changed the whole game. We wouldn't have got something like Hamlet. It was always about solo survival. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddocc Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 what is this, don't be a cheapstake and buy DST you'll get an extra copy for a friend Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
. . . Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Cause DS has a good old DRM-free version if they were the same game God forbid DS would have DRM Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 DST already merged the caves & ruins into one layer to prevent needing to run a third server. There being an RoG server and a caves server and an island server and a volcano server and a Hamlet server and a Hamlet ruins server is ridiculous. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retepeter Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 15 hours ago, Hungry French said: It is not necessary to say that the content of DST is uncanonical to the content of DS and therefore these are different games. A lot of content from DST canonically either was in DS or nothing prevents it from being there. Where is the Atrium in DS ? All this did not depend on Maxwell or Charlie Wilson and Maxwell build th jury ringed portal that got transformed to the florid poster. This is a stupid post anyways, they needed a new engine and they said that they won't add the dlcs to not divide the playerbase. Dst is a much different game to ds, ds is about surviving but dst is more about thriving and killing optional bosses. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry French Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 14 hours ago, Nnumber3 said: У вас фундаментальное непонимание того, что такое сиквел. По вашей логике, сиквелов не должно существовать, поскольку они могут добавить больше к базовой игре, но, например, зачем ограничивать движок, код, графику, игровую систему и т.д. Сиквел - это продолжение другой игры, которой является dst, добавляющее больше материала, новую историю, пользовательский интерфейс и вообще все новое. Dst появился примерно 7 лет назад, когда такие вещи, как dlc к другим играм, были редкостью. Я не думаю, что физически возможно добавить мультиплеер в DS без многолетней борьбы, и зачем это делать, когда в этом был смысл сиквела? Они... добавили ли что-то новое? вы расстроены, что они добавили это в свою новую игру, а не в DS? The sequel is a full-fledged new game, not an old game with updates. This is a standalone DLS when DLS is sold as a separate game. At the time of the release, DST was the same DS + RoG. It was only after many years that she did not stupidly become a carbon copy of DS. But the DS and RoG content is still copied. And what new story are you talking about ? The history of DS and DST contradict each other. DST is literally New Home, where the story was supplemented with events that contradict the original game There is a simple example. Let's say there are 2 games. Hotline miami and Hotline miami 2. 2 are similar games in visual and gameplay, but there are completely different levels and plot. If the second part had followed the path of DST, then we would have played half of the game in the levels from part 1, and only then in the second Moreover, the plot of the second half of the game contradicts the first half 15 hours ago, SomebodyRandom said: Это то же самое, но с новым контентом.. так что это не одно и то же. Это даже не просто DS + RoG с новым контентом, потому что в нем полностью переработаны механика и персонажи. Костры другие, термальные камни другие, фермерство другое, рыбалка расширена, лодки другие, боссы другие, бифалосы другие, пещеры другие и многое другое. Игра является продолжением. Если вы прогуляетесь по DS и DST минут 30, вы заметите так много разных вещей. Это не та же самая игра, это не та же самая игра с несколькими добавлениями, это продолжение. Потому что причина обнаружения Атриума произошла в DST. Вы не можете просто убить тентапилляра и прыгнуть в его дыру, потому что в DS нет дыры, в которую можно было бы прыгнуть. Эти отверстия были вырезаны позже, а затем соединены с атриумом. But the atrium exists in ruins regardless of the existence of wormholes, which means it must be there. And who said they weren't in the DS? Sleep appeared in DS after the release of DST. And beefalos there are the same as in DST. And what about moonstone, which calls for hounds and werepigs? From Maxwell's words, he existed there even before the fall of the race of the ancients and the fact that such altars were destroyed ( most likely due to heretical overtones). Why aren 't there any ?. DST is in many ways a leaky story that either contradicts DS or cannot prove that its content is truly unique 14 hours ago, Queron81 said: Я думаю, это потому, что они хотели создать DLC, которые не очень хорошо работали бы в мультиплеере (Shipwrecked и Hamlet). Добавление мультиплеера в Don't Starve изменило бы всю игру. У нас не получилось бы чего-то вроде Hamlet. Речь всегда шла о выживании в одиночку. If desired, Klei could make a multiplayer version of Hamlet and Shipwrecked. DST somehow turned out. Clumsy, not balanced, but still it turned out 14 hours ago, Pedro cc said: что это такое, не будьте дешевкой и купите DST, вы получите дополнительную копию для друга I bought it a long time ago. And what is the motivation to spend money on DS and RoG, where the content is secondary and there is many times less of it there than in DST. 11 hours ago, . . . said: Потому что у DS есть старая добрая версия без DRM, если бы это была одна и та же игра, не дай бог, у DS был бы DRM What is DRM ? 5 hours ago, Retepeter said: Уилсон и Максвелл создали портал, окруженный жюри, который превратился в красочный плакат. В любом случае, это глупый пост, им нужен был новый движок, и они сказали, что не будут добавлять dlc, чтобы не делить базу игроков. Dst сильно отличается от ds, ds - это выживание, а dst - это больше процветание и убийство необязательных боссов. They do not divide players into DST (paid characters). But they separated the ds and dst players And what prevented the new engine from being made in DS by replacing the old one ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Hungry French said: And what prevented the new engine from being made in DS by replacing the old one ? Efficiency Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retepeter Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Hungry French said: And what new story are you talking about ? The history of DS and DST contradict each other. DST is literally New Home, where the story was supplemented with events that contradict the original game Huh how does a crashgrab mobile game come into this discussion? 1 hour ago, Hungry French said: But they separated the ds and dst players Because dst is fine to separate from ds, there isn't crossplay. They don't want to sperate dst players from other dst players 1 hour ago, Hungry French said: Moreover, the plot of the second half of the game contradicts the first half Give me one example where that happensblockquote widget Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry French Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Retepeter said: Это кажется довольно бессмысленным, op явно не любит мультиплеер. Вы можете просто пойти дальше и поиграть в одиночную игру. It's easier for me to start playing DST because of the content. Even if you have to endure the reworks of the characters and the fact that the caves and ruins are one layer and the caves are not so dark . + I could try fixing some problems myself. At least problems with the statistics of tents, thermal stones, hp mobs and bosses, etc. 53 minutes ago, gamehun20 said: Efficiency Efficiency ? In what? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hungry French said: Efficiency ? In what? If you don't like the table cover on the table which has all of the Christmas meals then you start a new table instead of trying to change the table cover Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima_ Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Hungry French said: If desired, Klei could make a multiplayer version of Hamlet and Shipwrecked. DST somehow turned out. Clumsy, not balanced, but still it turned out well u guess it .. they not DESIRE IT. for whatever reason it is. I Think u need play more dst content, did u just barely done 10 hours of DST gameplay and make this post ? cus all problem u mention now is tent, thermal stone and bosses hp ??? tent work differently cus yeah u guess it it a multiplayer that wont force everyone sleep everynight like stardewvalley(where everyone sleep and woke up at same time in the morning) . thermal stone have durability but easily fixable. bruhh this multiplayer game. bosses buffed cus literally 6 or more people can gank on them. btw cave didnt need to be multilayered cus everytime u kill fuelweaver, ruins regenerate. as other said this game is not a DS copy that have multiplayer function. thats why u see there is update for wilson in DST but didnt change it DS version. and many basic dst characters. IT CHANGED. to balance the game better. to fit their own development. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/151411-why-are-ds-and-dst-its-two-separate-games-and-not-one/page/2/#findComment-1669891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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