(CHANGED MY MIND) Wormwood could chop, mine and fight faster when fully bloomed

[Lossy15]

As the title says, with the photosynthesis skill enabled, Wormwood could do every action slightly faster when he's bloomed, This would make this skill a lot better in my opinion.

[Copyafriend]

I mean I don't think it's necessary.

I'm gonna be real, outside of his one single downside (that is totally workable despite what some people say)

wormwoods got a PRETTY GOOD kit.

and the new perk system only made it better

I just don't think this is necessary, if you dont think photosynthesis is worth it, don't pick it. I'd personally rather they just double the regen speed if it's undertuned, not randomly let wormwood become an expert gatherer with a attack speed increase aswell.

[Lossy15]

3 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

I mean I don't think it's necessary.

I'm gonna be real, outside of his one single downside (that is totally workable despite what some people say)

wormwoods got a PRETTY GOOD kit.

and the new perk system only made it better

I just don't think this is necessary, if you dont think photosynthesis is worth it, don't pick it. I'd personally rather they just double the regen speed if it's undertuned, not randomly let wormwood become an expert gatherer with a attack speed increase aswell.

Look, I like the photosynthesis skill, I just think that this could make the skill better (A lot of people said that this skill is not worth it, as a last branch skill, for some reason), also, this could fit very well alongside his increased speed, and for a "end game" environment.

[_zwb]

3 minutes ago, Lossy15 said:

a "end game" environment.

You can bloom quite early on

[Copyafriend]

3 minutes ago, Lossy15 said:

Look, I like the photosynthesis skill, I just think that this could make the skill better (A lot of people said that this skill is not worth it, as a last branch skill, for some reason), also, this could fit very well alongside his increased speed, and for a "end game" environment.

I mean. I agree with you on the points that it would definitely make the skill better, and I also do not think the skill is worth much.

However, gathering isn't really a strength wormwood already has, and increased attack speed is a MASSIVE deal, something no other character has, and would effectively work as a damage multiplier but better.

my conclusion is that your suggestion is very much over the top and grants wormwood skills that he has no access to instead of modifying his existing skills.

The photosynthesis skill is perfect for learning wormwood, but as an experienced player it's just not very good. even at double health over time I probably wouldn't bother because I typically just sleep to heal early game and have better solutions late game.

[Cheggf]

44 minutes ago, _zwb said:

You can bloom quite early on

I was in a game a few hours ago where I joined a server like 1 minute after my friend did and by the time I had picked a character he already found a rotten fish right at the start of day 1 and was blooming.

1 hour ago, Lossy15 said:

As the title says, with the photosynthesis skill enabled, Wormwood could do every action slightly faster when he's bloomed, This would make this skill a lot better in my opinion.

Wormwood's kit is already overloaded, he doesn't need the strongest perk possible (do literally everything faster) on top of a movement speed bonus and a really durable armor that spams AoE damage and infinite living logs that don't need an inventory slot and automatic AoE traps and some of the best sanity management in the game and automatically tending to plants and planting plants anywhere for free (even hundreds or thousands of them) and the like 20 other things he already has. 

[Lossy15]

3 hours ago, Copyafriend said:

However, gathering isn't really a strength wormwood already has, and increased attack speed is a MASSIVE deal, something no other character has, and would effectively work as a damage multiplier but better.

my conclusion is that your suggestion is very much over the top and grants wormwood skills that he has no access to instead of modifying his existing skills.

 

2 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Wormwood's kit is already overloaded, he doesn't need the strongest perk possible (do literally everything faster) on top of a movement speed bonus and a really durable armor that spams AoE damage and infinite living logs that don't need an inventory slot and automatic AoE traps and some of the best sanity management in the game and automatically tending to plants and planting plants anywhere for free (even hundreds or thousands of them) and the like 20 other things he already has. 

Thanks for the feedback guys, i changed my mind now.

But still, I really would like a small buff on his photosynthesis.

[Dragonboooorn]

7 hours ago, Lossy15 said:

As the title says, with the photosynthesis skill enabled, Wormwood could do every action slightly faster when he's bloomed, This would make this skill a lot better in my opinion.

Picking stuff, chopping rocks and stuff? Maybe.

But hurting nature by chopping Wormwoods "friends" faster? Dont really fits the character. I doubt hed be enthusiastic about chopping trees

[Cheggf]

8 hours ago, Lossy15 said:

Thanks for the feedback guys, i changed my mind now.

But still, I really would like a small buff on his photosynthesis.

I agree that Photosynthesis is a weak & bad skill, but I think that's intentional. The Syrup of Ipecac is much more expensive, gives much less manure, and takes way longer to give said manure than traditional means, and Wolfgang's "gym automatically completes itself" perk does just about nothing (that thing is so easy to complete already). They all seem to be perks that are intentionally bad that better players ignore and worse players grab to use as a crutch. In theory the bad players could use this crutch to help them learn the character, but I think these crutches simply discourage learning the character and have people rely on the crutches.

[gamehun20]

9 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

The Syrup of Ipecac is much more expensive, gives much less manure, and takes way longer to give said manure than traditional means

Idk 180 poops from 13 ipecaca in less than half a day doesn't seem that bad

[Lossy15]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

The Syrup of Ipecac is much more expensive, gives much less manure

One red mushroom, one rot and one honey is expensive? You can get 80 poop with only 5 of them

 

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

I agree that Photosynthesis is a weak & bad skill

It's not a bad skill, but it could be better.

[Cheggf]

16 minutes ago, Lossy15 said:

One red mushroom, one rot and one honey is expensive? You can get 80 poop with only 5 of them

13 red mushrooms, 13 rot, 13 honey, and waiting for 3 hours is much more expensive than 4 monster meat (which you could already be wanting to use since it gives pigskin, so it could potentially be effectively completely free), yes. 

[Copyafriend]

13 hours ago, Lossy15 said:

Thanks for the feedback guys, i changed my mind now.

But still, I really would like a small buff on his photosynthesis.

Hey it takes a lot of character to actually change your mind on a subject just because people disagreed with you.

i dont think photosynthesis is or was meant to be a very good skill, it’s probably more like a bonus to help newer wormwoods out

[Lossy15]

31 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

i dont think photosynthesis is or was meant to be a very good skill, it’s probably more like a bonus to help newer wormwoods out

I would agree with you, but the skill is the last one of the blooming branch, taking 31 days to get, it deserves a buff

[Copyafriend]

2 minutes ago, Lossy15 said:

taking 31 days to get, it deserves a buff

Do you mind elaborating on this point? I'm not quite sure what you mean by taking 31 days.

I know it's the last of the blooming branch, but just because it's the last of the skill branch doesn't necessarily mean it should be the most powerful

[Lossy15]

1 hour ago, Copyafriend said:

Do you mind elaborating on this point? I'm not quite sure what you mean by taking 31 days.

To get enough insight points to unlock it

[Jakepeng99]

21 hours ago, Copyafriend said:

I mean I don't think it's necessary.

I'm gonna be real, outside of his one single downside (that is totally workable despite what some people say)

wormwoods got a PRETTY GOOD kit.

and the new perk system only made it better

I just don't think this is necessary, if you dont think photosynthesis is worth it, don't pick it. I'd personally rather they just double the regen speed if it's undertuned, not randomly let wormwood become an expert gatherer with a attack speed increase aswell.

I think the main reason photosynthesis sucks is that most the other bloom skills really suck. For the branch it is competing with (the bramble one) each point you spend on it gives you a big good upside, meanwhile you need to spend at least 3 points on blooming to make a small difference

[Mysterious box]

21 hours ago, Lossy15 said:

Look, I like the photosynthesis skill, I just think that this could make the skill better (A lot of people said that this skill is not worth it, as a last branch skill, for some reason), also, this could fit very well alongside his increased speed, and for a "end game" environment.

Alot of people undervalue skills honestly sure it's not the best thing ever but it's infinite passive healing without needing some special circuit like Wx. I can understand not liking it but passive healing is definitely useful on a character who can't heal super easily because you don't have to worry about minor damage as much in your day to day activities.

4 hours ago, Lossy15 said:

I would agree with you, but the skill is the last one of the blooming branch, taking 31 days to get, it deserves a buff

Takes 31 days to get? You do realize you can force blooming with rotted fish, compost wraps, and growth formulas right?

Edit: didn't see the follow up disregard this part.

[Cheggf]

8 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

I think the main reason photosynthesis sucks is that most the other bloom skills really suck. For the branch it is competing with (the bramble one) each point you spend on it gives you a big good upside, meanwhile you need to spend at least 3 points on blooming to make a small difference

Why is it competing with the bramble branch? You can get both, as you should since they're the two best branches by far.

[somethin]

16 hours ago, Cheggf said:

13 red mushrooms, 13 rot, 13 honey, and waiting for 3 hours is much more expensive than 4 monster meat (which you could already be wanting to use since it gives pigskin, so it could potentially be effectively completely free), yes. 

Well, also have to consider the time you needed to gather the things you have to feed to were pigs too. Sure, the caves have  **** ton of light bulb, but if you have mushroom planters and honey farms it is much, much faster than going down to grab all that light bulb.

Also, haha piggy go poopy diarrhea

[Lossy15]

8 minutes ago, somethin said:

Well, also have to consider the time you needed to gather the things you have to feed to were pigs too. Sure, the caves have  **** ton of light bulb, but if you have mushroom planters and honey farms it is much, much faster than going down to grab all that light bulb.

Also with the mushroom grower skills, it makes the ipecaca syrup even more worth it and less time consuming than going to the cave, wait for the loading screen, and go to the center of the caves to get light bulbs.

[Jakepeng99]

8 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Why is it competing with the bramble branch? You can get both, as you should since they're the two best branches by far.

Most of the time people want alignments, you need to spend 5 points on the left for the summoning so you have less left to choose from. In late game where you would probably want both summoning and the lunar husk perks it is even more an issue. 

 

So, if you have 7 points on the left for carrats and lightbulbs (Much better than bloom skills). If you get both you wont have enough spare for the good stuff

[Cheggf]

9 hours ago, somethin said:

Well, also have to consider the time you needed to gather the things you have to feed to were pigs too.

I am. It doesn't take long to get hundreds of lightbulbs if you're only picking the double & triple plants.

9 hours ago, somethin said:

Sure, the caves have  **** ton of light bulb, but if you have mushroom planters and honey farms it is much, much faster than going down to grab all that light bulb.

You are not considering the time it takes for you to create & use the mushroom planters & honey farm, obtain rot, and wait around for the much much slower ipecac. By the time you run out of manure from the single werepig giving you 200 you no longer have need for manure since you've moved onto better items.

1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Most of the time people want alignments, you need to spend 5 points on the left for the summoning so you have less left to choose from. In late game where you would probably want both summoning and the lunar husk perks it is even more an issue. 

 

So, if you have 7 points on the left for carrats and lightbulbs (Much better than bloom skills). If you get both you wont have enough spare for the good stuff

Blooming 33% faster & 50% longer with the insulation of nearly an eyebrella allowing you to either forgo clothing or stack it with clothing to last an insanely long time are the best perks on his skill tree. If you want to exclusively look at super late worlds the blooming perks are still just as good as they always have been, while the bramble husk skill tree is just affecting a bunch of early game items that you aren't using anymore. Plus, you can just replace the bulbous lightbugs with the Celestial Crown or mushlights anyways, so you don't even need the left side tree. 

[Jandri]

Werepig technique should be nerfed instead of improving the syrup of ipecaca. Werepigs might poop 5 or 6 times, then vomit wet goop and ignore vegetables.