Player Choice and the Celestial Portal

[Guille6785]

how do you "optimize" a game that has no end goal besides your own

[Valase]

4 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

how do you "optimize" a game that has no end goal besides your own

You do it with Wheeler!

[abrocator]

I love the character-swap portal. It gives you so much potential and things to do, which is what I like the most about this kind of game. It’s the same reason I loved the RoG+Hamlet+SW world hopping in single player DS.

A character like Warly would be a dud to me in single player since his downsides are so severe (and silly) and his upsides are pretty situational until late game when you have invested a lot into your base setup.

But I wouldn’t mind if they locked the celestial portal behind a moderate challenge. Maybe Bee Queen level. Something like killing CC though would be way over the top though IMO.

[Cruvimaster]

Who plays alone should have less possibility of resources than who plays in a group of 6 people or even more?

If you don't play Winona, you won't be able to use her items, but a group of 6 with 1 Winona would be fine.

More important than the portal is the artificial intelligence of the giants who are trapped in a ridiculous lureplant.

 

[Evelo]

16 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Who plays alone should have less possibility of resources than who plays in a group of 6 people or even more?

Yes. I do think that should be the case. Personally at least.

Require the player to focus more heavily and lean into the unique aspects of their character. The more players you have the less important their uniqueness truly matters in a majority of circumstances. (Wicker is kind of the exception because she can affect the whole world now with her books). You can just slap a boss to death with ease as if there are 6 wilsons or a diverse team. Compared to a solo where yes you can just dodge the same but you can utilize different tools in a characters kit and lean into it more. (Winona catapults, Spiders for webber, merms for wurt, volt-goat jelly with chilly powder for warly, healing strategies for wormwood, etc)

I think more players simplifies the game while solo really puts your skills and character choice to the test. Well until you just swap characters whenever to ignore the downsides of your chosen character.

[Cruvimaster]

DS(T)'s philosophy is "your game your rules".

Players wanting to set rules for other players makes no sense to me.

Soon they will say that Klei should prohibit the use of mods.

The problem is not in your gameplay style, but in wanting others to play like you. That sounds very dictatorial to me.

[Gashzer]

16 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

More important than the portal is the artificial intelligence of the giants who are trapped in a ridiculous lureplant.

 

Truer words have not been spoken!

DST is plagued with bugs that still need fixed. Talking about fixing very old AI pathfinding bugs is a more important discussion than discussing the celestial portal.

[Catteflyterpill]

1 minute ago, Gashzer said:

Truer words have not been spoken!

DST is plagued with bugs that still need fixed. Talking about fixing very old AI pathfinding bugs is a more important discussion than discussing the celestial portal.

If you guys feel like pathfinding needs a fix, that's totally okay. But the "importance" of it doesn't mean we can't bring up the conversation of the Celestial Portal and why it doesn't feel well balanced. 

[Gashzer]

2 minutes ago, Catteflyterpill said:

If you guys feel like pathfinding needs a fix, that's totally okay. But the "importance" of it doesn't mean we can't bring up the conversation of the Celestial Portal and why it doesn't feel well balanced. 

I guess. 

But the celestial portal does feel balanced. Purple gem and moon rock is quite costly in the early game. Unless you are experienced you are not going to get more than 3-4 purple gems max as you need to go to the ruins or kill dfly for more.

[Evelo]

3 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

DS(T)'s philosophy is "your game your rules".

Players wanting to set rules for other players makes no sense to me.

Yea. My game my rules.

I want to set rules for other players in my game.

I would like if others played like I played because I find it the most fun. But I can't control others. Having options in the world settings would remedy this.

"add an option to remove the Florid Postern or the Celestial Portal Craft, or alternatively lock skill tree choice to a per world basis. I feel the former will be more popular among the player base." I even said it in the original post.

[GelatinousCube]

1 hour ago, Evelo said:

But I can't control others

But you want to.