skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

and it uses what?

The den decorating set has five total uses what if each craft uses one of them also as also thinking maybe making it so you can only craft the other two when wearing the (egg sack, sac pack, back sac, care carrier Which ever name sounds best for the baby spider backpack) and remove the den decorating set from the other crafts but you have to replenish it with den Decorating sets after the first 4 crafts also, do you think I should make it so you have to feed the baby spiders me to replenish them or maybe have it drain your hunger to replenish them

[Creatingabe1125]

13 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

The den decorating set has five total uses what if each craft uses one of them also as also thinking maybe making it so you can only craft the other two when wearing the (egg sack, sac pack, back sac, care carrier Which ever name sounds best for the baby spider backpack) and remove the den decorating set from the other crafts but you have to replenish it with den Decorating sets after the first 4 crafts also, do you think I should make it so you have to feed the baby spiders me to replenish them or maybe have it drain your hunger to replenish them

Oh okay.

I assume your talking about the baby spider’s energy running out after staying outside for too long. Feeding them could be a bit tedious but then draining your hunger. Can be bad in some situations and also wouldn’t it be a bit weird for them to be eating Webber’s hunger? Because they’re slurping his hunger away like slurpers.

[Dr.Webber]

21 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I assume you’re talking about the baby spider’s energy running out after staying outside for too long. Feeding them could be a bit tedious but then draining your hunger. Can be bad in some situations and also wouldn’t it be a bit weird for them to be eating Webber’s hunger? Because they’re slurping his hunger away like slurpers.

It just came to me with the eat off of the animals that are distracting and it can be like one health damage or whatever they did in the forge

[Dr.Webber]

I reimagined the corresponding baby spider skin for my hypothetical skin for Webber do you like it :

[NPCMaxwell]

14 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I reimagined the corresponding baby spider skin for my hypothetical skin for Webber do you like it :

They look so cute x3 Especially with the tiny human hands

[Creatingabe1125]

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I reimagined the corresponding baby spider skin for my hypothetical skin for Webber do you like it :

Besides the 4 fingers on each hand it’s okay.

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It just came to me with the eat off of the animals that are distracting and it can be like one health damage or whatever they did in the forge

Oh the distractions wouldn’t do any damage only stopping them from healing or doing other things while not being attacked for a bit.

also after I found out about the new content in the next update I am a bit more open to the spider skills. Baby/spider queens. But the farm skills I still don’t think should be a thing cause of gameplay reasons and lore is still a stretch. But I still think both skills should be reworked. And unless the farming skills give Webber a reason to farm which takes a bit longer rather than to hunt without crossing the op line then I would consider it again. Also personally I don’t like the unnatural spider skills but not considering that I don’t think they would be added for the reasons of Webber wouldn’t be a player in the war between the shadows vs. the moon, and cause it would probably not make enough sense both gameplay and lore wise.

also somewhat random idea, sense Wurt can read books and she is a kid. What if Webber got a skill or base perk about the spider book?

Also I just started wondering how will they show the cave bridges in the animated shorts?

Edited August 24, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Besides the 4 fingers on each hand it’s okay.

What’s wrong with the four fingers?

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

But the farm skills I still don’t think should be a thing cause of gameplay reasons and lore is still a stretch

Why is there a stretch again?

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

And unless the farming skills give Webber a reason to farm which takes a bit longer rather than to hunt without crossing the op line then I would consider it again

Could you give me an idea of what you would consider that or what that would look like or just a rough idea if you don’t know

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Also I just started wondering how will they show the cave bridges in the animated shorts?

I don’t know, but I hope they make so we could use multiple bridges to make it across longer grabs

[Creatingabe1125]

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What’s wrong with the four fingers?

That’s more of a personal preference to me but it wouldn’t matter as much gameplay wise.

 

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Why is there a stretch again?

Because there are parts of the lore we can’t fully confirm yet, including Webber’s connection to farms (At least that I am aware of). Also the only reason for that idea is cause of the short and a few quotes.

I know you’ve said to make Webber a more rounded out character and it’s a general part of the game but adding a skill for those reasons it doesn’t make sense as

first, Webber is not a general nor a farming character.

Second, skill trees are meant to improve the character’s experience by either improving current skills/perks or adding new skills that help them with their current play style.

and third, adding skills to generalize a game play style would make the character’s play style less unique. If Webber became a farmer he would be able to hunt, farm, and gather minons. Which would make Webber’s play style less unique and could cover Webber’s main perk/gimmick of being a spider.

Also I know you did show me quotes but I don’t get how they show a connection with Webber and his dad farming besides the goat ones.

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Could you give me an idea of what you would consider that or what that would look like or just a rough idea if you don’t know

Give Webber perks that would give him a reason to farm maybe goats for new spider crafts. And make perks reasonable for a character who was never designed to farm so that it’s worth farming but not making it a breeze or just requiring enough hard work for an equally good ability/item.

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I don’t know, but I hope they make so we could use multiple bridges to make it across longer grabs

If that was added we could make a direct bridge from the ruins or main caves to the atrium, and if the gap is bigger than 6 tiles then I don’t think there should be a bridge, 4 maybe but 5 is a bit of a stretch both ways.

[NPCMaxwell]

@Creatingabe1125's idea of making goat-recourses necessary for spider crafting items sounds like the most reasonable way to include the webber-can-have-a-farmer-skill-related-to-goats into the game without making it look out of place, indeed.

Random example that came into my mind: electric milk combined with spider gland could be added for a webber exclusive NORMAL healing item improvment to the healing salve, basically an energized healing salve or something. This way could use his skills to also help other characters not just himself and his spiders.

[Creatingabe1125]

What if since Webber can already make cookies, he made cookies and milk, Idk what it would do but it was a random idea. Maybe he could use goat horns to make electric fangs for his spiders or maybe a tool to help work with spiders.

[Dr.Webber]

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Also I know you did show me quotes but I don’t get how they show a connection with Webber and his dad farming besides the goat ones.

The home spun collection shows That he has worked on a garden in the past
 

The only part of the farming skills that isn’t confirmed to be something he that knows is the bug related skills

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Give Webber perks that would give him a reason to farm maybe goats for new spider crafts. And make perks reasonable for a character who was never designed to farm so that it’s worth farming but not making it a breeze or just requiring enough hard work for an equally good ability/item.

That’s a good idea

 

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What if since Webber can already make cookies, he made cookies and milk, Idk what it would do but it was a random idea

I  like it, but there’s a few problems like you said we have no idea what it could do and I’m assuming each cookie would have a different version of this craft that seems like too many crafts to add for one skill  although I guess if it was one craft with one of each of the different cookie types then that work

Edited August 25, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

32 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

The home spun collection shows That he has worked on a garden in the past
 

The only part of the farming skills that isn’t confirmed to be something he that knows is the bug related skills

Maybe I don’t understand but when you showed me the quotes it just described the items and Webber being happy about making a farm is because he is happy doing most things.

37 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I wake up, but there’s a few problems like you said we have no idea what it could do and I’m assuming each cookie would have a different version of this craft that seems like too many crafts to add for one skill  although I guess if it was one craft with one of each of the different cookie types then that work

It was just a random idea that I don’t think about actually being in the skill tree.

[Dr.Webber]

35 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Maybe I don’t understand but when you showed me the quotes it just described the items and Webber being happy about making a farm is because he is happy doing most things

Homespun Seed Pouch
“Sturdily hand-stitched for rambunctious gardeners.”(implies he was a rambunctious gardener)

Homespun Garden Hoe
“It seems to have been left neglected for some time.”(considering it’s part of the homespun collection i’d say this is the hoe he used to use, but since the events of his animated short it’s gone unkept and is losing its integrity)

[Creatingabe1125]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Homespun Seed Pouch
“Sturdily hand-stitched for rambunctious gardeners.”(implies he was a rambunctious gardener)

Homespun Garden Hoe
“It seems to have been left neglected for some time.”(considering it’s part of the homespun collection i’d say this is the hoe he used to use, but since the events of his animated short it’s gone unkept and is losing its integrity)

Are these items connected to Webber?  Also what part of the quotes say they are Webber’s or his father’s stuff. If they are confirmed to be connected with Webber lore wise then I can understand but if not then I don’t.

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, NPCMaxwell said:

@Creatingabe1125's idea of making goat-recourses necessary for spider crafting items sounds like the most reasonable way to include the webber-can-have-a-farmer-skill-related-to-goats into the game without making it look out of place, indeed.

Random example that came into my mind: electric milk combined with spider gland could be added for a webber exclusive NORMAL healing item improvment to the healing salve, basically an energized healing salve or something. This way could use his skills to also help other characters not just himself and his spiders.

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What if since Webber can already make cookies, he made cookies and milk, Idk what it would do but it was a random idea. Maybe he could use goat horns to make electric fangs for his spiders or maybe a tool to help work with spiders.

Can you guys come up with more ideas? Let me know.
 

i’ve came up with a few ideas

Maybe being will grow monster fruit, but I don’t know what that could be other than just a copy of monster meat that couldn’t be used and monster meat crafts

Also came up with an idea of giving the electric milk to spiders to make their attacks cause electric damage instead of normal damage but I don’t like that idea

so as I was altering the skill tree in the notes app I thought about the idea that they could recharge by making you loss slightly more huger while sleeping until they’re recharged but I was thinking sense you brought up the farming tying in Two things thinking either as an alternative way to  recharge  them or as a replacement all together what if you could feed them the electric milk?

6 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Are these items connected to Webber?  Also what part of the quotes say they are Webber’s or his father’s stuff. If they are confirmed to be connected with Webber lore wise then I can understand but if not then I don’t.

They’re the corresponding belongings skins for Webber’s farm spider skin

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

Maybe being will grow monster fruit, but I don’t know what that could be other than just a copy of monster meat that couldn’t be used and monster meat crafts

 

That’s durians. And maybe no new farm crop/resource as there are already stuff you can use like goat milk, goat horns, current fruits and veggies, and other farm produce.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

They’re the corresponding belongings skins for Webber’s farm spider skin

Oh wait Webber had a farm skin. I probably noticed that before but didn’t think about it at all during these 5 pages. The hoe part is a bit debatable but I think I get it now.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

so as I was altering the skill tree in the notes app I thought about the idea that they could recharge by making you loss slightly more huger while sleeping until they’re recharged but I was thinking sense you brought up the farming tying in Two things thinking either as an alternative way to  recharge  them or as a replacement all together what if you could feed them the electric milk?

I suggested electric fangs but for recharging I assume your talk about baby spiders, maybe just heal them using a not so hard to get craft for baby spiders.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

Can you guys come up with more ideas? Let me know.

Silk cream? It would cost 1 milk and 2 silk. It could be used to keep spiders in their dens and befriend 3 spiders.

Edible silk dough. It would cost 4 silk, 1 egg, and 1 milk. It would restore 20-30 sanity, restores some hunger, 0 health, and can be used to make better switcher doodles using that dough and the special item assuming you have unlocked the switcher doodle. And it would encourage up to 2 other spiders to transform as well.

Aggravating plushie. Would cost 1 tomato, 4 silk, and 2 carrots. It would attract spiders to come and attack, it would also distract them from attacking stuff unless provoked and while the plushie is around distracted spiders won’t defend their spider friends.

random ideas.

[Dr.Webber]

13 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

That’s durians

I don’t know Darian could mutate stuff. I knew they were very similar to monster  meat though.

15 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The hoe part is a bit debatable

How so?

16 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

for baby spiders

For as in like give the baby spiders something not so hard to craft in order to recharge them

Or do you mean make another craft that isn’t so hard pacifically for those baby spiders?

24 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Silk cream? It would cost 1 milk and 2 silk. It could be used to keep spiders in their dens and befriend 3 spiders.

What use would keeping them inside  provide 

26 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Edible silk dough. It would cost 4 silk, 1 egg, and 1 milk. It would restore 20-30 sanity, restores some hunger, 0 health, and can be used to make better switcher doodles using that dough and the special item assuming you have unlocked the switcher doodle. And it would encourage up to 2 other spiders to transform as well.

 

Would they all be their own crafts?

[Creatingabe1125]

9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Would they all be their own crafts?

Not directly crafts as that would be a lot but similar to how you put a purple gem on a clock as Wanda but you don’t get the dough back.

9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What use would keeping them inside  provide

Players coming nearby or distracting them. Or maybe lag. They were just random ideas.

9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

For as in like give the baby spiders something not so hard to craft in order to recharge them

this

9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

How so?

you could say it’s the father’s or it’s Webber’s since Webber hasn’t been back for a bit of time. But if they are Webber’s belonging skins then most likely it’s theirs or their father’s. And it says multiple farmers for the seed it pack skin so I am assuming it’s both of their’s or they both have their own. Or you could say that the theme is related but they aren’t actually Webber’s.

9 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I don’t know Darian could mutate stuff. I knew they were very similar to monster  meat though.

Durians are monster foods, I think they can transform wobby and maybe woodie. Not sure about werepigs or other creatures though, probably though as they are monster foods.

[Dr.Webber]

@Creatingabe1125
So all we have left to do now is:
 

Figure out the replacement for the spider hats skills

narrow down the way certain farming, things help spiders

And a few smaller things if I am not forgetting things

[Creatingabe1125]

30 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

@Creatingabe1125
So all we have left to do now is:
 

Figure out the replacement for the spider hats skills

narrow down the way certain farming, things help spiders

And a few smaller things if I am not forgetting things

I offered a spider claw before with being able to craft something to increase spider den storage of spider dens. But if your not adding that then I guess your right.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I offered a spider claw before with being able to craft something to increase spider den storage of spider dens. But if your not adding that then I guess your right.

I’ve got how will it increase the den storage? And I know you mentioned it about replacing the spider hat skill but how will that replace it?

Oh, I also remembered what I forgot which suits the baby spider backpack better

(egg sack, sac pack, back sac, care carrier)

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

I’ve got how will it increase the den storage? And I know you mentioned it about replacing the spider hat skill but how will that replace it?

Oh, I also remembered what I forgot which suits the baby spider backpack better

(egg sack, sac pack, back sac, care carrier)

I suggested a change as the spider queen hat is the head of the spider queen and it would be weird to get a head of your mother.

probably a portable container and maybe a cocoon shaped silk covered container in your inventory.

[Dr.Webber]

23 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I suggested a change as the spider queen hat is the head of the spider queen and it would be weird to get a head of your mother.

probably a portable container and maybe a cocoon shaped silk covered container in your inventory.

Huh, could you please ether reword it or elaborate on that

[Creatingabe1125]

19 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Huh, could you please ether reword it or elaborate on that

A portable container in your inventory similar to the spectacular box or the polar bearger bin, but it would contain baby spiders instead.

[Dr.Webber]

33 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

A portable container in your inventory similar to the spectacular box or the polar bearger bin, but it would contain baby spiders instead.

It would be probably shaped similar to the spectacular box but I was thinking it would take up the body slot is there any reason you were thinking of going that route with the type of container it is

but how is that related to what I was talking about except for the last part, which is when I was asking what the name you think it should have is out of the names given

also, what does it have to do with the queen’s spike and how can the queen’s spike replace the thing that is supposed to give you a variation of the different spider types abilities 

also by the way when I mentioned them dropping their head I meant because they are taking a smaller form and it be sore like  molting but  but they’re getting smaller rather than bigger